from a Gorbachov interview...

OntarioVanMan

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Gorbachev drew on his experience in a CNN interview Sunday during which he again played the part of peacemaker, urging Obama to pull troops out of Afghanistan.

Unfortunately, it seems from media leaks that President Obama is moving in the opposite direction. The speculation now is that he will increase U.S. forces by a number slightly less than the 40,000 that Gen. Stanley McChrystal has requested, a decision that would make no sense at all. If the goal is, as McChrystal's report defined it, to rebuild Afghan civil society from the ground up, something on the order of the half-million troops that were dispatched to Vietnam will be required. But that cannot be done without a draft, and we all know that outcome would not be politically acceptable to either the Democratic or Republican parties.

Nor is such nation-building advisable, even if the American public and the treasury would support it. Our war in Afghanistan is no more warranted than the one the Soviets waged. Ironically, they were opposing Muslim fanatics we supplied with Stinger rockets and whose descendants we now blame for terrorism. In the name of fighting Soviet imperialism, our CIA recruited the worst of the worst and called them freedom fighters until we renamed them terrorists. We got it terribly wrong then, and yet we still insist that we know what we are doing in that country.

When Gorbachev came to power, he - like Obama - inherited a war that was not in the interest of his nation. If the response of a Soviet dictator was to end it, might we not be justified in expecting the enlightened president of a democratic society to do the same?

Mikhail Gorbachev's Sermon on the Mount
 

greg334

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This is coming from a guy who also ran his government right into the ground and forced it to totally collapse.

If it was coming from one of the generals who was actually there, then it would be advice, but Gorby for get it.
 

chefdennis

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the only thing that gorby has right, and it isn't for the reasons he is stating is that we can't win there....the only reason that is true is because barry doesn't want to win and has tied the hands of our troops, no matter how many we have there...with the 12 rules in place and the ROE, our troops are hampered from even protecting themsleves, let alone winning a war......
 
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Tennesseahawk

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If you didn't know, Greg, COMMUNISM ran the USSR into the ground. Gorby was only in office when it finally collapsed.
 

layoutshooter

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Hey, don't forget that WE helped run the Soviets into the ground and it was FUN!!! Far cheaper than nuking them and far fewer died. One GOOD thing about that war was how many FEWER deaths than WWII. About 300,000 or so. FAR less than wars of the past. Let us all pray that wars get fewer and those that need fought have fewer dead than the last.
 

greg334

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If you didn't know, Greg, COMMUNISM ran the USSR into the ground. Gorby was only in office when it finally collapsed.

T-hawk,
Check again. He was General Secretary from '85 to '91, close enough to take the blame.

It was his program, Uskoreniye or accelrated economic reforms that actually killed the soviets from the inside. We made it hard for them, trigger the need for these reforms and Gorby's idea then is the same as Obama now, big reforms that allow new and more innovating things to happen in order to expand the economy. There it was experimenting with soviet style capitalism, here it is shifting the economy to Green jobs - one failed and the other will.
 
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