Deadline for signing up for health insurance is February 15th.

ysracer

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Group is different than the government outlawing policies. AND, for the vast majority of our adult lives we have either paid all, or most, of the cost of our insurance. On top of that, many want it for FREE! At least in Europe EVERYONE pays taxes to cover socialism. Too many freeloaders.

Like when I was laid off when we had our first son, I paid 100% of that. WE fed him, WE paid for his DR care, WE bought his clothing, housed him, bought his glasses. NO help from others, WE EARNED our way.

Now explain, how is it MY responsibility to pay for someone else's lives? Should they not cover their own lives? I will never have another child, can't happen. No need for me to cover those costs. I have different needs, and priorities, at this stage in life.

How can I cover those needs and responsibilities when it is no longer legal to do it? We are NOT able to buy insurance due to Obamacare. Our income is TOO low. Our $243, give or take, per month BEFORE Obamacare, is now more than $1800 per month. We USED to have access to over 200 policy choices, now there are 20. We USED to be able to cover the risks we face, now we cannot.

Does that enhance freedom or liberty?



You can enter any amount you estimate your income to be. I have no idea what happens when it's found to be lower than estimated to that degree. Medicaid ?
 
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usafk9

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Group is different than the government outlawing policies. AND, for the vast majority of our adult lives we have either paid all, or most, of the cost of our insurance. On top of that, many want it for FREE! At least in Europe EVERYONE pays taxes to cover socialism. Too many freeloaders.

Like when I was laid off when we had our first son, I paid 100% of that. WE fed him, WE paid for his DR care, WE bought his clothing, housed him, bought his glasses. NO help from others, WE EARNED our way.

Now explain, how is it MY responsibility to pay for someone else's lives? Should they not cover their own lives? I will never have another child, can't happen. No need for me to cover those costs. I have different needs, and priorities, at this stage in life.

How can I cover those needs and responsibilities when it is no longer legal to do it? We are NOT able to buy insurance due to Obamacare. Our income is TOO low. Our $243, give or take, per month BEFORE Obamacare, is now more than $1800 per month. We USED to have access to over 200 policy choices, now there are 20. We USED to be able to cover the risks we face, now we cannot.

Does that enhance freedom or liberty?

You're covered by the Veteran's Administration. The most expensive plan for your county, for your wife, is $950.96, and includes dental and vision. Where does the other $850 come from?
 

Pilgrim

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You either did not read the article or are incapable of understanding how insurance works. Or, perhaps, you want nothing to do with any sort of cooperative society.
Maybe that's the case in a nutshell. Take particular note of #3 (emphasis mine), and remember Obama's promise to "fundamentally transform" America.
SOCIALISM
noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.

3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

Socialism | Define Socialism at Dictionary.com
 

Pilgrim

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aquitted

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So.....did everyone who needed to sign up beat the deadline?

Yes I got my coverage but can no longer afford the good policy i had, it jumped from $200. a month to $500 a month so in order to keep it at $200. i got a 3,750 deductable and no dental and I can no longer afford the Crestor i'm supposed to take for high cholesterol. Oh and the insurance company says I have to send them a copy of either a birth certifacate or passport to prove i'm an american citizen or they will cancel my policy. It is what it is.
 

Pilgrim

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You either did not read the article or are incapable of understanding how insurance works. Or, perhaps, you want nothing to do with any sort of cooperative society.

Way to miss the point !
Maybe I did. Your point seems to be that you favor the socialist health care system advocated by the MSNBC article, and that some of us "are incapable of understanding how insurance works". If that's not your point, perhaps you'd like to clarify it. BTW, where did you get that "7 billion" figure??
 

OntarioVanMan

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Group is different than the government outlawing policies. AND, for the vast majority of our adult lives we have either paid all, or most, of the cost of our insurance. On top of that, many want it for FREE! At least in Europe EVERYONE pays taxes to cover socialism. Too many freeloaders.

Like when I was laid off when we had our first son, I paid 100% of that. WE fed him, WE paid for his DR care, WE bought his clothing, housed him, bought his glasses. NO help from others, WE EARNED our way.

Now explain, how is it MY responsibility to pay for someone else's lives? Should they not cover their own lives? I will never have another child, can't happen. No need for me to cover those costs. I have different needs, and priorities, at this stage in life.

How can I cover those needs and responsibilities when it is no longer legal to do it? We are NOT able to buy insurance due to Obamacare. Our income is TOO low. Our $243, give or take, per month BEFORE Obamacare, is now more than $1800 per month. We USED to have access to over 200 policy choices, now there are 20. We USED to be able to cover the risks we face, now we cannot.

Does that enhance freedom or liberty?

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You are da man Joe!! :)
 

ysracer

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Maybe I did. Your point seems to be that you favor the socialist health care system advocated by the MSNBC article, and that some of us "are incapable of understanding how insurance works". If that's not your point, perhaps you'd like to clarify it. BTW, where did you get that "7 billion" figure??



Although it wasn't directed to you...

Ysracer: "Or, perhaps, you want nothing to do with any sort of cooperative
society."

Pilgrim: "Maybe that's the case in a nutshell."

Ysracer: "Well, good luck, then. It's roughly 7 billion against one... "



Population of earth = roughly 7 billion people you are competing against if you want no part of a cooperative society. Or is that the number of ex-Penske cubes now expediting ?..... :)
 

aristotle

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Ysracer, no one on Earth belongs to a cooperative society totaling 7 billion people. It is difficult to get people to cooperate at a traffic light, let alone this "we are the world" collective imagined by some. Competition is omnipresent, cooperation not so much.

Co-op smacks too much of collectivism, socialism, communism and related left-wing philosophies. Moreover, the phrase "cooperative society" is redundant. The term society implies some basic level of order and organization within a community.

God and country. No one owes allegiance to the world, unless you are planning intergalactic travel.
 

cheri1122

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Good grief: "It's difficult to get people to cooperate at a traffic light"? Where are you driving, on race tracks?
Also: if 'co-op' smacks too much of collectivism, socialism, communism, et al, clearly no one told all the midwest farmers that - I don't think they'd be so willing to join all those co-ops I see all over in rural areas.
Communism and socialism had a lot of power to scare people back in the McCarthy era, but that power has dwindled to a mere joke, as we've seen how terribly it works in practice. The days when invoking it cowed Americans into submission are gone. When conservatives get the memo and quit proclaiming a threat where none exists, maybe we can figure out how to deal with what actually threatens our country and its people.
Our most revered document begins with "We, the people", a powerful reminder that no man is an island, and we really need to be a collective [all in the same boat] in order to make America a good place for all of us.
 
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ysracer

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Ysracer, no one on Earth belongs to a cooperative society totaling 7 billion people. It is difficult to get people to cooperate at a traffic light, let alone this "we are the world" collective imagined by some. Competition is omnipresent, cooperation not so much.

Co-op smacks too much of collectivism, socialism, communism and related left-wing philosophies. Moreover, the phrase "cooperative society" is redundant. The term society implies some basic level of order and organization within a community.

God and country. No one owes allegiance to the world, unless you are planning intergalactic travel.



You're pointing the wrong way.

God and country, eh ? You funny, Indy !
 
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