Is a van a CMV

dancorn

Veteran Expediter
The Blue Ridge Parkway, the Natchez Trace, the Skyline Drive and many other roads are posted "No Commercial Vehicles". Many weigh stations post signs stating "All CMV's Must Stop".

Is a van weighing under 10,000 pounds but with DOT numbers and signage on the side a "Commercial Vehicle"?
 

redytrk

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
The Blue Ridge Parkway, the Natchez Trace, the Skyline Drive and many other roads are posted "No Commercial Vehicles". Many weigh stations post signs stating "All CMV's Must Stop".

Is a van weighing under 10,000 pounds but with DOT numbers and signage on the side a "Commercial Vehicle"?

Only the people who wrote the law know for sure. Vague signs like this drive me up the wall. For instance what does "No Trucks" mean. A 1/2 ton Toyota is a "Truck".
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
The Blue Ridge Parkway, the Natchez Trace, the Skyline Drive and many other roads are posted "No Commercial Vehicles". Many weigh stations post signs stating "All CMV's Must Stop".

Is a van weighing under 10,000 pounds but with DOT numbers and signage on the side a "Commercial Vehicle"?
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Turtle seems to have a handle on this issue, so once he posts, the fur should be flying soon afterward.


 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Commercial motor vehicle (CMV) means a motor vehicle or combination of motor vehicles used in commerce to transport passengers or property if the motor vehicle—
(a) Has a gross combination weight rating of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds); or
(b) Has a gross vehicle weight rating of 11,794 or more kilograms (26,001 pounds or more); or
(c) Is designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver; or
(d) Is of any size and is used in the transportation of hazardous materials as defined in this section.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
What the DOT means by 'commercial vehicle' and what some other entities mean isn't always the same: I once got busted for driving a cargo van [no hazmat, but carrier decals] near Gatlinburg. Didn't get a ticket, but got told to get my commercial butt off that road. Which, in Gatlinburg, I found pretty ironic, lol.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
my commercial butt

Hmmm.. not the adjective I'd ever have thought appropriate. :eek: :D

Oh, in answer to the question I believe it is technically only a CMV when hauling hazmat and therefore required to log but as already mentioned it's whatever the blue light brigade say it is whether correct or incorrect.
 
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cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Was just quoting from memory, but now you mention it, that did sound rather harsh...:eek:
There's a nice road through the Metroparks [aka Emerald Necklace] system in northern Ohio that I always liked to drive: shady in summer, gorgeous in spring & fall, first to get plowed in winter, and they don't allow any 'commercial' [meaning advertising] vehicles either.
 

BillChaffey

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Navy
I believe it varies from State to State. In Ct. you can register a pick up or Van as a regular vehicle, or a combonation vehicle or a commercial vehicle. If it's a combo you can drive on the Merrit Parkway if it's commercial your not supposed to. In New Jersey I have been kicked off the Garden State with combo plates on a F 250 while buses & large trucks went flying by.
 

Crazynuff

Veteran Expediter
Back in the 70's when they had gas rationing in New England a lot of people bought pickups because they were registered as commercial vehicles and exempt from rationing .
 

panthercub

Seasoned Expediter
Catch-22.

Some places will tell you you're a commercial vehicle because you have signage on your van, so obviously it isn't your "personal" vehicle. Then someone at the next scale will tell you to "get your puny little van off my scale". I always felt I could get in more trouble for not stopping than for stopping, so, I stopped.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
There's a difference between a "Commercial Motor Vehicle" and a "Commercial Vehicle". They are easily confused because common sense would tell you they are the same. But the DOT is not one to have common sense. A "Commercial Motor Vehicle" has special meaning for the regulation of heavy and dangerous vehicles, as Moot shows with the DOT's regs. Heavy or HAZMAT, or carrying enough passengers and you're a "Commercial Motor Vehicle". The DOT and the FMCSA is all about the safety of the public and the environment.

Not all "Commercial Vehicles" are "Commercial Motor Vehicles", but all "Commercial Motor Vehicles" are "Commercial Vehicles".

A "Commercial Vehicle", with few exceptions, has a meaning that is dealt with at the state and local level, generally starting with license plates. Generally speaking, any vehicle used in commerce, is a "Commercial Vehicle". A cargo van with no lettering whatsoever, but with commercial plates, needs to stay off the Natchez Trace and the other places where it says "No Commercial Vehicles". A plumber's van, a floral delivery van, a pickup truck with commercial plates because the owner had the vehicle registered to his business, these are all "Commercial Vehicles". Any vehicle with commercial plates, or even one with non-commercial plates but has the lettering of a business ("Bubba's Audio and Annoying Anti-Theft Alarms" on a Camry) are considered "Commercial Vehicles" in most localities.
 

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
cargo vans are under 10k lbs, no dot crap applies. PS- I run for 2 companies,,use magnetic signs,,usually I put them on at the point of delivery, blend in, look like a tourist on vacation, works better that way and I'm a happy camper. Putting decals or painted signs on ur vehicle makes u look like a target in my opinion and could open up a big can of worms.:D Its time for a nap............................
 

letzrockexpress

Veteran Expediter
Last friday night I was pulled over in my van by the NYPD on my way across the Goerge Washington Bridge. I was told I WAS a commercial vehicle and needed to go over the top level where the big trucks go, not the bottom where the cars go.

Several months ago I travelled the Natchez Parkway. Drove nearly 100 miles, passed 2 or 3 cops, and did not get a second glance..go figure.
 

la90043

Expert Expediter
The vehicle is for higher, so its commercial of course. AS FOR GOING THROUGH TRUCK SCALES IF YOU'RE OVER 10,000 LBS GVW YOU PULL IN. And though you are under 10,000 lbs gvw..... U.S.D.O.T. rules do certainly apply.

the blue ridge parkway, the natchez trace, the skyline drive and many other roads are posted "no commercial vehicles". Many weigh stations post signs stating "all cmv's must stop".

Is a van weighing under 10,000 pounds but with dot numbers and signage on the side a "commercial vehicle"?
 
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Falligator

Expert Expediter
What the DOT means by 'commercial vehicle' and what some other entities mean isn't always the same: I once got busted for driving a cargo van [no hazmat, but carrier decals] near Gatlinburg. Didn't get a ticket, but got told to get my commercial butt off that road. Which, in Gatlinburg, I found pretty ironic, lol.
Once apon a time when I was new to expediting I took that road through the mountains and made it all the way through had a delivery in N.C....I'll never take that road again. It's US 441 says no commercial vehicles. Luckily I took it at night. Ever since then I've just gone 26 to 74. A little less treacherous.
 
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