college loan?? vote like we tell you

[LDB]

So you want a college loan huh? No problem. Just sign these ballots voting for democrats and we'll see to it they go in the ballot box and the money goes to pay your tuition. What a bargain.

It's "an historic moment". The excitement fills the air. The thrill runs down the leg. Obama signs two more, one furthering takeover in healthcare and the other a takeover in education. Banks are now out of the process for college loans. Why have those who are in the business doing things when the government who never in a million years should be involved can take it over??? Expect lots of whispering and giggling and maybe even a "Marcia, Marcia, Marcia".

 

[aristotle]

Banks generally operate at a profit. We are watching the Obama administration wage war on profit. Success is evil. Egalitarianism shall have its day. Since we cannot lift the poor up, we shall tear the rich down. Regardless of effort or ability, there must be equal outcomes.

 

[chefdennis]

I posted on thi last week when they "tucked" it in the barrycare bill.....the gov will soon be making " community service" in barrys "ameri corp" a requirement for a loan.....they will also be "leveling the field" and putting minority students in the professional professions where there is a "inbalance" of them......

 

[Pilgrim]

There might be some private financial institutions that would welcome getting out of the student loan business:

"The U.S. Department of Education calculated three-year default rates for students in the Federal Family Education and Direct Loan programs. The data shows the percentage of borrowers who entered repayment between Oct. 1, 2006 and Sept. 30, 2007 and defaulted on their loans on or before Sept. 30, 2009. Schools classified as "proprietary," which are private, for-profit institutions, had a default rate of 21 percent. Public and private non-profit two-year schools had a rate of 16 percent. Public four-year schools had a rate of 7 percent, and private four-year non-profit schools had a rate of 6 percent." (Emphasis mine)

Student loan default rates - South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

Given the ineffeciency of the federal govt., wonder to what level the default rates will rise? Of course there's always the IRS to enforce collection.

 

[chefdennis]

Most of the loans are backed by the Fed and that i what barry used to justify this take over. he said at the signing that the fed has been trying to end this "sweetheart deal" for private bankers for decades....bs....BUT i wonder how long it will be before barry takes over the SBA loans from the private banks??? Thats the same deal as the school loans!?!?

 

[Turtle]

Since we cannot lift the poor up, we shall tear the rich down. Regardless of effort or ability, there must be equal outcomes.

All men a created equal. Liberals want to make them stay that way.

 

[aristotle]

This is the wickedness of socialism: it destroys personal initiative. Socialism is a disincentive to enterprising individuals. It stymies commerce, it browbeats the human spirit.

Capitalism coupled with a representative republic has done the most good for the most people. Yet, even this arrangement falls apart when government makes too many promises. We are near a tipping point in this experiment with freedom.

 

[FIS53]

Aristotle you got that wrong! Socialism does a lot for the enterprising vendors. It cause a real gambit of innovation and of course free spirited business. Look at the USSR an Poland as two glowing examples under communist rule of the innovation of retail vendors and their creative sales venues, marketing ideology and more. They used to call it the Black Market but it was the highest level of free enterprise you could imagine. The innovative ideas on beating the taxman were without doubt the best around of the industrialized nations as well as the fact that they readily accepted foreign currencies unlike the state run stores. I can't see how you can claim socialism causes a gross lack of new ideas and free business.
Rob

 

[layoutshooter]

Aristotle you got that wrong! Socialism does a lot for the enterprising vendors. It cause a real gambit of innovation and of course free spirited business. Look at the USSR an Poland as two glowing examples under communist rule of the innovation of retail vendors and their creative sales venues, marketing ideology and more. They used to call it the Black Market but it was the highest level of free enterprise you could imagine. The innovative ideas on beating the taxman were without doubt the best around of the industrialized nations as well as the fact that they readily accepted foreign currencies unlike the state run stores. I can't see how you can claim socialism causes a gross lack of new ideas and free business.
Rob

Because anyone caught engaging in those enterprises in those countries were shot. Those governments only allowed what suited their needs and the People be ****ed!!

 

[greg334]

Look at the USSR an Poland as two glowing examples under communist rule of the innovation of retail vendors and their creative sales venues, marketing ideology and more. ...

You are right, the black market was not only tolerated but rather promoted by the state officials. AND it will be the same thing here when we embrace it fully.

The soviets were great at allowing enterprising people to flurish, the best examples are those who learned how to make millions under Brezhnev and Andropov. Look at what happened in Hungary in the late 80's, with stolen technology and the help of the soviets, someone actually marketed a computer like the apple and made millions.

But a closer to home example is Gas. Unless you were a party official or a business owner with a permit to run your truck, you went to the edge of town and waited for a truck to pull over to get gas. Sure you paid three or four times the amount but you got gas.

THE PROBLEM is that this promotes corruption at all levels. In order for that enterprising person to get gas in the first place, he had to pay some party official who 'arranged' a meeting with a supplier who accidentally lost some 20,000 gallons a month from his tanks. That supplier also was paid pretty good to let the truck in the yard to park in a spot where the tank happened to leak.

Then you have the cops who know about the guy in the truck selling the gas on the side of the road, they get their cut to actually make sure two things happen - no one complains and no one tries to get the business, sort of cops working for organized crime.

But then you have the 'others' who look out for the guy in the truck, like the ones who get a small cut for telling the car owner where to get the gas; "Vladimir sent me".

Yep a great big jobs machine socialism is.

It is amazing that people don't get two big important issues;

Taxes have to go up even if the people are on the take because it is called greed.

and once these guys/gals get their jobs, they fight to stay there.

Even though the Soviets were masters at making people disappear under stalin, the true and real look into the how things worked came long after the "enemy of the state" period ended.

 

[letzrockexpress]

Ya know, a whole lot of people are throwing around the term "socialism" to describe what the Obama crew is up to these days...not just here but all over. The thing is, what is going on is not socialism. What they are doing gives socialism a bad name. It gives capitalism a bad name. It gives the idea of representative democracy a bad name. It is, however, not something exclusive to "Barry" or his current cast of con men. The concept of putting as many people as possible on the government nipple to buy their votes has been perpetrated on us since the dawn of social programs. What these street hustlers are up to goes way past that. Earmarks and pork barrel stuff are one thing, but this is almost unspeakable corruption. Bernie Madoff couldn't have pulled a better hustle. These guys aren't socialists. They aren't capitalists. They are foxes in the hen house, setting themselves up to take anything and everything they can. To concern ourselves with what form of government they envision for America is not even an issue. It's about lips on the nipple to keep themselves in power to keep the take coming. That isn't socialism. That is the highest level of Grand Larceny ever perpetrated on the world.

 

[layoutshooter]

You are 100% correct Rocket. This has been going on for YEARS. Social Security is just one fine example of which you are speaking. So is Medicare, Medicade, welfare and just about everything else these con artists are forcing on us.

We have only ourselves to blame. We keep voting them in, every election, without fail. If we do NOT make a major change in November and vote out as many of these bums as we can, we will in in REAL trouble. We must insure that they are NOT able to consolidate their power. They all must go, we MUST take back control.

 

[mjolnir131]

All men a created equal. Liberals want to make them stay that way.

I wish everybody would stop calling these people Liberals, they are not! Liberal thinking implies coming up with new idea's to solve old problems nothing more nothing less. The group who has usurp the Democratic party are the socialist left there is not a liberal bone in their bodies, there has not been a revolutionary idea brought forth in 40 years.

 

[layoutshooter]

More like 80 to 100 years. To try something different would require REMOVING social programs, completely. Adding too and expanding the ones that we now have has not worked in the past and will never work in the future.

ANY system that encourages weakness, rewards laziness and punishes success is DOOMED to failure. Mankind ALWAYS does best when challenged. To provide for Man kills His soul and cheapens His life. Sorry for not using PC terms for Mankind. Well, not really.

 

[greg334]

But see Layout, it is conditioning them to become wards of the state. Once real soviet style changes come about, then they will be the new labor pool that the government will tap because of their dependency and inability not to function or think without the government being there for them.

 

[layoutshooter]

But see Layout, it is conditioning them to become wards of the state. Once real soviet style changes come about, then they will be the new labor pool that the government will tap because of their dependency and inability not to function or think without the government being there for them.

I am glad I won't live to see that day, and I KNOW that it is coming.

A story, it tells the tale of which we speak:

When working the Soviet tank corps we often wondered about the "Red Flag" that flew on the radio antenna of command tank. The Soviets used 3 tank squads. Once, in a slip up, a command tank broadcast in the clear, stating to the effect that if the squad was to lose the "RED" tank they were to sit and wait until another "RED" tank took control of them, no matter what was going on around them.

That made our lives easier. We instructed our tank crews and pilots to only target the "RED" tanks, 3 for the price of one.

The Soviets teach out invention, personal motivation etc. The people are there only to serve the State. If they die in the process that is ok, as long as they never act on their own.

THAT is what we are headed for in this country. Just as in Soviet Russia, they will use force, if needed to insure that we adhere to THEIR dreams.

THAT is what some call Socialism can lead too. I don't call it socialism, I call it HELL!!

 

[greg334]

It reminds me of the NVKD officers who were told to shoot the army officers who questioned orders. Even the hint of a lack of confidence got you killed.

 

[layoutshooter]

It reminds me of the NVKD officers who were told to shoot the army officers who questioned orders. Even the hint of a lack of confidence got you killed.

The Soviet Army was FAMOUS for that.

 

[greg334]

A lot of that was stopped in the post stalin era but in Afghanistan I understand they used to send out groups of soldiers to bait the Afghans.

 

[layoutshooter]

A lot of that was stopped in the post stalin era but in Afghanistan I understand they used to send out groups of soldiers to bait the Afghans.

Yes they did. On a lighter note, this one is for all you women's libbers and liberals in general. Don't look to the left for equal fair treatment for women, you won't find it. You won't find any racial equality either, but hey, you all want this left wing stupidity, don't say I didn't warn you. Read below.

The Soviet Army did not like the "white" troops "mixing" with the native women when they were outside of Russia, like when in Mongolia. SO, they "drafted" good looking white women, gave them non-combat jobs, like radio operators and they ALL had a secondary MOS of HOOKER!! They were required to service the white troops as needed, in order of rank. Highest ranking officers first, then down to the lowest ranking enlisted last. On the bright side, abortions were FREE!!

When on the radio, during a shift when there was few people around, they would often talk about the other "work" they were doing. It was often very rauncy talk.