Endless obama when the 22nd is repealed

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
REPEAL the 22nd Ammendment and have endless Obama

Didn't see this in the MSM didya!!!!

Yeap, thay have put a bill up in the house to repeal the 22 ammenedment (term limits for the president) so we can have endless Obama



Three Terms for Barack Obama?
By Mark Impomeni
Jan 14th 2009 10:00PM
Three Terms for Barack Obama? - Political Machine

With President-elect Barack Obama set to take the oath of office to begin his first term, one New York Congressman wants to make it possible for him to one day serve a third. Representative Jose Serrano (D) has introduced a bill in the House to abolish the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution, which limits presidents to two consecutive terms or ten years in office.

Until 1951, there was nothing preventing a president from seeing election for more than two terms. But all presidents prior to Franklin Delano Roosevelt honored a tradition begun by George Washington and served only two consecutive terms. Roosevelt stood for election for an unprecedented third term at the dawn of World War II and was elected to a fourth, only to die in office within months of his inauguration. He is the only American president to serve more than two terms.

The theory behind the 22nd Amendment is that modern day presidents exercise too much power and authority to be allowed access to it for very long. On the other hand, the presidency is the only federal office that is term-limited. The same arguments in favor of limiting presidents' time in office can be applied to Representatives and Senators as well.

What do you think? Should the 22nd Amendment be repealed? Should presidents be allowed to serve for as along as the people will elect them? And should Barack Obama be the first beneficiary of the proposed change?


The House Bill as sponsored by Representative Jose Serrano (D):


Text of H. J. Res. 5: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second...

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111th CONGRESS

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1st Session



H. J. RES. 5


Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.



IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES



January 6, 2009


Mr. SERRANO introduced the following joint resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary



JOINT RESOLUTION


Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years after the date of its submission for ratification:



‘Article--
‘The twenty-second article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.’.


http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...d?bill=hj111-5
 

Turtle

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Do you really think Serrano put out this bill so we could have endless Obama? Did you have the same 'endless Bush' outrage when Serrano introduced an identical bill in 2003 (HR 11) or again later that same year with HR 25, which garnered bipartisan sponsorship from six other Representatives? Or when Earl Michener (R-Michigan) introduced an identical bill in 1987 when Regan was president? Over the years a number of congressmen (including two or three times by Barney Frank, and at least once by Harry Reid during Bush's presidency) have introduced the same bills, and none of them have made it out of committee.

You haven't seen this in the MSM because it's not news. It won't be news until it gets out of committee. At this point it's just another draft resolution, one of hundreds, that get introduced each year in the House. Yawn.


However, Eisenhower, Clinton and Reagan were all outspoken regarding term limits on the president. We have had term limits for the president for all of 58 years. For 175 years, between 1776 and 1951, we didn't have term limits. In those 175 years we had no kings, no thrones of power handed down through heredity, no elected dictators who grasped power and refused to relinquish it. Over those 175 years, the people have been, by and large, pretty good at the whole government of the People, by the People and for the People thing.

Do we need presidential term limits, while at the same time not having term limits for Congress? We need term limits for all, or for none, I think.

Under the current Constitution the vice-president can assume the office of president upon the death of the president for up to two years, and still be elected twice again. If he assumes the office and serves for more than two years, even two years and one day, then he can only be elected to the office once. But that means that you can assume the office for up to two years, and then be elected twice for 8 years, allowing you to be president for up 10 ten years.

I think the same should be true for the House of Representatives, 10 years max. For Senators, either one term, or possibly two terms. The Constitution was written specifically so that Senators would serve for 6 years, and that every two years one third of the Senate would seat new people (the Three Senate Classes). That's not happening. Well, every two years one third is vacated, but all too often the vacant seats are fill by the people who vacated them. Term limits would help refill the vacated seats with new people on a regular basis.

But since we don't have term limits on Congress, why have term limits on the president? And if we repeal the 22nd Amendment, we had better be very careful for whom we repeal it, because it will almost certainly be repealed for someone specific, and it will be done with the same reasonings behind it that the 22nd was ratified in the first place, which probably shouldn't have happened. But since it did, if we repeal it, it should be done so that it specifically excludes the current president from seeking a third term, and it should be passed by Congress prior to the election of the next president. In other words, it should be passed only during the current president's lame duck second term and before the election of the next president. In addition, anyone elected to the presidency or serving in that office, between the time of Congressional passage and the ratification by the States (it would likely take years to be ratified), should also be specifically excluded from being able to seek a third term, so that no current or newly elected president (or vice president) could benefit from the repeal of the Amendment. That, or it should not be able to go into effect until some time in the future, like 13 years from it's ratification, something like that.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Yes I did have a fit when it was brought to face when bush was in office, and it is in the hands of the Judiciary Committee now.

And I totally agree that both the house and senate should have term limits also. No one stays more then 8 yrs period.

As for being careful, screw that, every action has a reaction, you live with the consquences. Why do think pelosi will back off with going after bush and cheney...they don't want the repubs going after them or their party the next time around.

Oh and thanks for infering I wrote the article and the headline!! I appreciate that you think I have that much talent.

Oh and as for having a fit when it was brought up during the Regan yrs, nope, i wasn't aware of it then, that was when i took an interest in politics, although small it was the start.

And do i think it was brought back now to benefit osamba, you bet i do... my personal take is that Serrano is a socialist also and he is also pretty tight with the socialist dictaor , hmmm whats the guys name... chavez............
 
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Turtle

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Well, being in the hands of the judiciary committee isn't really noteworthy, since that's where every single one of the term limit bills have to go first. So far, none have made it out of the committee. A bill to remove the presidential term limits gets introduced and is sent to the judiciary committee probably on an average of once or twice a year. It's a yawner of a news story. These bills will never make it out of committee until there is a cry from the American people for it to do so.

That's why we have to be careful about when and how it happens. As for screwing being careful and just living with the consequences, well, that's making the case for uninformed, usually emotional, snap decisions that are not thought out. If the consequences are bad, and you think that making the decision is more important than the results of the decision, that makes it a bad decision.

I do wonder, though, why you say screw being careful, live with the consequences, and then as an example you use Pelosi considering the consequences of her actions, literally not screwing being careful. If Pelosi were to screw being careful and just live with the consequences of her actions, then she wouldn't be concerned at all about the Republicans. Was this more to illustrate a personal example of you not thinking something through?

If you think Serrano brought it up now to benefit Obama, then what's your take on why he brought it up in 2003? To benefit that scumbag socialist Bush? What a hoot.

Incidentally, I wasn't inferring anything, much less that you wrote the article and the headline. When I say it, that's implying. How you take it, that's inferring.

BTW, I wasn't implying it, either. I can infer, however, for several reasons, that you agree with what you cut-n-pasted.
 

chefdennis

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i really have no idea why serrano brought it up in 2003, didn't care, for me no one needs to be in office more then 2 terms, there is enough corruption in the 2 terms to give them another and that is why i agree that there should be term limits on the house and senate.

As i me bring up pelosi, that wasn't to show her being careful , it was simply to show why she won't go after bush, her party might pay a price pater.

And i have NO problem with "snap" decisions, i make them daily , lol its probably why i have been married 3 times, that and I am a glutton for punishment...........:D
 

Turtle

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i really have no idea why serrano brought it up in 2003, didn't care, ...
Huh? You JUST got through saying, "Yes I did have a fit when it was brought to face when bush was in office..." and NOW you say you didn't care.
You didn't care, but had a fit, anyway? Or are you just ranting and raving nonsensical just for the Hеll of it?
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Chefdennis wrote:

i really have no idea why serrano brought it up in 2003, didn't care, for me no one needs to be in office more then 2 terms, there is enough corruption in the 2 terms to give them another and that is why i agree that there should be term limits on the house and senate.

LOL, you could at least use the whole quote ! lol ! I didn't care WHY he brought it up, My fit was because 2 terms is enough, becaudse of the corruption that goes on.

Oh and as for me beliveing everything I "cut & paste", in case you haven't realized it, I am a "shzt stirrer", you'd be amazed at just how much i post on more then 1 forum just to keep it stirred up!!! :D Not saying i don't believe alot of it, bit certainly not all of it. Its up to those that read it to decide which is which. But most anything i post is usually worth reading, if for nothing else then to be informed so that you can make worthwhile decisions with info that you might not getfrom the MSM....:D
 

Suds43

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Dennis ol buddy, you need to take a chill pill before all this election business gives you a nervous breakdown!! LOL :)
 

chefdennis

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LOL, Mark what gets posted here is "lite" compared to what gets poster on a few other borads I frequent. The liberals here would have me kicked off the board asap if i even put half of the hardcore stuff up here!

This is all in fun and "stirrin" here! LOL!!:D
 

cheri1122

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Chef: it's just my opinion, but wallpapering a site with cut & paste articles is more rude than helpful. Dialogue & discussion become impossible with the quantity of articles slapped up here - who has time to even read, much less respond to so many? The Soapbox was created as a forum for discussion - an occasional article is one thing, but wallpapering defeats the intent. I understand your desire to 'stir up' stuff, but think you're going way overboard in the cut & paste department. Enough already, ok?
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Well Cheri, I posted ohh maybe about 3-4 weeks ago that if management had an issue, please let me know, and I'd be more then happy to curtail the posts. I haven't heard a thing.

Now it isn't my concern if you read them or not. The object is to provide info from sites that most people don't visit , that is not often found on the MSM sites (but I certainly do use those sites also). As to the discussion, I most always start a thread with a base for discussuion with either my opinion on the article or my asking for the opinion of others. If no one replys, thats find if they do thats fine too. The opinions that i post are where i "stir it"... As I said, some of the stuff i don't have an opinion on nor do i beieve, but it is informative.

So while you are certainly entitled to your opinion and i do respect it, and I think it was you that said that if i posted something that i needed to back up with facs, i'd be informed, well all of my post are basically based on the facts found with the articles. So until i have broken a rule or management sayes something to me, I'll continue as i have. And if you look, I slow down on the weekends, news is slow then.

So again, Management, if my posting is creating a problem or breaking any rules, please let me know, it is not my desire to infringe on the owner of the sites "house rules", after all this is more or less the owners "online living room", and I am simply a guess here.
 
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Turtle

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I do tend to reply to what was posted, rather than to who posted it, but after a while familiarity takes its natural toll. One reads a pattern in what someone posts, both in the cut-n-pasted articles, as well as in collateral comments in those and other threads, and one can make logical inferences, despite the rather weak "shzt stirrer" disclaimer, since you seem to stir the shtz with the same stick every time, and do so with the same motion.

Like Cheri says, flooding the forum with cut-n-paste is hardly the manner to stir up intelligent discussion and healthy discourse. You wanna be hard core, use your own words. That's hard core.
 

Jack_Berry

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nice stuff turtle. you go amphibian:D:D




which way do you lean, donatello or mikey?



cheri i support your opinion.
 
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cheri1122

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Chef, if you read the first thing in my post, it was that it's MY opinion - not the management's. You haven't broken any rules, but you apparently know just enough about EO to get yourself in trouble, to paraphrase your tagline. We are as much a community here as a website, and we try hard to respect each other (mostly, with more or less success). It's not one of those sites where you stir up shzt willy nilly, is what I'm saying. If you keep plastering cut & paste articles on the Soapbox, it will cause folks to quit trying to discuss the issues, is what I think, and that would be a loss to all of us.
 

chefdennis

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Ok, after exchanging messages with Lawrence, I will reframe for posting in any manner other then what I have done previously.

If you remember my post(s) with Relent on the muslim issue a few weeks ago, I backed off on posting on that topic out of respect for him, not for any other reason. My posting here has been VERY selective in both topic and fashion. If I did as Turtle suggested and used my own words, I can promise you, I would offend the majority of those here in one form or another, and for the most that would be intentional on my part after I found out your position, if it differed from mine. As was said in another post my another poster, on a totally off topic, "i pick at scabs"..

For the mosy part I have not done any of that here at all, because I do understand that this is not the form for that and out of respect for the people here. Now since I have not broken any rules and the owner of the site nor has any of the Mods messaged me as to any thing that I may be doing that is abusive, until that time, I will continue to post as I have, with opinion, questions in some post, links and articles. That has been and will be kept to the Soapbox forum, as I do reailize that that is not the why of posting outside of that forum.

So if my way of posting does not meet your standards, then I'd tell you not to bother opening my post, it really is that easy. :D
 
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iceroadtrucker

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Here is somthing for ya if the New COMMANDER AND CHIEF
Can get this country back on its feet and make All America Prosper.
IF The New Commander and Chief can do this and make Life for all Americans Easer with the Help of The Senate and Congress I realy dont care How many Terms the Man serves to tell you the Truth as long as he does right by the People and not of the Big Comglomerates. If he can turn this stinking what one person called a a Slight of word (Depression) around for this country then Heck he deserves to be as long as he can serve the Common Good of the People. As he said so many times him self its not about him but about us the People that want change.

Well I see one man he has been giving the chance I hope he holds dear to his Words that which he has spoken and to which that Failure is not an option.

If he stays the course I beleive he can and we the People will come out this dilma America is in. But the Congress and the Senate have to Jump on the Band Wagon as well. Not to mention the Other Nations as it seems they as well are up in arms of this devastation that has all but leved the Financial Markets of the World virtualy bring them to there Knees.

He has a big Job and they all have to work together to pull it off. one man cant do it alone. But if they set aside their petty differences and all Pitch in then it might be possible.

Somthing to ponder:

Term limits well It dont matter to me but then again if the President got to have them then maybe so should the congressmen and Senators as well. :)
 
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