Break up of the USA and civil upheavals

[Moot]

In the good old days a true red, white and blue right wing patriotic zealot worth his/her weight in Newt Gingrich memorabilia would never read, quote or cut and paste from Pravda. Doing so would get you labeled as a left wing, gottyass commie pinko subversive hippie weirdo. Things sure have changed since January 20th, 2009.

 

[chefdennis]

No problem Relent, he also as another great one on being a Criminal, i'll dig it up and post it on a new thread, it should "T" a few off also..

If you are familiar with him then you know he is a sort of contemporary anarchist, he has real problems with authroity..

 

[LDB]

Doug, have you not noticed that in the last few years the "global warming" has done the exact opposite and because of that our zealots, Gore and company, have eliminated any reference to global warming? It is now "global climate change" you know. That's because they are wrong and covering their donkeys. It is a naturally occurring cyclical phenomenon that has and will occur for all time. Should we be sensible in our use of the planet and it's resources? Of course. Should we enact legislation that Obama's own CBO has identified as a financial mistake? Of course not.

Healthcare for everyone? What's not to like about such an idealistic goal? How seriously do you want it? What are you willing to do to get it? Are you willing to make English the official language and eliminate all bilingual and foreign language options and their costs? Are you willing to immediately eliminate all benefits to all criminal aliens? Are you willing to rescind past amnesties to criminal aliens and cut all benefits? Immediate and absolute elimination of all those costs would pay for most if not all of your healthcare program. None of those expenses should be placed on us.

So Doug, are you willing to forego the disastrous carbon tax and properly deal with criminal aliens to get your healthcare package?

 

[DougTravels]

Doug, have you not noticed that in the last few years the "global warming" has done the exact opposite and because of that our zealots, Gore and company, have eliminated any reference to global warming? It is now "global climate change" you know. That's because they are wrong and covering their donkeys. It is a naturally occurring cyclical phenomenon that has and will occur for all time. Should we be sensible in our use of the planet and it's resources? Of course. Should we enact legislation that Obama's own CBO has identified as a financial mistake? Of course not.

Healthcare for everyone? What's not to like about such an idealistic goal? How seriously do you want it? What are you willing to do to get it? Are you willing to make English the official language and eliminate all bilingual and foreign language options and their costs? Are you willing to immediately eliminate all benefits to all criminal aliens? Are you willing to rescind past amnesties to criminal aliens and cut all benefits? Immediate and absolute elimination of all those costs would pay for most if not all of your healthcare program. None of those expenses should be placed on us.

So Doug, are you willing to forego the disastrous carbon tax and properly deal with criminal aliens to get your healthcare package?

You don't believe in Global Warming (HAHAHAHA).

I think Engish is our official language, except in Texas. Why not make it the official language in your own state before worrying about the rest of us.

Criminal aliens should be deported.

I already stated what I believe on the Carbon
tax.

 

[DougTravels]

Gov't tells us what to do just about every waking moment????

What control are you referring to?

What rights have been taken from you?



You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan

Good questions!

 

[OntarioVanMan]

No..I belive in Climate change...yesterday it was sunny..to-day it is raining and tommorow might be warmer...who really knows...?
Granted it doesn't help throwing up all the garbage into the air that we do...but in the big picture mother nature does more harm with one volcano exploding then we can ever do....and she cleans it up very well naturally with no carbon tax to help her out....
It is all a mute point because if we don't nuke ourselves first in about 10 billion years and our sun goes super nova..Game Over!

 

[chefdennis]

Believe in global warming, nope...climate change, yeap...and man has nothing to do with it ...and since those in the business of weather are now saying we are cooling off and have been for a few yrs, this whole man made warming crap is just that crap....

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Believe in global warming, nope...climate change, yeap...and man has nothing to do with it ...and since those in the business of weather are now saying we are cooling off and have been for a few yrs, this whole man made warming crap is just that crap....

Dennis we do ....but mother nature will repair the damage...air born particles in big cities are a fact...Ozone damage also happens but in time it repairs itself....

Wanna help repair the earth faster? Plant a tree...low cost, very effective...

 

[chefdennis]

To say man as no affect on the climate, yea that isn't totally true, but it isn't enough to matter and yes mather nature can take care of herself... personally i think it is pretty arrogant of some to think we can destroy what the highest authority will destroy when he is ready too...until then, man isn't going to play major factor, who do we think we are?? God!?!?

Now lets see them attack that....

 

[OntarioVanMan]

To say man as no affect on the climate, yea that isn't totally true, but it isn't enough to matter and yes mather nature can take care of herself... personally i think it is pretty arrogant of some to think we can destroy what the highest authority will destroy when he is ready too...until then, man isn't going to play major factor, who do we think we are?? God!?!?

Now lets see them attack that....

Have you watched any of that series on the History channel....

Life after People....Cool stuff....

 

[layoutshooter]

So, IF I read you correctly, you BELIEVE in party politics as we have it today. You BELIEVE that the Dumb-O-Crats have had NO part in causing the problems that we have now. You BELIEVE that you are NOT able to run you OWN life and NEED the help of a benevolent kindly government to assist you since you are weak and incapable to fending for yourself. IF that is correct then you too are part of the problem.

As to what rights have been taken away, how about your RIGHT to the presumption of innocence? What about your RIGHT to BARE arms? Don't tell me it has not been taken away, in Michigan you have to ask for the governments permission to excerise that RIGHT!!

As to up coming controls, you will be told what kind of car you will be allowed to drive. Maybe now many miles a year you can drive. Taxed to to point of poverty.

I cannot imagine why you would want to let government control you like it is, how sad. I find it hard to imagine having that little faith in yourself or so little gumption.

I may be wrong and if I am I apologise, but you do sound very much like a "Party Hack". IF that is correct that DOES make you PART of the problem and an obstical to the solution. I had been giving you more credit than that. I might be forced to change my mind.

 

[chefdennis]

So back to the civil upheaval or "unrest" of the OP...if you think it isn't going to happen here, take a look at these quotes from a article on a ma & pa wilderness preperation site and see their prospective.

These are quotes from the article, it is too long to post here without breaking it up...if you care to read the complete article, click the link...you might get the idea that even avg ma & pa see it coming....

Preparing for civil unrest By Claire Wolfe 118

Preparing for civil unrest

By Claire Wolfe

The most remarkable thing about civil unrest is that there hasn't been more of it.

Politicians are making a hash of this country—and much of the rest of the civilized world. We know it. They know it. They know we know it. But we don't feel we can do anything much to stop them.

That right there is the pre-condition for civil unrest—when people are frustrated and politicians are nervous.

Worse, that was how things stood before last fall's crash. Before pols on both left and right launched the biggest mass transfer of wealth in history—transferring our wealth (what we had left of it!) to their friends on Wall Street and in the banking industry. In other words, that's how things were before things got bad!

Now everybody's talking about the ongoing catastrophe (even if we are in a momentarily sunny mood). But almost nobody is talking about the logical—maybe even inevitable—consequences of cynical or desperate politicians abusing an already fed-up populace: civil unrest.

I mean people taking to the streets. Or mass resistance. Or crackdowns because the government fears we might do something to upset its apple cart. It's going to happen. Somewhere. At some time. It's going to.

One of the few VIPs to mention the matter openly was Zbigniew Brzezinski, former National Security Advisor and the ultimate insider's insider. He commented on the millions of unemployed or soon-to-be-unemployed and the "...public awareness of this extraordinary wealth that was transferred to a few individuals at levels without historical precedent in America." He told "Morning Joe" Scarborough, "Hell, there could be even riots." I'd say that's an understatement

And what of the dozens and dozens of federal agencies that now have SWAT teams? Seriously, what justifies the Bureau of Land Management or the Department of Housing and Urban Development having paramilitary units?

I wouldn't consider a peaceful anti-war march to be civil unrest, for instance, but a police chief might. Similarly, I wouldn't consider acts of localized non-violent lawbreaking (like environmental activists chaining themselves to a tree) to be civil unrest; but a timber company official probably believes otherwise.

Civil unrest occurs when anger, frustration, or fear turn disruptive on a mass scale. Or when government officials crack down because they anticipate such disruptions. Crackdowns can lead to further frustration, leading to further crackdowns and so on—especially when the crackdowns look unwarranted and tyrannical.

In other words, civil unrest can arise from the anger of people or the folly of government or both together.

Anger over an unpopular policy, a new war, a collapse of the currency, panic over a pandemic, a food shortage, a bank run—anything like that could cause civil unrest, especially in a population that's already on edge and no longer trusts its authority figures.

We might resist having our premises tagged for NAIS or having our herds slaughtered for real or bogus health reasons. We might end up fighting evictions (as farmers and many rural dwellers have for centuries during hard times). We might be the ones who say, "Hell no, we won't go!" when the mobile vaccination van comes to town, or the ones who try to keep our neighbors from being rounded up and sent to camps. Times are uncertain. We simply don't know.

But in every case, preparedness, foreknowledge, and a cool head will come in handy.

Some of us already have lines in the sand that would inspire us to resist abuses of authority. And that, right there, is something our would-be masters fear—our disobedience. What will happen? And when? Nobody has a crystal ball. But the combination of public frustration and governmental apprehension is an explosive one. Someday, somebody will light the match.

I guess that there would be no reason to prep for civil unrest if people were concerned about it happening...and it is going to happen...

 

[layoutshooter]

So back to the civil upheaval or "unrest" of the OP...if you think it isn't going to happen here, take a look at these quotes from a article on a ma & pa wilderness preperation site and see their prospective.

These are quotes from the article, it is too long to post here without breaking it up...if you care to read the complete article, click the link...you might get the idea that even avg ma & pa see it coming....

Preparing for civil unrest By Claire Wolfe 118

Preparing for civil unrest

By Claire Wolfe





















I guess that there would be no reason to prep for civil unrest if people were concerned about it happening...and it is going to happen...

Dennis, I THINK that Doug believes that anyone who is concerned about what is going on is a LOON and just paranoid. I THINK that he either honestly believes in an all kowning, all controlling benevolent government OR is just trying to pull our chains. Which at least has the good effect of keeping post counts up and getting more hits for the advertisers on this site!!!

 

[aristotle]

Good questions!

Doug... let's look at the regulations you, as a commercial truckdriver, are required to obey 24 hours everyday. Got that little green rule book in your truck? All DOT regs have the power of law behind them. Do you keep a legit log book? Wear a seatbelt? Obey the speed limit? Obey traffic signs? Is your DOT medical card current? Do you ever drive beyond the 11 hour rule? Do you take the mandated 10 hour break? Got any contraband in your truck? How are those slack adjusters doing? All the clearance lights working on your box? Headlights and turn signals working? Brake lights working? Is your truck ever overweight? Is your cargo properly secured? Do you haul HazMat? Hundreds of important regulations there...

As a commercial driver, the government not only tells you what to do and how to do it, while awake... they even tell you when to sleep. All under the guise of public safety. There are so many rules and regulations, all having the force of law, one can never be sure if one is 100% compliant at all times.

Control?? Do you have any idea how many laws are on the books in the U S Code? Then there are tens of thousands of state laws to obey. Don't forget you are contolled by county and city law as well. City ordinances can be especially cute. Do you belong to a housing association? If so, you may be prevented from flying an American flag outside your home... the government isn't your friend or mine, regardless of which party is in power. Government is much too intrusive but never satisfied with the power we loan them. Power is vested in the government with the consent of the governed. Yet, I need their permission to build another room onto my home.

We Americans might be more tightly controlled than a peasant in China. We are cloaked, nearly smothered, in controlling regulations. We have the illusion of freedom, all the while kept on a very short leash.

 

[chefdennis]

I have said it before, anything here that is "opinion" means nothing...no one os going to change anyones mind and as for doug, his opinions are as irrelavent to me as i am sure mine are to him....

If anyone reads what anyone of us post and has a change of heart, more power to them, but that is not why we post, or at least not for me, i post to inform..to show whats going on on other pleaces that most don't get to...oh and has turtle said to "recruit"....

 

[layoutshooter]

Doug... let's look at the regulations you, as a commercial truckdriver, are required to obey 24 hours everyday. Got that little green rule book in your truck? All DOT regs have the power of law behind them. Do you keep a legit log book? Wear a seatbelt? Obey the speed limit? Obey traffic signs? Is your DOT medical card current? Do you ever drive beyond the 11 hour rule? Do you take the mandated 10 hour break? Got any contraband in your truck? How are those slack adjusters doing? All the clearance lights working on your box? Headlights and turn signals working? Brake lights working? Is your truck ever overweight? Is your cargo properly secured? Do you haul HazMat? Hundreds of important regulations there...

As a commercial driver, the government not only tells you what to do and how to do it, while awake... they even tell you when to sleep. All under the guise of public safety. There are so many rules and regulations, all having the force of law, one can never be sure if one is 100% compliant at all times.

Control?? Do you have any idea how many laws are on the books in the U S Code? Then there are tens of thousands of state laws to obey. Don't forget you are contolled by county and city law as well. City ordinances can be especially cute. Do you belong to a housing association? If so, you may be prevented from flying an American flag outside your home... the government isn't your friend or mine, regardless of which party is in power. Government is much too intrusive but never satisfied with the power we loan them. Power is vested in the government with the consent of the governed. Yet, I need their permission to build another room onto my home.

We Americans might be more tightly controlled than a peasant in China. We are cloaked, nearly smothered, in controlling regulations. We have the illusion of freedom, all the while kept on a very short leash.

And it is 100% OUR fault. As a people we have allowed this to occur.

 

[chefdennis]

Layout wrote:

And it is 100% OUR fault. As a people we have allowed this to occur.

That is 100% true.....We have let the Fed gov threaten us with not returning the tax dollars we pay to them back to our states to get what they want...as the line goes...follow the money....

 

[layoutshooter]

Layout wrote:



That is 100% true.....We have let the Fed gov threaten us with not returning the tax dollars we pay to them back to our states to get what they want...as the line goes...follow the money....

I do believe that the Government now believes that they now own the money and will only allow us to keep what THEY think that we need and tax away the rest. That is upside down from what it is suspossed to be. VERY dangerous times.

 

[DougTravels]

Internet Rambos make me laugh! Those little men in their paranoid heads are working overtime.

Go ahead join your militias, you sound like a bunch of Tim McVeighs anyway. Just remember if it comes to a fight the true Americans will fight too and not on your side.

I am not too worried, most of these guys are afraid to even type what they really want let alone act on it.

Maybe I could save you few (the paranoid minority) some keystrokes and sum up your fellings in a few words.

OBAMA WON WAHHHHH!!!

You say you want a revolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright

You say you got a real solution
Well you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright

You say you'll change the constitution
Well you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well you know
You better free your mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright

 

[Scuba]

Can any of you global warming nutcases tell me how paying an extra tax is going to help clean up the planet? Taxes almost never go to where they were intented. So just how is all of this money going to clean up the planet?