How Long Before This Happens Here.....
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greg334
Veteran Expediter
Cheri, As much as i would like to see people of all levels of society actually step up like they used to, there is a change in direction that took place in the mid-20th century with government expanding their role and freeing up the individual to do what they want to do. We went from family involvement with people to defining up poverty to fit a political need and then taking the further step to ensure groups of people to be perpetually stuck with no hope.
The founding fathers didn't feel it was the job of the individual to provide for the general welfare and their idea of the general welfare was about food or clothing, iPods or cars but it seems that it was about making sure everyone had the opportunity to chart their own course without the worry or threat of the government.
Reality is that we don't need government, they hinder the progress people can make by providing not the means but the chains in regards of not forcing the person to improve themselves or strive to achieve. I can't blame some of these people to be on social programs, some have to struggle with the issues that they were told that they belong to a class of poor or what ever it is, and they have this mindset that this is what life is all about. I guess it is like an average expediter who doesn't see anything but what the carrier offers them, they are not able to see beyond that load offer or want to.
The founding fathers didn't feel it was the job of the individual to provide for the general welfare and their idea of the general welfare was about food or clothing, iPods or cars but it seems that it was about making sure everyone had the opportunity to chart their own course without the worry or threat of the government.
Reality is that we don't need government, they hinder the progress people can make by providing not the means but the chains in regards of not forcing the person to improve themselves or strive to achieve. I can't blame some of these people to be on social programs, some have to struggle with the issues that they were told that they belong to a class of poor or what ever it is, and they have this mindset that this is what life is all about. I guess it is like an average expediter who doesn't see anything but what the carrier offers them, they are not able to see beyond that load offer or want to.
tbubster
Seasoned Expediter
I did not misquote you.I quoted you what you wrote.What you wrote the 2nd time is not what you wrote the first time.That may have been what you ment,but not what you wrote.I also stand by my feelings that the fact you and the rest of the liberal left beliving this way is what is wrong with america today.The thought that someone else should have to help pay for other people to make it in this country was in no way what the founding fathers had in mind.What I learned in school was that the founding fathers were willing to go to war and risk being killed because they also belived that a man had the right to keep what was his and to keep what he earned,that the king had no right to decide to take more in taxes just because the had more to take.(just to make it clear I know this was not the only reason)
"Comments like "People on welfare have tattoos!" and others like it - never occurs to you that what you assume may not be what you think, is why I would hate to have someone like you deciding who needs help."
Who has said anything even close to this?I myself have never said anything about people on welfare haveing tattoos.I like how you put the quote marks on that statment as if I did though.In fact where has anyone made that statement?You also wrote this is why you would hate to have someone like me deciding who needs help.Thats funny you decide "Someone like me" based of a comment I never said.
Talk about someone telling someone else how they feel.
"And I have never said I have a hard time believing it happens, I know it does - what I have a hard time believing is that a great many people are getting benefits who neither need nor deserve them."
Here is what you said
"Again: given that nearly every state is in financial trouble, it's impossible to believe they are [or would] give money to people who don't need it, or could be self supporting if they tried. The feds and the states redesigned assistance programs many years ago to stop the 'lifetime' benefits, and the financial picture is far worse now than it was then."
WOW you are right What you said was "its impossible to believe"Your words not mine.............
I dont have to guess how you feel you make how you feel Known all by yoursef.
"Comments like "People on welfare have tattoos!" and others like it - never occurs to you that what you assume may not be what you think, is why I would hate to have someone like you deciding who needs help."
Who has said anything even close to this?I myself have never said anything about people on welfare haveing tattoos.I like how you put the quote marks on that statment as if I did though.In fact where has anyone made that statement?You also wrote this is why you would hate to have someone like me deciding who needs help.Thats funny you decide "Someone like me" based of a comment I never said.
Talk about someone telling someone else how they feel."And I have never said I have a hard time believing it happens, I know it does - what I have a hard time believing is that a great many people are getting benefits who neither need nor deserve them."
Here is what you said
"Again: given that nearly every state is in financial trouble, it's impossible to believe they are [or would] give money to people who don't need it, or could be self supporting if they tried. The feds and the states redesigned assistance programs many years ago to stop the 'lifetime' benefits, and the financial picture is far worse now than it was then."
WOW you are right What you said was "its impossible to believe"Your words not mine.............
I dont have to guess how you feel you make how you feel Known all by yoursef.
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