Look who is telling barry how it is now....

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Hmmm... i vaguely remember more then a few members here telling us that after barry was elected, we had a leader that would and is respected by the other world leaders and that we as a nation would be better off for it...he was going to take care of business not as a "rouge" cowboy and with wars, but with his "silver tongue" he was going to "talk" to those leaders that we as a nation had offended and make sure they understood that we knew we were at fault and we would take responcibility for our past actions and they would then be willing to listen abd be open to us as we lowered our position to that of equals to them...well i am pretty sure most have seen how that has turned out...our country is now deemed"weak" and laughed at and figured to be economically worthless....but now we have Iran giving us Ulimatiums.....yeap, all of barrys and hilliarys talking and threats of sanctions have been laughed off and we have been told to kiss off, and if we don't except their plan, forget it all and they will ove closer to the enriched fuel they need for nuclear warheads......yeap ole barry has talked and talked and gained nothing...lol, he is even lossing ground......


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/03/wo.../03tehran.html


Iran Gives West ‘Ultimatum’ on Nuclear Proposal

By MICHAEL SLACKMAN

CAIRO — Iran’s foreign minister warned the West on Saturday that it had one month to accept Iran’s counterproposal to a United Nation’s brokered deal aimed at slowing its nuclear program, or else Iran would begin further enriching its nuclear fuel stockpile on its own.

The comments by the foreign minister, Manouchehr Mottaki, were broadcast on state television and presented as an “ultimatum” to the West just two days after Iran missed a deadline set by the United States and its allies to accept a deal that had been brokered in October in Geneva.

If the deadline is not met, Mr. Mottaki said that Iran will enrich its stockpile of low enriched uranium to 20 percent, though it was unclear if it had the technical ability to accomplish the task. At the 20 percent level, Iran could, in theory, make an extremely crude nuclear weapon. The bigger threat would be that Iran’s enrichment could quickly accelerate from there to the much higher grade of fuel typically used in modern nuclear warheads.

Analysts on Saturday said Mr. Mottaki’s harsh tone might represent an effort by Iran’s leaders, including President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, to push a confrontation with the West to divert public attention from political and social troubles at home. The nuclear program has widespread support in Iran as a symbol of national pride.

Mr. Mottaki did not say exactly the terms of Iran’s counter offer, but he has said in the past that Iran would accept a simultaneous uranium swap either on its own territory or in Turkey. Those terms had already been rejected by the West, because they would not delay Iran’s ability to produce a weapon, if it chose to do so.

Under the tentative deal with the West, Iran would ship much of its low-enriched uranium out of the country where it would be further enriched, but turned into a form that would be difficult to use for weapons. One important part of the deal, however, is that Iran would be without much of its nuclear fuel for a time, giving the West about a year to try to negotiate a more permanent solution on Iran’s program.

Iran has said its nuclear program is for energy generation, but the United States and many other countries doubt that.

Tehran has already made it clear that it would not abide by the earlier tentative agreement with the West. The Obama administration has responded by indicating that it would seek to impose harsh financial sanctions on Iran, perhaps targeting specific government officials or institutions to avoid imposing hardship on the general public. It is not clear whether China and Russia, which have resisted sanctions in the past, would go along.

Iran’s defiant tone coincides with a political crisis that has smoldered since the contested presidential election in June. At least eight people were killed, and hundreds arrested, during protests in cities around the nation last Sunday.

“I am sure that, in light of the recent events much more than in the past, the Revolutionary Guards and Ahmadinejad would love the new heightened tension with the U.S. and the West,” said a Iranian expert in Washington who asked not to be identified because he still does work in Iran.

He and other experts said that harsh sanctions over the nuclear program might actually be welcomed by some of Iran’s leaders as a devise to help restore national unity. But they added that given the repressive response to the protests and political opposition, it was not at all clear that such a tactic would work.

Iranian officials continued to move aggressively against those who participated in the protests. The semiofficial ILNA news agency reported that seven people arrested last Sunday would be put on trial beginning Tuesday on charges of “desecrating the values of the Islamic Revolution.”

The newspaper Etemad also reported that more allies of Mehdi Karroubi, the cleric and opposition leader, have been arrested. Ali Hekmat, chief editor of the reformist newspaper Khordad, was arrested along with his daughter Mahsa Hekmat, who writes for Etemad. Mohammad-Reza Zahedi, editor of the reformist newspaper Arya, has also been arrested, as has Bahareh Hedayat, a top member of a reformist student organization.

But as officials have seen time and again since June, the arrests and threats have failed to bring about obedience. In Tehran, students from the Amir Kabir University announced that they would not take part in classes or exams until the release of four classmates detained during street protests last Sunday.

“I expect the regime to try to further intimidate the people,” said Abbas Milani, a sharp critic of the government of Iran who is director of Iranian studies at Stanford University. “If the past is any measure, they will also try to divert attention by creating another international crisis — a new radical gesture of confrontation or even conciliation.”
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
The last time I looked Israel is in the middle east and not the west. They have said that if they confirm that Iran has build a nuke, they will not hesitate taking them out with everything they have. I don't think that Iran has made the threat to Israel but instead playing a game with us to get us to move.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Bout time someone told the west to butt out...who the heck do the west think they are...ruler of the world and a dictator of world policy?

That said, I don't care for the idea of an unsettled country having nukes BUT I am a supporter of sovereign countries advancing in technology and life style....without western intervention.
 
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Poorboy

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Barry will Cower to Iran because he is Totally Incompetent and Doesn't know what he is Doing and when Push comes to Shove then he will Blame His Minions so he will Still Look Good to the Sheeple!! He Really Needs To Go, Just That Simple!
I Honestly Feel that "IF" Iran Pushes it with the Enrichment Program then Israel will Get Involved and Turn Iran Into Glass, Which I Hope Doesn't Happen!
 

OntarioVanMan

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I don't think Israel will nuke Iran but I can see heavy bombing or at least a suspicious industrial accident that blows it all up...
 

greg334

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I don't think Israel will nuke Iran but I can see heavy bombing or at least a suspicious industrial accident that blows it all up...

I do, it is a war between religions and it is a war to the death. They will use what ever is needed to get the job done and until we realize that we are only a small part of the issue, we will continue to think we can solve the problems of the middle east. Obama has already made a mess of things with his SoS.

Iraq was a good start to change things there but now there is a question whether or not that Iraq will side with Iran over Israel and the US.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
You cannot hide from this or ignore it OVM. They are out to kill you and your family. It is not the fault of our policy. They are just nasty, evil people who will stop at nothing to win this thing. Get used to that and it will be much easier for you to understand. It is going to come down to, and very soon, kill or be killed. Take your pick. Just don't drag me and mine down if you choose to be killed. I choose to do the killing if need be. They started it, I finish it.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
That is not exactly what I meant..LOS...ummm

Say if S.Africa wanted N. power...would we tell them no? And what or under what authority do we(the west) do this...You believe in sovereignty obviously.

Do they not have a right to self determination as we(west) have?
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Seems to me we did much to bring down that bunch in S. Africa. Too bad that scumbag commie took it over. He is no better than the scum he replaced.

We have been trying dismantle nukes world wide, including ours. To allow Iran, the Talliban and other scum like that will not only derail that effort but will start a nuke war. There is no doubt about that. At least from a really bad intell agents view. :rolleyes:
 

Pilgrim

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Retired Expediter
Bout time someone told the west to butt out...who the heck do the west think they are...ruler of the world and a dictator of world policy?

That said, I don't care for the idea of an unsettled country having nukes BUT I am a supporter of sovereign countries advancing in technology and life style....without western intervention.

We have to consider the source; Iran is the primary sponsor of terrorism in the world. They are exporting aid to terrorists or setting up proxies in every trouble spot that exists. They have clearly stated their anti-Western sentiments and their intention to wipe out Israel. With those positions in mind, to continue to allow them to develop nuclear armament capability would be repeating the same mistake that France and England made when they allowed Hitler to re-arm Germany in direct violation of the terms established in the Treaty of Versailles.

The Iranians now see Obama as a weak and naive figurehead, much as the Nazis regarded Neville Chamberlain in the 1930s. The similarities between the prelude to WW2 and the recent developments with Iran are startling, to say the least.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Say if S.Africa wanted N. power...would we tell them no?

And what or under what authority do we(the west) do this

Yes we should.

We can tell them under the same authority that we used to meddle in their internal affairs. We as a country decided to take sides, we sided with and promoted a terrorist as a man of peace who took part in the same style of killing as the terrorists from Palestine took part of under Arafat. What was the difference between the mining of roads and killing of women and children whether is it in Israel and South Africa?

We refused to allow Arafat a visa to travel to the UN while we allowed Mandela have open access to the country - a terrorist is a terrorist regardless who it is and what 'fight' they are involved in.
 

hdxpedx

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Fleet Owner
Ex-spy chief says Iran government about to collapse

A former high-ranking intelligence official in Iran has called for his country to form better relations with the United States and Israel and says the government of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is on the verge of collapse.

Q: In your opinion, do sanctions imposed against Iran by western nations have any effect? Do you agree with sanctions?

A: I disagree with the sanctions because they put more pressure on the people than the government. I have a message to President Obama: Instead of imposing sanctions, you should give more support to the opposition groups. The sanctions don't work. The government uses sanctions as an excuse to put more pressure on the people.

boy barry-- he's talking to you..
 

OntarioVanMan

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No matter how it is done the people will pay..it is a case of just how much?

Cut off their money flow...don't buy their oil...Hopefully the "people" will get angry with those in charge and set-off an over throw...
It is just like here..the people have to regain the control of government.

Next concern...will a new government be any easier?
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Yes we should. We can tell them under the same authority that we used to meddle in their internal affairs.
...... and yet express righteous indignation that anyone should attempt to meddle in ours ..... :rolleyes:

What was the difference between the mining of roads and killing of women and children whether is it in Israel and South Africa?
Or say leaving somewhere between 9 to 27 million unexploded cluster munitions lying all over the ground in Southeast Asia ?

Or perhaps the 20 million cluster munitions dropped on Iraq, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia ?

Oh wait - we're not supposed to talk about that .... :rolleyes:

a terrorist is a terrorist regardless who it is and what 'fight' they are involved in.
Indeed, that's certainly true ... however, one ought be a little bit careful in making such statements quite so glibly and frivolously ..... lest the premise be applied to those making the statements themselves ...... :rolleyes:
 
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chefdennis

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Rlent worth:

Or perhaps the 20 million cluster munitions dropped on Iraq, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia ?

Oh wait - we're not supposed to talk about that ....


Sure we could talk about it...you have any idea what would happen if we hit that same places again but this time carpet bomb them!?!? Those same unexploded munitions and the new would create a nice fire and would turn the sand to glass.....works for me!!!:D
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
If we turned all that sand into glass it would reflect the sun's heat back out into space and counter-act global warming!! That should be a real priority as warm as this winter has been so far!!
:rolleyes: Pretty cold considering it is an El Nino year.
 
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