Hmmm, The Fed to Start Tracking Gold Sales...

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Hmmmm seems the Fed Gov wants to know who is buying Gold....just another forum of "registration".....wonder way they feel the need to do this...:rolleyes:

If you have been buying gold, you might want to either step it up now or find a dealer that will sell to you as a private one on one sale.....

$600 Sale? Get Ready for Tax Form

By David L. Ganz
Numismatic News
June 29, 2010
Numismaster.com


A blizzard of paperwork could be about to hit numismatics.

Passage by Congress of the national health care legislation has had an unintended consequence to the nation’s coin collectors, vest-pocket dealers who buy and sell coins, and larger dealers who are frequent buyers of coins that collectors periodically liquidate as they trade up their collections for better coins, or simply sell to take a small profit or loss.

What has happened is that effective Jan. 1, 2012, the whole system of giving and receiving Internal Revenue Service 1099 forms will be turned on its head and all persons (including corporations) who are in business will now have to give 1099 tax reporting forms for coins and other goods that they sell as well as buy.

The responsibility for issuing forms kicks in at $600 for coins or bullion – not a very high level and one that has already started sounding alarm bells. It doesn’t matter in what form payment is made, whether cash, check, credit card, or Yap stone money, the $600 threshold applies.

There’s a bill introduced by Rep. Dan Lungren (H.R. 5141), which has gathered over 80 members of Congress as co-sponsors to repeal this section. Evidently, however, the drafters of the provision think there is a $17 billion loophole that this plugs.


The Industry Council for Tangible Assets is alerting member dealers and the public at large in the hope that some sense of outrage will lead to a ready modification before the law becomes operational in 2012.

Form 1099 is used to report independent contractor income, income from dividends, income from other things – and is one of the reasons why children receive tax bills for work or labor or services performed.

Section 9006 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Public Law 111-148, signed into law by President Obama this spring) turns 1099 forms into reporting forms not only for independent contractor’s income – what they have long been used for – but also to show sales, gains and losses on purchases and sales of goods as part of a trade or business.

The section reads (in relevant part) “SEC. 9006. EXPANSION OF INFORMATION REPORTING REQUIREMENTS. (a) IN GENERAL. – Section 6041 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by adding at the end the following new subsections:

‘‘(h) APPLICATION TO CORPORATIONS. – Notwithstanding any regulation prescribed by the secretary before the date of the enactment of this subsection, for purposes of this section the term ‘person’ includes any corporation that is not an organization exempt from tax under section 501(a).

‘‘(i) REGULATIONS. – The secretary may prescribe such regulations and other guidance as may be appropriate or necessary to carry out the purposes of this section, including rules to prevent duplicative reporting of transactions.’’

(b) PAYMENTS FOR PROPERTY AND OTHER GROSS PROCEEDS. –

Subsection (a) of section 6041 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended –

(1) by inserting ‘‘amounts in consideration for property,’’ after ‘‘wages,’’
(2) by inserting ‘‘gross proceeds,’’ after ‘‘emoluments, or other’’, and
(3) by inserting ‘‘gross proceeds,’’ after ‘‘setting forth the amount of such.’’

The property section means that if B. Max Mehl was selling coins to another major dealer of that era, a 1099 would have to be issued. When he bought from the public, the same thing is also required. The “report” does not necessarily measure profit or loss, but it does show activity.

The old exemption against corporations is also gone. If you buy or sell more than $600 of coins, or whatever, from, to or with a bullion dealer, for example, you have an obligation under the new law to issue 1099s.
 

mikee

Seasoned Expediter
Sassy ,here Mikee 's other half- Thought I would mention that both my grandparent lost all their precious metals as Confiscated by the Govt, still a sore spot for the Family!
So this could again be a way to plan the next theft by the Govt.
 

Dakota

Veteran Expediter
When, not if our economy colapses, the goverment will confiscate all gold, except for collectable gold like coins, but I am sure they will find a way to take that too:eek:
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
When, not if our economy colapses, the goverment will confiscate all gold, except for collectable gold like coins, but I am sure they will find a way to take that too:eek:


They better come armed!! I don't have any gold but they better come armed just to ask!! :mad:
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
When, not if our economy colapses, the goverment will confiscate all gold, except for collectable gold like coins, but I am sure they will find a way to take that too:eek:

Ah... collectibles will be high on the list of things they want.

BUT who cares anyway. People seem to have fallen for the BS line ...

#1 - during the depression, people horded gold coins so the government took gold off the market.

#2 - when the economy collapses, gold will be the only thing that will help you through it.

BOTH are BS.

First we were taken off the gold market because one of the major issues with our economy by the changes in the export/import of goods in our country. FDR and even Hoover recognizedly the problem with the changing foreign exchange rates with currency based on Gold - a finite material.

The second part of number one is no one had the money to horde anything, let along half eagle, eagle and double eagle coins. When a double eagle was a weekly wage, who could afford it?

Number 2 is BS because no one will need gold when they are starving. The example is, I have the chicken with the eggs, you have the gold, that egg is pretty expensive. I can't use gold but I can use a hammer, or someone to fix the leaky roof and those people don't want gold either. Take the money you spend on the gold and buy a book to teach you how to raise chickens.

I watched some MSNBC thing this morning on Goldline and Glenn Beck, and I think it was said what I just said, it doesn't matter what you have, skills and things people need will be what will matter.

By the way the government didn't come into peoples homes and take their gold, not even close unless they opened their mouths. People hid gold coins all over the place, it wasn't a point that they were hiding gold but rather hiding money to save. It is odd to find a bag here or there while working on some of these old homes in Detroit.
 

witness23

Veteran Expediter
the goverment will confiscate all gold, except for collectable gold like coins

Do yourself a favor and don't listen to Beck, G. Gordon Liddy, Huckabee, well, heck all of Fox's personalities that are pushing gold. By your comment you have either listened to their commercials that are often aired on their t.v. and radio shows or you have called Goldline or some other shim sham gold promoters and believed their schtick on collectable coins that,
"cannot be confiscated by the Govt."

I hope you haven't invested in these "collectible gold coins". Here's a link if you are interested in investing in gold.

Bunch of rubes.

The pitfalls of buying gold and silver, bullion and coins; cash reporting, "non-reportable" trades, "confiscateable" gold.
 

Dakota

Veteran Expediter
Do yourself a favor and don't listen to Beck, G. Gordon Liddy, Huckabee, well, heck all of Fox's personalities that are pushing gold. By your comment you have either listened to their commercials that are often aired on their t.v. and radio shows or you have called Goldline or some other shim sham gold promoters and believed their schtick on collectable coins that,
"cannot be confiscated by the Govt."

I hope you haven't invested in these "collectible gold coins". Here's a link if you are interested in investing in gold.

Bunch of rubes.

The pitfalls of buying gold and silver, bullion and coins; cash reporting, "non-reportable" trades, "confiscateable" gold.

Well yes, I do listen to them daily. Have I bought gold? NO Do some of my investments include gold? YES, but not physical gold. I have a very nice mix of investments that are treating me quite well considering the market. I have lost some but I have gained some, right now I am sitting at a stalemate for the past couple years.
Do I believe gold will help you if the economy crashes? Probably not, skills will be of more value.
Could the government confiscate gold, guns etc? Probably
Will it come to that? Who Knows!!!!
We live in extremely volatile and exciting times, history is being made daily and only time will tell what direction we will eventually end in.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
So that's another thing, having proxy gold.

What assurances are made that you have access to the gold if say the communications system collapses?

See gold is an investment, it is to be speculated on and those who are making the money are the ones who are selling the idea that we need it. Seeds we need, chickens we need, gold not at all.

Gold would be a great show for Penn and Teller.
 

Dakota

Veteran Expediter
My gold investments are part of a mutual fund including other valuable metals, mineral etc. If it gets bad enough for all communication to fail, even money stuffed in a mattress will become valueless.
 

Dakota

Veteran Expediter
What assurances are made that you have access to the gold if say the communications system collapses?

There are no absolute assurances in life except that we will all eventually die. Sorry to get morbid, but it's true.
We can't always live in a "what if" world.
I set aside money for my retirement without know that I will live long enough to have a retirement. Should I stop setting aside money? NO. Same could be said for most things in life, we do not know what the future holds. We can only do what we feel is best for our future that might happen.
 

witness23

Veteran Expediter
Well yes, I do listen to them daily. Have I bought gold? NO Do some of my investments include gold? YES, but not physical gold. I have a very nice mix of investments that are treating me quite well considering the market. I have lost some but I have gained some, right now I am sitting at a stalemate for the past couple years.
Do I believe gold will help you if the economy crashes? Probably not, skills will be of more value.
Could the government confiscate gold, guns etc? Probably
Will it come to that? Who Knows!!!!
We live in extremely volatile and exciting times, history is being made daily and only time will tell what direction we will eventually end in.

If my reply to your post in any way came across that I somehow cared at all about your financial and or investment portfolio, your view on our economy, your thoughts on the times we are living in I apologize, the was not my intention. I only commented because you repeated, almost verbatim the scare tactic these unscrupulous people use to rip people off.
 

Moot

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Owner/Operator
Do yourself a favor and don't listen to Beck, G. Gordon Liddy, Huckabee, well, heck all of Fox's personalities that are pushing gold.

Exactly! While you are buying gold and driving the price up, these dudes are busy selling their holdings and making a sweet profit.
 

witness23

Veteran Expediter
201007200002
Exactly! While you are buying gold and driving the price up, these dudes are busy selling their holdings and making a sweet profit.

Not sure if you are being sarcastic or agreeing with me. Just so everyone know's where I am coming from, my issue with those that I listed from fox have touted gold coins based on fear that the Government will take your gold. The only reason I brought it up is because Dakota mentioned that they (the Govt.) can't confiscate gold collectible coins.

Check out the video, specifically at 4:48.

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201007200002
 
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Dakota

Veteran Expediter
If my reply to your post in any way came across that I somehow cared at all about your financial and or investment portfolio, your view on our economy, your thoughts on the times we are living in I apologize, the was not my intention. I only commented because you repeated, almost verbatim the scare tactic these unscrupulous people use to rip people off.

Okay, I have a brain and I am not a sheep LOL I've probably heard that sales pitch on TV and radio and it is now stuck in my head:eek:
 
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