I don't get all the "but what about xxxxxx " that goes on in these forums rather than judging dirtbags and miscreants on their own merits.
It seems they are over due for a Hunker.
Little Hitlers on parade in Ohio
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It seems they are over due for a Hunker.
It seems they are over due for a Hunker.
It does seem that many in here have NEVER hunkered around a bonfire to see how conversations ebb and flow in their natural environment. Can you imagine just how boring a hunker it would be is some in here attended?
The press is only out for ratings and advertising sales, not the truth. What else do you expect?
I would bet most of the petty differences would be disappear and everybody would realize how much they have in commom.
In some cases, yes, in others, they would want to control the size of the fire, AND, cut down on the size of the huge chunks of red meat!
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Wow, but someone must have had to much coffee today, waaaaaaaaaaaaaay out there boys and girls. wayyyy to much coffee, IMHO
I'm assuming you're talking about me. Well, I don't drink coffee; and I had a good hunker last night with the wife, kids, Styx, and Yes. It's just that I find it a little insulting that a bad cop can be compared to a bad manicurist. It just ain't happnin.
But, as you can see by my avatar, I'm a pretty laid back dude.
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Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
I'm jealous!
I'll tell you what... Yes wore me out with their music, physically and mentally, to the point where I thought I just ran a marathon! GREAT STUFF!!! Steve Howe's solos were 10 minutes of ear candy.
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
One question routinely asked of potential jurors is if they will give a cop's testimony greater weight than that of another citizen, to automatically assume the cop is telling the truth. If they say no, buh-bye! So juries are routinely stacked with jurors who will give the government's case, through the cop, preference.
That's got to stop, but while it exists, it's just one more reason for cops to be held to a higher standard.
Dakota
Veteran Expediter
I'll tell you what... Yes wore me out with their music, physically and mentally, to the point where I thought I just ran a marathon! GREAT STUFF!!! Steve Howe's solos were 10 minutes of ear candy.
Who is yes and the styx?
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Yes - Roundabout‏ - YouTube
Styx - Styx - Man In The Wilderness‏ - YouTube
Sorry for derailing the thread.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Another stellar example of the fine Canton Police force lest anyone forget:
Bobby Cutts Jr. Appeals Murder Conviction
While it doesn't rise to the level of the incident in the OP, my own little experience with the corrupt law enforcement officers in the area happened just one community over (more or less), in Jackson Township, Ohio.
It started during a response to an vehicle accident I was involved in, where the recently divorced, fat middle-aged donut-eater responded to the scene. The other party was 17, female, and very attractive.
I am not.
Apparently Donut had high hopes.
While there, Officer Donut failed to document the scene with his dashcam, in-car audio recorder, or still camera ... effectively covering his tracks. He also informed me that driving left of center of a solid double yellow line (something the other party had done, and admitted to him) was not illegal in the State of Ohio ..... (it is)
I was cited for assured clear distance (somewhat surprising - given that my car was essentially dead even with hers, and she was turning into my vehicle, at the time of impact) ...... she was not cited for anything (big surprise there)
I choose to fight it and take it to trial.
The local prosecuting attorney (in Massillon) had to call in and appoint a "special prosecutor" from the City of Canton ....... because the local prosecuting attorney had been retained by the other party's family in the event of a possible civil suit (which never happened) .... can we all say blatant conflict of interest ?
Prior to the trial when I initially contacted Jackson Township PD about the conduct of Officer Donut at the scene, I talked to Donut's shift super (Sgt) who seemed a decent guy and was sympathetic ..... he basically came right out and said Officer Donut was a screwup .... nothing he could do though.
I then got shuffled to another, more senior officer (Lt) who was going to "investigate" the matter (which was essentially a blatant lie) .... he got me to write everything up so he could "investigate" ....
What he actually did was feed my info to Donut, so that Donut could attempt to refute the issues I raised. When Donut walked into court he had a complete copy of my statement to the Lt in his hands.
Officer Donut-hole went on to repeatedly perjure himself on the stand.
He had previously been covered in the local media for excessive use of force and alleged civil rights violations, and was investigated by the DOJ Civil Rights Division and FBI (cleared, possibly wrongly) His ex-wife was quoted in the Canton Repository as saying family members were in utter terror of the guy.
Knowing him to be the immoral, lying sack of crap that he is, none of it surprises me.
Moral of the story is this:
Failure by LEO's to fully police their own results injustice perpetrated on the very citizenry they are sworn to serve ....which essentially makes LEO's the enemy. Citizen's should be allies of LEO's ....
In my own case I will never, ever trust anyone in law enforcement, or the criminal justice system, to do the right thing again.
Bobby Cutts Jr. Appeals Murder Conviction
While it doesn't rise to the level of the incident in the OP, my own little experience with the corrupt law enforcement officers in the area happened just one community over (more or less), in Jackson Township, Ohio.
It started during a response to an vehicle accident I was involved in, where the recently divorced, fat middle-aged donut-eater responded to the scene. The other party was 17, female, and very attractive.
I am not.
Apparently Donut had high hopes.
While there, Officer Donut failed to document the scene with his dashcam, in-car audio recorder, or still camera ... effectively covering his tracks. He also informed me that driving left of center of a solid double yellow line (something the other party had done, and admitted to him) was not illegal in the State of Ohio ..... (it is)
I was cited for assured clear distance (somewhat surprising - given that my car was essentially dead even with hers, and she was turning into my vehicle, at the time of impact) ...... she was not cited for anything (big surprise there)
I choose to fight it and take it to trial.
The local prosecuting attorney (in Massillon) had to call in and appoint a "special prosecutor" from the City of Canton ....... because the local prosecuting attorney had been retained by the other party's family in the event of a possible civil suit (which never happened) .... can we all say blatant conflict of interest ?
Prior to the trial when I initially contacted Jackson Township PD about the conduct of Officer Donut at the scene, I talked to Donut's shift super (Sgt) who seemed a decent guy and was sympathetic ..... he basically came right out and said Officer Donut was a screwup .... nothing he could do though.
I then got shuffled to another, more senior officer (Lt) who was going to "investigate" the matter (which was essentially a blatant lie) .... he got me to write everything up so he could "investigate" ....
What he actually did was feed my info to Donut, so that Donut could attempt to refute the issues I raised. When Donut walked into court he had a complete copy of my statement to the Lt in his hands.
Officer Donut-hole went on to repeatedly perjure himself on the stand.
He had previously been covered in the local media for excessive use of force and alleged civil rights violations, and was investigated by the DOJ Civil Rights Division and FBI (cleared, possibly wrongly) His ex-wife was quoted in the Canton Repository as saying family members were in utter terror of the guy.
Knowing him to be the immoral, lying sack of crap that he is, none of it surprises me.
Moral of the story is this:
Failure by LEO's to fully police their own results injustice perpetrated on the very citizenry they are sworn to serve ....which essentially makes LEO's the enemy. Citizen's should be allies of LEO's ....
In my own case I will never, ever trust anyone in law enforcement, or the criminal justice system, to do the right thing again.
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
As I've said... Our problems come from the fact that the police police the police, judges police judges, and politicians police politicians. There is very little accountability.
Actually i had a good encounter with a cop the other day im on time off going to the va for some app. And a cop pulled up next to me going about 30 mphn comin to a lite he bumps the siren and motions to roll down window and he thanks me for doing what i did in vietnam he seen the hat in the rear window we were about 6 miles to the va , tells me to fall in behind him and escorts me to the va hospital lites and all , this is the first time anyone has said thanks for being a vet made me feel good,thanks to all are veterans.
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
A big improvement would be to abolish the municipal police model and replace every police department with sheriff's departments run by elected sheriffs. That's not a complete fix, seeing as another wall has to be erected between all local law enforcement and Washington, but it would be a big step towards fixing things.
Another would be requiring every cop to automatically face a recall election, as it were. Every election day, the issue would appear on the ballot: "Shall Deputy Joe Smith, badge number xxxx, be retained as a deputy sheriff?" Deputies who garner a rep for lying and brutality will find it hard to keep a job.
I've heard tell of a federal database of individuals who, because of their actions, are permanently disqualified from being a cop anywhere in the U.S. I don't know if that's true, but if it is, it needs to be expanded. The cop on the video is so prime example of someone who should never be a chip anywhere, anytime. No retraining, no counseling, no anger management. And the cop in Oklahoma who choked the paramedic can join him on it. The second cop on the Canton video should be fired for standing by while the prime jackball abused his employer, the citizen.
Until cops are held accountable for their actions, this type of thing is going to keep happening.
Actually i had a good encounter with a cop the other day im on time off going to the va for some app. And a cop pulled up next to me going about 30 mphn comin to a lite he bumps the siren and motions to roll down window and he thanks me for doing what i did in vietnam he seen the hat in the rear window we were about 6 miles to the va , tells me to fall in behind him and escorts me to the va hospital lites and all , this is the first time anyone has said thanks for being a vet made me feel good,thanks to all are veterans.
This will be hard to say without coming off like a **** but although it was a nice gesture on his part, it was also totally unnecessary (especially the use of lights). It kind of makes the OP's point about having that power and using it. Why not just thank you like he did and carry on?
It is an American thing Scott....The returning troops back then were spit on, protested against and well felt hated...
Even to this day some supporters will go out of thier way to say thanks to the point of what this cop did...
The Vets never really got thier real due...which was a shame...
I know all about the Vietnam war and how veterans were treated. My point is he did the right thing by thanking him for his service, but instead used that power he had to light up the christmas tree to do the escort thing. And to the person who posted that I don't want you to take that personally, it isn't intended that way at all, but rather to comment on how some LEO's use (and possibly abuse) their powers.
Yes, it was overkill but a nice touch none the less.....how many times do we hear the term...
Descretion of the officer?...Waaaay too often...