Iranian protests continue to build

OntarioVanMan

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I seen an article that exports are UP to Iran since Obama took power...interesting....

Greg you and your Arab friends are full of BS!!! You believe them because it suits your political beliefs...
 

layoutshooter

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I seen an article that exports are UP to Iran since Obama took power...interesting....

Greg you and your Arab friends are full of BS!!! You believe them because it suits your political beliefs...

Yeah, all the guys I know are wrong too and my private sorces. No one is getting killed in the streets in Iran either, it is such a wonder utopia!! There also has not been a major INCREASE in bombings/kidnappings and murders in Iraq in the last 3 months either. Everything is now just "Hunky Dorry" now that we have a new lord and master to take care of our every need. The world's needs too!! What amazing power! The only thing Bush could do was create hurricanes!! :rolleyes:
 

OntarioVanMan

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Yeah, all the guys I know are wrong too and my private sorces. No one is getting killed in the streets in Iran either, it is such a wonder utopia!! There also has not been a major INCREASE in bombings/kidnappings and murders in Iraq in the last 3 months either. Everything is now just "Hunky Dorry" now that we have a new lord and master to take care of our every need. The world's needs too!! What amazing power! The only thing Bush could do was create hurricanes!! :rolleyes:

I did not mean like that Joe...

Not every Arab wants us dead either...yeah, yeah, yeah, I know Islam is out for world domination...but so are we...it'll always be a conflict...
 

layoutshooter

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I did not mean like that Joe...

Not every Arab wants us dead either...yeah, yeah, yeah, I know Islam is out for world domination...but so are we...it'll always be a conflict...


I know, I was just raggiin. I am well aware that not all Arabs or muslims want us dead. None of the ones I know do. It does NOT have to be a never ending conflict either. Germany was a problem TWICE last century but I don't believe that will happen again. I am fairly certain that Japan will remain cool. Much of the world has settled down. There are a few "biggies" that need to join the rest of us. Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Syria etc. They want to spread their hate and garbage just as they did in the '60's. While I agree that we might not have all the answers I don't see us running around trying to enslave large populations. We did NOT after WWI or WWII. We won't now. Remember, it was those "other guys" that murdered over 100 million, not us.
 

OntarioVanMan

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The NK thing is like an annoying flea. or cold that won't go away..If he keeps teasing the big dog they are going to get bit sooner or later...may not be us...prolly Israel with western backing..Israel doesn't really care what the world thinks...threats are taken care of first and foremost.
 

layoutshooter

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The NK thing is like an annoying flea. or cold that won't go away..If he keeps teasing the big dog they are going to get bit sooner or later...may not be us...prolly Israel with western backing..Israel doesn't really care what the world thinks...threats are taken care of first and foremost.

Israel has that part right. Deal with it and the heck with everyone else.

NK is a threat in mulitiple ways. Not only are they working on delivery systems for their nukes, bad enough, but they can sell those weapons or nuke waste to terrorists that in turn will do us harm. There is only ONE sure way to deal with threats and that is head on. It did us no good in the 1930's when we tried to stay out of "Europes" problems. Ever wonder if we had a VERY strong military in 1935 and positioned it in France and England if WWII might not have happended? It worked with Russia. They were forced to contain most of their murders in Eastern Europe and SE Asia. Isolationism does not work.
 

tallcal101

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Excellent post Layout,it's not 100% either way,and never will be.Middle ground is the best we can hope for.A simple common thread that can be used to close the gap.It's not allot different in Northern Ireland where they seem to have come to understand that killing begets killing.Children follow the teachings of hatred and the die is cast for another generation of terrorists, killing,hate and streets running red.Percieved demons come in every color,race and religion. British,Suni,Palistinian Jewish on and on.If Obama can make a 10% positive infuence that's something,a step in the right direction. How is that a bad thing? It's something.He was elected to do something, and unlike some one else,he's full filling that part of his mandate.He may fail,there's is no assurance he won't.But he's stirring it up,and young people worldwide seem to have some hope.I know it sounds like drivel,I get it.I know that the detractors do not see it the same way. I just suggest that 10% is 100% more then someone else did,or was capable of doing,to bring peace through understanding and tolorance.

There are plenty of deposed henchmen from the Shaws criminal government running around the Bay Area.They flaunt their stolen treasure. Most of it is from last minute looting of their country before the revolution forced them into exile. Very few people around here listen to their rantings and ravings. Greg,I'm sure your breakfast buddies love to give you the Shaws party line.I just can't believe you eat it up,then regurgitate it as sources material for your position on the Middle East.Consider the sources.
 
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layoutshooter

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Excellent post Layout,it's not 100% either way,and never will be.Middle ground is the best we can hope for.A simple common thread that can be used close the gap ,in baby steps.It's not allot different in Northern Ireland. A common thread that killing begets killing.Children follow the lead, and the die is cast for another generation of terrorists and killing and hate and resentmant.Percieved demons come in every color,race and religion.

There are plenty of deposed henchmen from the Shaws criminal government running around the Bay Area.They flaunt their stolen treasure. Most of it is from last minute looting before the revolution forced them into exile. Very few people around here listen to their rantings and ravings. Greg,I'm sure your breakfast buddies love to give you the Shaws party line.I just can't believe you eat it up,then regurgitate it as sources material for your position on the Middle East.

I knew many people that knew the Shaw. The only ones that did not like him were those who are now in power in Iran. I had many friends who played golf with him. He liked "normal" people and would often forgo the trappings of power to hang out with "Little People". I suspose you think that what is going on in Iran is good? Just wait, it will get worse. The people there are doomed until they get rid of that mess they have and join the modern world. MANY MANY will die over the next few months or yreas.
 

hdxpedx

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FARHOOD would differ from code pink's SHAW remark-- His family was MURDERED by THIS GROUP he SUPPORT'S!! Back to EARTH- why can't the neighboring countries make a supply move, since YELLOW FINN refuses?? ALLOW it YELLOW FINN obummer, QUIT MAKING EXCUSES ABOUT OUR INVOLVEMENT! IT'S OUR FUTURE WAR --YELLOW FINN!! BUSH/CHENEY ARE high 5-ing- YOU KNOW IT!!
 

tallcal101

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The grey beards are not the answer.However,keep in mind that when the Shaw tossed out the Ayatolla ,he really ****ed off the mass's. Iran is one of the cradels of Islam.The world was also a very different place in the late 60's and seventies in Islamic countries.Religion was life blood. Even the young put religion above all else.A much different world then today,paticularly for young people and their knowledge of how things work globaly.

The Shaw was an American puppet,everyone knows that. He may have had golf buddies that loved him,I know a few of them also.They live in mansions in Atherton and Woodside. Their fortunes are blood money that was stolen. They were typical fat cats that ruled with iron fists and gave not one rats *** about the people.It was all lip service to keep thing cozy with the yanks.They opereated death squads and terrorized any oposition. It's all well documented Layout.It was a scumbag regeim. They get no points for their sypathetic approach to human rights or personal freedom. Unless of course you pledged aligence to the Shaw. No different then Marcos,Pinoget ,Saddam etc etc,all stamped with the approval of the CIA. Ruthless cowards who saw it our way and treated their people like dogs while they plundered the wealth.

The new generation have as much distrust in the leadership as the fundimentalists had with the Shaws thugs.It's a 180. Not a 360, as I truly believe information sharing between young people worldwide is the best chance for world peace, Nothing we say here will change a thing, as we are a bunch of oldish men and women completly out of touch.Just ask my 30 something kids !!My Fathers day card from my know it all daughter states it clearly.
It's Lucy proclaiming "My Father and I have the perfect father daughter relationshp".
Inside it reads: "He's my Father and I'm perfect".

They are proclaiming their thirst for freedom in the streets of Tehran.It's more an independance demonstration at this point then a recount issue. I'm not comparing my antics in the sixties other then to say it's a movment of the young.The grey beards are now in the spotlight,the world is watching,and the smell of change is in the air. They can slaughter thousands if they choose,but they may have to slaughter hundreds of thousands to make their point. They misjudged what each vote meant to each citizen,a fatal short coming in my opinion.The cow is out of the barn,it may be too late to put it back in.
 
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layoutshooter

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The grey beards are not the answer.However,keep in mind that when the Shaw tossed out the Ayatolla ,he really ****ed off the mass's. Iran is one of the cradels of Islam.The world was also a very different place in the late 60's and seventies in Islamic countries.Religion was life blood. Even the young put religion above all else.A much different world then today.paticularly for young people and their knowledge of how things work globaly.

The Shaw was an American puppet,everyone knows that. He may have had golf buddies that loved him,I know a few of them also.The live in mansions in Atherton and Woodside. Their fortunes are blood money that was stolen. They were typical fat cats that ruled with iron fists and gave not one rats *** ab0ut the prople.It was all lip service to keep thing cozy with the yanks.They opereate death squads and terrorized any oposition. It's all well documented Layout.It was a scumbag regiem. They get no points for their sypathetic approach to human rights or personal freedeom. Unless of course you pledged aligence to the Shaw. No different then Marcos,Pinoget ,Saddam etc etc,all stamped with the approval of the CIA. Ruthless cowards who saw it our way and treated their people like dogs while they plundered the wealth.

The new generation have as much distrust in the leadership as the fundimentalists had with the Shaws thugs.It's a 180. Not a 360, as I truly believe information sharing between young people worldwide is the best chance for world peace, Nothing we say here will change a thing, as we are a bunch of oldish men and women completly out of touch.Just ask my 30 something kids !!My Fathers day card from my know it all daughter states it clearly.
It's Lucy proclaiming "My Father an I have the perfect father daughter relationshp".
Inside it reads: "He's my Father and I'm perfect".

They are proclaiming their thirst for freedom in the streets of Tehran.It's more an independance demonstration at this point then a recount issue. I'm not comparing my antics in the sixties other then to say it's a movment of the young.The grey beards are now in the spotlight,the world is watching,and the smell of change is in the air. They can slaughter thousand if they choose,but they may have to slaughter hundreds of thousands to make their point. They mis judged what each vote meant to each citizen,a fatal short coming in my opinion.The cow is out of the barn,it may be too late to put it back in.

He threw out the Ayatolla for good reason. Don't try to give the CIA as much credit as you do, they did not have that big a presence there. Ours was much much bigger. In the middles east there are at least 50 sides to every story. You tend, for what ever reason, to blame the US for everything. I have learned different over the years. I learned by NOT hanging around with the mal-contents but by getting deeply involved. Nothing is as simple as you, or I, want to make it out to be. That was my point. The middle east is ruthless, always have been and will remain that way until SOMETHING changes it. It is unlikely to change from within.
 

tallcal101

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Hey,dislexex,love your stuff man!!.Do you make it up or rip it from one of your brain dead wedsites?Keep the trashy name calling coming dude,plays right into Doug and my suggestion on the motives of some on the right,(and the crediblity of the rights argument)' Love it man,keep it coming!!
 

DougTravels

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Ok Doug, what can I say?

Oh my, you are so d*mn right and I am so wrong.... I just was so misinformed that tomorrow when I make my trip to have breakfast with people who just happen to be from the middle east, I will bring print outs of your posts to show them they are clueless about their home countries and Doug and Andy are so right. Yes that will convince them that they will have to fall into place with our new leader...

.... OH Obama, please bless us with your greatness, keep us from harm and show us the path to utopia and world peace ....

But I am trying to figure this out doug, why after dealing with some of these people for something like 16 years, it never dawned on me that we will have a messiah that will fix everything within 6 months of his assent to power?

Could it be that Obama has come to earth as a Gift from God to erase 1200 years of bloodshed and strife?

Our great leader will bring people together with his grand aura which radiates from that halo above his head.

I don't know seeing that you have proved nothing with 20,000 people who may have been part of the polls out of millions that reside in these countries. The people who answered these polls must be right and the millions of others are wrong?

I don't know, it sounds all confusing......

Oh Dog can you make sense of the teachings of the messiah Obama, the great one, on how are we supposed to follow?

Do we all give up our worldly goods and conform, you know is it like what others in the past wanted us to be?

Or is it that the world of individuality is dead and the collective will become a way of life?

Would you like to be part of this greater good?

Then way are you striving for independent wealth?

Give it up, be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

But Duog have you had an original thought? Yet?

Or better yet....

I believe you can understand more if you open your mind and stop looking at things as a left or right issue or Bush did this and it is bad thing because Bush did it. You should go down and meet some of these people, get to know them and form a real opinion about the issues instead of reading Time.

Seeing you like to quote lyrics;

All your life is Time Magazine
I read it too
What does it mean?

or is it.....

All your life is channel 13
Sesame Street
What does it mean?

Yep .. what does it mean... us un-enlighten idiots want to know.....

Had you stopped with the first paragraph, it would have been probably the most lucid and sane post you have ever made! I do feel for you Greg, the insane guilt you and those that think like you feel must be overwhelming. It only makes sense that those you choose to dine with share your fellings.

Why do you feel that the 20,000 polled does not represent a good sampling? The millions that did not answer must share your views? I need to open my mind? I would have to say that you need to open your eyes and your mind.

Greg, (not gerg or geyg or gag) I'll leave the clever typos to you. We tried your way, 8 years of it in the presidency and 6 in the houses. It was a horrible failure.

We get your points, Obama is going to take everything from me he is a communist, fascist, socialist whatever fits your agenda today. He will take anything we earn, yada, yada, yada yawn.

Maybe just relax turn Rush off the radio, take some deep breaths, close your eyes, apologize to America and maybe just maybe the little green man in your head will fade away.
 

greg334

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I seen an article that exports are UP to Iran since Obama took power...interesting....

Greg you and your Arab friends are full of BS!!! You believe them because it suits your political beliefs...

WTF OVM, the facts are facts, not contrive notions that are created to sway the masses to suit any political belief or agenda.

I am not the one living in the world of make believe like some of these people who want to believe in a utopia of middle east peace and tranquility. They are so enamored with a self-proclaimed deity that they forget common sense and fail to open their minds. The fight for the small minded has been won by the propagandist who set out to control them.

Those of small minds only blame the few for the messes that took thousands of years to create by looking through rose colored glasses that were created to sway people away from the truth in the first place. Just take Carter for a moment, all he has done is side with a group that wants to destroy everything the west stands for and people come to his defense and the defense of the groups he supports because they think they are the enlighten of the country or want to be part of that.

My friends seem to better equipped to judge and explain events over there seeing most of them are from over there and seem to think on terms that are equal to the people actually living and participating in the events. It is easy to dismiss them from posts in forums, we don't yet live in a world managed by religion or some dictator and when we do, most will not get what they failed to see what these people have been saying to us.

OVM, history hasn't changed, the people revise it to fit an agenda - the Iraq war and formation of a government in record time stands as a perfect example of a revised history from a misplaced press and the hollywood types. There is no objectivity or intellectual honesty within these groups who say we failed or those parrot them when they ignore facts of what was and what has happened in order to make it fit a specific agenda. Most of the progress in Iraq is honestly ignored, most of the idiots who parrot the talking points don't get what happen in their life time is close to a miracle but they only see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear.

The really sad part is the ignorance of the people who can't come to grips with one simple fact that there are reasons we are involved in some parts of the world that go way beyond what they can comprehend. They live in their little MTV world, playing their little mind numbing games while being entertained with some show that shows the some pathetic 'star' crashing and burning. This in turn causes them to grasp onto anything that they feel provides some solace to their worthless intellect in their limited world. They grasp for information from sources that only provide opinion and explain what they should think and feel because objective reporting is no longer the norm with the press at large. They mock the very people who stand and deliver to protect them and they mock their missions as nothing more than a power grab to enslave a people. They cast aside the doubt and reality to believe that a poll is accurate measurement of a distant culture and beliefs that culture holds.

The same goes for the protester and their ideals of helping by being vocal but fail to stand by the people who actually face the cr*p in the first place - hypocrite comes to mind.

Doug, sorry for the typos. If you focused on them, well it means you didn't get what I said. It was a sarcastic reply to nonsensical ramblings of your posts.

For the record, I have no guilt at all but I didn't see do anything outside of cutting and pasting to prove any attempt to become educated. To be exact you are the one who should fell guilty because you don't want to move off your butt and go learn, expand your knowledge to see whether we are right or wrong. I talked about you and Andy this morning over coffee and some really good food and everyone got a good laugh off both of your misplaced energies and your ramblings.
 
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tallcal101

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Am I a Hollywood type? If so,make it West Hollywood,not so many hookers on the corners.
I think what you really mean is Beverly Hills types,or Malibu types.If your talking about hookers and crack heads and speed freaks,then your talking about Hollywood types.Just to be clear.
 

greg334

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I don't know Andy, if you support Jane Fonda and her right to free speech as an artist, maybe you are.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Greg..the thing is...Everyone has stuck their nose into the middle east mess....always meddling..the whole mess has been created by outside forces...The US, China, Russia and all for self interests..and then Israel sitting of the middle of it all...Too many fingers in the pie.
 

layoutshooter

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Greg..the thing is...Everyone has stuck their nose into the middle east mess....always meddling..the whole mess has been created by outside forces...The US, China, Russia and all for self interests..and then Israel sitting of the middle of it all...Too many fingers in the pie.

SO, get rid of the pie!!! :D
 

Turtle

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Well, I respect Jane Fonda's right to free speech.

The only thing I have a problem with is Nixon's decision to not have her charged, tried, and then shot for treason. It was a slam dunk case if there ever was one.
 

layoutshooter

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Well, I respect Jane Fonda's right to free speech.

The only thing I have a problem with is Nixon's decision to not have her charged, tried, and then shot for treason. It was a slam dunk case if there ever was one.

So was Sandy Berger's case. I still want to know just how our new director of the CIA was involved it that one. Talk about a real conflict of interest!!!
 
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