Global Warming, THE SKY IS FALLING

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
GLOBAL WARMING PEOPLE!!! Al Gore where are you?!?!?! HELP US! THE SKY IS FALLING!!! Oh, wait a minute, that's 14 inches of snow that fell in the pacific northwest at elevations as low as 2400 feet IN JUNE! I forgot. Global warming is a MYTH. Well, I like snow better anyway.
 

hdxpedx

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
On c-span-- Ways and Means chair- Jidot mcdermont d-wa stated because of hydro carbons-- NO DRILLING- NO REFINERYs- and defenitely no Nuclear!! ALL THOSE FUTURE CONSTRUCTION JOBS- FLUSHED!! ALL DRILLING FOR FUEL FLUSHED!! AND FUTURE OIL/COAL mine JOBS FLUSHED!! But on c-span yesterday the GREEN said our future is green "ALGAE"!! America got what they(GREENS) desired 18 months ago, and al gore is at the bank depositing GREEN!!
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I for one believe the climate is changing...probably was even before the GREEN noticed it....The melting of the polar ice is most noteable....you can't deny that....But I believe it's just part of a natural pattern...
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Leo,

It started out as a global cooling in the 70's.

Then it progressed into global warming in the 80's.

Then in the 90's it was the need to reduce government waste and to push for better living standards for all.

Then with the dawn of the new century, there was a small faction of communist who figured out that it is not communism that will save the earth but the greenies and they changed tactics moving from Global Warming to Global Climate Change.

Then in the latter part of the first decade of the new century, the evil right wing racist talk show hosts figured out the tactics being used and announced to the world that there is no global warming and climate change is a natural thing And there are more polar bears around than there ever has been so the communist who are behind all of this has now changed it to ........

A Global Climate Crisis.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Yes, we're on a natural and normal cycle that unfortunately is used by the minority to get things they want. Anyone who is against drilling in ANWR or the Gulf or wherever due to climatological reasons is an idiot.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
The projected oil in the ANWR is like a spit in the ocean it would not make a difference in the big picture....I'd hate to mess up that pristine setting for a lousey 5 or 10 years worth of oil..If they were to go in... I wouldn't strongly protest if they got an agreement when done they return the area as was and any spills or accidents they would be shutdown quicker then a cathouse no excuses....and in writing!!!.
But the Gulf...thats a diifferent story.... there's long term sustainability....that would make a difference. And the fact they have proven themselves so far with good technology.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
OVM,

The thing is, you have to listen very very carefully to the people who say we should not drill in ANWR because it won't make a difference. The comparison is made all the time with these words - World, Oil, Production. There is no where in the many many statements that include the words Unites States, Oil, Production.

ALSO

ANWR was setup for only one purpose, to drill for oil. If we continue to allow congress to hold us hostage while the tour operators are making Millions there, we will see $8 a gallon gas.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
IF and thats a projected IF....ANWR is only short term gain....whats the use? BUT I hear because the Arctic circle is exposing land for the first time they may explore up there when the ownership is resolved...

And why is the Arctic exposing land for the first time? We are warming up...naturally that is....
 

dpea9

Expert Expediter
OVM. what do you mean the land is exposing at the arctic circle? I lived just above the arctic circle in Alaska from 1978 to 2006. every year the land is exposed from around mid May until around the first of Oct. Also every year I was in the middle of ANWR on the south side of the Brooks Range on the Sheenjek river from the 1st of August until around the third week of Sept. weather permitting. I can tell you all the BS the greenies tell you about ANWR is BS. Oil exploration will not interfere with the Porcupine Caribou herd, it will not harm Grizzly habitat the only thing it might harm is 100,000,000,000,000,000 mosquitos. There is a road/trail that goes from Circle City on the Yukon River all the way to the village of Wainwright on the Arctic Ocean. it was built for oil exploration in the winter of 1959 several dozen trucks hauled equipment on it that winter. I bet you never heard about that on the National news.The oil companies have an excellent environmental record on the North slope they have a very strict policy about no interferring with the animals. All I am saying is I have spent a lot of time in ANWR and the North Slope with my plane over the 25+ years and most people dont have a clue about how large of an area it is nor do they realize how remote it is or how few people have actually set foot in ANWR. Also exploration would leave a footprint of a little less than 1/2 of 1% of the land in ANWR.
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
Don't forget the caribou etc. like the warmth from the pipeline and procreate more and it actually builds the herds. We can't have the green lunatics letting that kind of info out though.
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
It used to be the whole in the ozone layer and skin cancer was on a dramatic increase. Well, that turned out to be false, so we don't hear much about that. Global warming was supposed to have started happening already, but when it didn't they pushed that one back to 2020, and said they have been saying 2020 all along (which is a lie). Now it's climate change, instead. If you notice, the whole climate change has some religious parallels, in that if you don't behave, something you can't see will punish you, so you'd better behave and do what we say.

People are all bent out of shape because we need to clean up the planet or we'll die. But they fail to realize that for the last 40 or 50 years that's exactly what we've been doing, and now the planet is the cleanest it has been at any time since the start of the industrial revolution.

Polar bears are now coming into camps and towns, ostensibly because they are losing habitat, but no one wants to point out that polar bears have been coming into camps and towns since the very first camp and town. They make it out to be new, but it's not. The people who count polar bears, and have been for more than 20 years, see no reduction in numbers.

In 2020 when climate change hasn't happened, they'll either push the dates back again, or they'll come up with something else to frighten us and keep us in line.
 

copdsux

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Are you folks saying that my inability to breathe properly, for
the past 5 days, is just my imagination? My emphysema is real and the "code orange" days are a b#$ch! Poor air quality has a direct impact on those of us with lung disease.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
No, poor air quality is still a big problem in many areas. The more urban the area, the worse the problem generally. What I believe we're saying, at least for my part, is that we need to immediately start doing the things we need to do to reduce the impact of foreign oil and thereby hopefully find at least some relief for our wallets.
 

tallcal101

Veteran Expediter
When ever I'm in need of light entertaiment straight out off the Fox News Network,paticularly with regards to global warming,I check out the threads found on The Good Old Soap Box.You guys are better then the writers for FOX. Where do you dig this stuff up!! If I did'nt know better,I would swear you were comedy writers for Letterman and Leno,or my favoite,Kimmel. It's just to funny. Occationaly my assistant who sits outside my office hears me laughing as I read some of your hilarious comments to my friends over speaker.

Please don't quit as your keeping me and several of friends rolling. Paticularly Leo,God I love it Leo. Your a crowd favoite in San Francisco,even as our state burns due to,you guessed it,global warming. Unfazed,you guys and your Goreimainia are just the best.Unfortunatly,compared to w and his legacy of lunacy (pretty good ,I made that up myself) Gore will always be the guy who could have saved us from all those bushwacked fans who put brain dead boy in for two terms. Yea.that son of a *%^&$ Gore,man is he ever eveil.Just think,we might not have 4000 dead American youngsters and $5.00 per gallon diesel and a staggering debt to the Chinese for 3 trillion $ for w's folly in Iraq. If only.

Like I said,if I didn't know better I'd sware you guys were comedy writers,but the sad truth is,your serious. It's going to be long 8 years guys and gals,I hope you have a big rock to hibernate under.
 
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Vinnie T

Seasoned Expediter
When ever I'm in need of light entertaiment straight out off the Fox News Network,.

Bingo!



And for the record I am not A Dem

But I guess Talcal since we don't buy the Republican propaganda people like us are socialists?? Umm sure


Global Warming is real, the question is how much if the warming trend is man made versus natural. Man has excelerated the process for sure, how can we not!
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
Well, I don't have a TV so I don't watch Fox, so I'm not sure wht to say about that. Anyway, like all things in life, follow the money. The people who say global warming is man-made are the same people who need money to fund their work. Most people, the younger ones, anyway, have only been taught how we dirty things up, but they haven't been taught how we have cleaned things up. The planet is easily the "greenest" it has been at any time in recorded history. Even before the industrial revolution there were people with lung disease coughing up stuff. Streams and rivers were ripe with raw sewage. In 1999 the sea levels were supposed to have risen 2 feet. What happened to that one? Climatologists are now saying that temperatures peaked in 1998 and it looks like the next upswing cycle won't happen for another 20 years. The polar ice caps have been melting and freezing, shrinking and growing, since there have been polar ice caps, yet all of a sudden, in our little blink of an eye existence, it's a man-made crisis.

People have bought into this crap to the point where many people actually believe carbon dioxide is a pollutant. It's not. Man-induced CO2 emissions are only about 3% of the natural carbon cycle and less than 1% of the atmospheric reservoir of carbon. The increase in the air's CO2 content over the past few centuries are far more likely to be from the result of earth's oceans giving off the gas in response to the planet's recovery from the Little Ice Age. This is all about the money, and about control. In England they are talking about issuing carbon credit cards, where you swipe your card every time you get gas, and if you use up all your carbon credits, you then, ta-da, pay a premium for the extra carbon units you are using. It's about money, it's about control, it's about socialistic mandates in every aspect of our lives for government control and taxing everything we do.

We have this bizarre need to believe that if we don't behave in a certain way we're going to be punished by something big and invisible that we can't see. That could be the planet warming to where sea levels rise and wash away all of our homes, or cause more tornadoes or hurricanes, or the volcano gods will get angry, or earthquakes in China or it'll rain for 40 days and 40 nights. Yeah, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, like none of that every happened before man started messin' with the planet. But every bit of it is based on the same religious-like belief that if you don't behave properly, you don't tow the line, you'll be punished. And people buy into it. All you have to do is follow the money. What happened to the hole in the ozone and the increased skin cancer as a result? Nothing. Turned out to be untrue, the money dried up, so they moved to global warming, which turned out to not be true, so now it's climate change, instead. Follow the money. The next hurricane won't be about global warming, it'll be about weather patterns that have existed since we've had weather. There is no evidence, zero, nada, none, that global warming or climate change has resulted in increased severe weather events globally. Severe weather events occur when temperature extremes meet, so a warmer planet will actually result in less severe events and more stable weather.

The climate has been changing since day one, and it'll keep on changing. If the earth warms, why is that a bad thing? To date, no one has shown why it will be bad. All the predictions have been wrong. Whoops. So, they push the bad things into the future...again. That way they can keep getting the money for their research now. If you look at the doom and gloom coming out of the UN, take a look at all of the solutions. Every one of them point at the money, with most of them pointing squarely at the US. And if they can get the people inside the US to buy into this crap, 90% of their work is done. Money and control.

Glaciers, some miles thick, have come and gone from North America in recent centuries. Chunks of ice fall off the ice sheet in Antarctica, known as calving, and people are saying that it's a recent, man-made phenomenon, even though it's been going on since forever. In our unstable and evolving planet, temperatures are always either rising or falling. Who knows whether a trend is the product of human activity or natural? The answer is nobody. All we have is hypothesis and thin-air guesses. And environmental organizations are fomenting false fears in order to promote agendas and raise money. It's that simple.

The planet has always been in a state of change, warming and cooling, and to presume the current state is man-made is about as silly as stating that man is the only intelligent life in the universe. Nobody knows. Nobody. You can believe what you want, but the bottom line is you don't know squat, and neither do the people who are preaching to you about the ills of man and climate change. If you're happy being a Lemming, so be it. Change your lightbulb and maybe the angry tornado gods will look favorably upon you.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Tallcal,
Don't mean to yank your chain but if you are actually supporting the troops when you bring up the 4000 dead.

To me, you should be fully supporting the troops and the branch of military that they serve in because there is no distinct difference between the two. A person who has pride in his service for his country and that form of service can not be divided from the person.

Well the thing it that you live and breath in the SF area, an area I really do like but the area leaders which represent the population of the area hold the military in contempt to the point they are trying to shut down recuruiting station and will not allow the navy to dock ships in the federally protected and run harbor all a reflection of the people themselves, so with that are you part of that crowd who insults one while try to praise the other because if you are, don't continue to bring up the dead in a negative way and praise them by continue to support the military they decided to join.

About Fox, what I find kind of odd is that they have been consistent with giving candidates access from both sides without the BS that the other networks seem to have.

Oh one other thing Tallcal, your hero there, ALGORE didn't deserve the peace prize, he didn't do anything to deserve it other than to beat out some lady who rescued Jews from the Nazis, great man there.
 
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