AWB closer then you think

chefdennis

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Yea osamaba believes in and supports 2A, just not as the founded intended it.....

Monday, January 05, 2009

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Storm Warning! Obama Will Attack...
Apparently I was wrong in my thinking that the Dems had been burned enough times on the gun issue that they'd wait until at least after the 2010 midterm elections before sticking their toe back into the parana pool.

Sources from Washington are telling me that President-Elect Obama may move forward on an Assault Weapons/Magazine Capacity Ban ASAP — maybe as soon as later this January.

Shooting Wire


Jim Shepherd at the SHOOTING WIRE is this morning also reporting similar rumors. This from Jim:
Despite the new administration's insistence that jobs and the economy will be the top priority beginning January 20, insiders say payback to the NRA and other pro-Second Amendment groups is high on the agenda. Democratic advisors say the Republican party is "disorganized, disheartened, and dissolving" and it's a good time for the incoming administration to take them on in a core issue - the assault weapons ban is one of three topics they're evaluating.

If the AWB is chosen, everyone expects a pitched battle with no quarter given.

If the attempt to pass this drastically-expanded AWB succeeds, the administration will have proven itself virtually unbeatable in matters of policy. They will also further fracture the Republican party and simultaneously serve notice on any pro-gun Democrats that they'd better get with the new program, too.
Here is the insider reasoning as explained to me:
1) Obama has taken a beating from the moonbat Left since they learned they elected the third Clinton administration instead of the Messiah; he needs to do something to rebuild his left-wing cred.
2) He has no, or very limited moves, on the economy; he can't raise taxes in the face of this brutal recession; it's awkward to pull troops out of a war that's apparently won; global warming has fallen off the radar as the snow continues to pile up...he needs a big flashy move, and we may well be that move.
3) The Republicans are disspirited and disorganized. The Blue Dog Dems are less likely to band together this early in his administration against an Obama move, lest they open themselves to a flaying by the faithful. The one Western Dem who might have proved a rallying point, Ken Salazar of Colorado, was tapped to head the Department of the Interior and taken out of play.
4) The gun lobby is as weak now as it is ever going to be during Obama's administration.
5) Obama has the opportunity to woo the few remaining Bush Republicans — remember, Bush always said he'd sign a new AWB — that a new AWB is "common-sense legislation."
6) Sources close to the Obama Transition Team acknowledge that a new AWB would burn a huge amount of political capital, but it will "drive a stake in the ground" to prove Obama means what he says about "change" regardless of consequences.


We can assume a huge spin-up from Brady and the VPC, with their fellow travelers in the MSM, leading the charge. On our side, the industry is moving at warp speed to finish preparations for the upcoming fight. At the very least, this is going to cost a fortune. If you are not now a member of the NRA, join. And be ready to open your wallets...yes, there's a recession and we're all hurting, but that is exactly what our enemies are betting on!


So anyone still think the incoming dems can't multi-task?

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Here is Jim Shepherds orginal article:

FEATURE

Shooting Wire


New Tactics Needed

In fifteen days, the firearms industry will find itself squarely in the gunsight of a new administration dedicated to the regulation of virtually everything related to guns, from so-called assault weapons to the elements used in ammunition. Regulation, incidentally, will be defined as "the regulation of everything, and the potential removal of anything we say you don't need."

The leaders of that assault, unfortunately, won't give a tinker's **** about the Second Amendment. Their long-term plans will address that piece of "outdated thinking". But a new political expediency will move firearms - more specifically their nebulous assault weapons -front and center.

The left continues to whine about being used and then cast aside by the new administration. Amazingly, the inclusion of pastor Rick Warren in the Obama inauguration ceremonies is being cited as irrefutable proof of the position.

Even more astounding, the complaints are getting serious traction in the politics and appearances above all segment of the incoming administration.

So, Democratic insiders are telling us the firearms industry will be used as an object lesson to both sides of the aisle.

To the left, it's the always-popular smackdown of a group of right-wing loonies (that's you and me, by the way) who want gunfights on the streets of our hometowns.

To the right, it will represent a little payback for the rhetoric that was taken very personally by the incoming administration. In other words, a little taste of the whip should keep both sides nicely in line.

In other words, last year's unquestioned gun salesman of the year -Barack Hussein Obama - will turn his attention toward a group that has been unrelenting in opposing him throughout his political career.

When that happens, a billion-dollar industry will take another body blow.

Despite the new administration's insistence that jobs and the economy will be the top priority beginning January 20, insiders say payback to the NRA and other pro-Second Amendment groups is high on the agenda. Democratic advisors say the Republican party is "disorganized, disheartened, and dissolving" and it's a good time for the incoming administration to take them on in a core issue - the assault weapons ban is one of three topics they're evaluating.

If the AWB is chosen, everyone expects a pitched battle with no quarter given.

If the attempt to pass this drastically-expanded AWB succeeds, the administration will have proven itself virtually unbeatable in matters of policy. They will also further fracture the Republican party and simultaneously serve notice on any pro-gun Democrats that they'd better get with the new program, too.

Last week, I spent a significant amount of time on the phone speaking with industry leaders about the word on the grapevine from Washington. There were mixed responses. One leader said his political advisors were hearing exactly the opposite- that the AWB was being pushed back to the "second Obama administration". Another said his advisors were getting both reports, but considered an assault on firearms "inevitable" whether now, 2010 or later.

In other words, industry leaders see the fight in terms of "when" and not "if".

At a time when the nation is suffering from economic problems, it may be time to consider a new countering-strategy. In the past, we've won key political and legislative fights based on the Constitution.

This time, I think it may be time to take a page from the James Carville playbook and remind everyone "It's the economy, stupid".

If this new administration goes after firearms, a billion-dollar industry that has never asked for a dime of bailouts and annually contributes hundreds of millions of dollars to conservation and environmental work via taxes will be hammered. That will most certainly result in lost jobs and tax revenues. Entire communities will be negatively impacted.

The Obama administration has said its number one priority will be the economy. I hope they keep that promise - and genuinely hope they are wildly successful at creating a renewed vibrancy. I also believe the firearms industry should be prepared on a moment's notice to clearly demonstrate to local and regional media that banning guns is tantamount to eliminating jobs in their areas.

Yesterday afternoon, I was a guest on Tom Gresham's Gun Talk radio and expressed my concerns about the incoming administration's expressed intent to pass a permanent assault weapons ban and go after firearms in general. When I did, a caller took me to task for what he characterized as an unrealistic viewpoint. After all, he said, Obama said during the election he supported the Second Amendment.

Personally, I'm more inclined to judge someone based on the things they have consistently done versus the positions they've taken during political campaigns.

From that perspective, I believe that fifteen days from today, Barack Hussein Obama, the man I jokingly refer to as the unwitting gun salesman of the decade, will place his hand on a Bible last used to administer the oath of office to Abraham Lincoln. He will raise his right hand and swear to uphold the laws of this nation - and its Constitution.

At that time, I also believe his administration will almost immediately seek to begin to dismantle or disregard any laws with which they disagree and embark on the total disenfranchisement of anyone who disagrees with their political positions.

That would include firearms owners and the firearms industry.

I'd love to be wrong.

--Jim Shepherd

Found on shootingwire in the archives, monday jan 5th
 

layoutshooter

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They VERY first act that Obama will do as President will be a total lie. He will swear to 'Protect and Defend" the Constitution of the United States. He does not believe in the Constitution or the country. Why would we think he would protect the 2nd Amendment or any other part of the "Bill of Rights" Once that bum is in office we will no longer have any rights. He and the Dumbecrats will turn our Nation over to the U.N. If we don't stand up and fight this goober we are done. Of course, many will say, give him a chance. Many don't give a d*mn what happens as long as they have thier "Brewskies" and the "game". If we lose our freedoms, I blame all of you who feel that way. The first Nation in the history of the earth to willingly give up freedom for slavery . What a sorry bunch of ...............
I refuse to use any worse laungage than those periods. I really hope that all of you "Dreamers" that voted for this "Scum Bag" relish when he starts his "Pruges" to get rid of us "Relics" Just remember, you are next. layoutshooter
 

Turtle

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Oh, yeah! Well, you're a .......... and a ......... not to mention a .............

So there.
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OntarioVanMan

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Assault weapons are not needed....Guns, rifles...Yes....

I do believe "Right to Bare arm" meaning the government can dictate which ones to bare.

And for that matter at the time the 2nd was written they had black powder arms.....maybe that is what should be allowed....it doesn't say up to date weapons?
 
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layoutshooter

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OVM, you are falling for the "Hype" of the Leftist news papers. There are NO legal assault rifles sold in this country. Period. There are Federal laws that define the meaning of an assault rifle and under those definitions there are none sold. IN fact, none have been sold since the 1930's. Remember, OVM, the purpose of our Constitution was to limit the power of the Federal government. The PEOPLE have the power, unless we give it away. The are a few people that do legally own assault weapons under a very hard to get collectors license and there has never been a crime committed by one of them. Of course the Dumbecrats are trying to get rid of that, to stop crime. And, in case you did not know it, the black powder rifle of the day WAS the assault weapon of that time. The "Crown" has always restricted the use of certian weapons to insure thier dominance over thier "Subjects" Those kinds of laws go all the way back to the crossbow days. I am subject to no one. HEY, I got an idea, whatever the Feds outlaw they have to give up, the police too. OH, that won't happen. The idea is to set up a "Police State" where the government controls your every move. I own several guns that will be classed as assault weapons if the Dumbecrats get thier way. They want EVERY semi-auto outlawed. They also want every hand gun outlawed. Well, they 'taint gonna get mine. Not without killing me. Layoutshooter
 

Turtle

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"I do believe "Right to Bare arm" meaning the government can dictate which ones to bare."

Spelling mistakes aside, that's a scary notion. A government of The People, by The People and for The People shouldn't be dictating squat. Like Layout said, the purpose of the Constitution is to limit the power of the government, not to allow the government to limit the power of the governed. We've already made a major mistake in allowing the government to restrict automatic weapons, and now that we've allowed them to start down that slippery slope, they're going after anything semi-automatic. Then they'll go after handguns, then all rifles, then shotguns, then slingshots and bows & arrows and finally, the dreaded water pistol. Either you have the right to bear arms, or you don't.
 

layoutshooter

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O.M.G.!!!! Turtle agrees with me? LOL. The world must be ending!! Cool!! I can stop all my payments then!!!!!!!!! Layoutshooter
 

Pilgrim

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Assault weapons are not needed....

Like depending on what the definition of "is" is, it depends on what their definition of "assault weapon" is. After the Democrat controlled congress finishes with the fine print, a water balloon could be banned for all we know. The wacko left's main objective is to prohibit private ownership of guns, and the AWB is their first step.
 

Turtle

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The problem stems from private ownership of military arms. They think hunting rifles is good enough, shotguns, maybe a few handguns. But not military weapons.

Then again, how can you possibly have a well regulated militia when you arm it with hunting weapons and then expect them to fight invading (or domestic, for that matter) armies who use modern, state of the art military weaponry?

Sure, no one needs a howitzer in their back yard for defense, but if someone were to attack me with an automatic assault rifle, I'd much prefer to defend myself with the same, rather than a single-shot, breach-loader .410 shotgun (that is, actually, the only weapon I own).

I'd love a howitzer, tho. I'd use it to hunt squirrels.
 

Tennesseahawk

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The problem stems from private ownership of military arms. They think hunting rifles is good enough, shotguns, maybe a few handguns. But not military weapons.

Then again, how can you possibly have a well regulated militia when you arm it with hunting weapons and then expect them to fight invading (or domestic, for that matter) armies who use modern, state of the art military weaponry?

Sure, no one needs a howitzer in their back yard for defense, but if someone were to attack me with an automatic assault rifle, I'd much prefer to defend myself with the same, rather than a single-shot, breach-loader .410 shotgun (that is, actually, the only weapon I own).

I'd love a howitzer, tho. I'd use it to hunt squirrels.

Exactly! How do they expect us to properly overthrow the government with hunting rifles and shotguns? Remember... the first thing a socialist government/dictatorship does when it gets in power is takes away the citizens' weapons.
 

chefdennis

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1st THEY, don't expect US to defend anythin or anyone including ourselves. Osamaba as already said he will put a civilian corps together that will be as well funded (thats a joke) armed as the military but to be used here in our homeland, so they don't plan on you having any weapons, period.

Now, This isn't simply about what some think an assault weapon might be. Here is the link to the proposed 2008 bill that is being considered by osamaba and the dems. You will find weapons listed there that are owned by law abiding citizens all over our country. While it won't be retroactive, how long before the gov decides that if you have any of those listed, you need to give them up? Good luck with that...., "Molon Labe"

Read it and weep......

H.R. 6257 [110th]: Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2008 (GovTrack.us)
 

layoutshooter

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You gonna give in? I'm not. If only 10% of the LEGAL gun owners stand up and fight that will be an army of over 8 million. Since most of us can either shoot as well or outshoot the military, it would be an interesting fight. I am not sure that the Army will fight in this country. I am sure that at least a very large percentage will not. It will not be pretty. By the way, one of the main reasons for the 2nd Amendments is for the citizens to be able to protect themselfs from THIS government becoming a tyrrani. Like it is. Layoutshooter
 

Tennesseahawk

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By the way, one of the main reasons for the 2nd Amendments is for the citizens to be able to protect themselfs from THIS government becoming a tyrrani. Like it is.

My point exactly. Shoulda known you'd pick up on it, Layout. ;)

Also, I believe it was Jefferson who expected there to be a revolt every 20 years or so, and the Constitution rewritten.
 

layoutshooter

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I think it was Jefferson but it was every 200 hundred years if I remember the quote. We are over due. Layoutshooter
 

chefdennis

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Here is the quote from Jefferson about

Famous Quote from Thomas Jefferson about a rebellion by the people to take back the government from the tyrants of the government, even "with the blood of patriots and tyrants"...

This was not in anyway a reference to rewriting the Constitution! The constitution was never considered a "living document", to be opened up and rewritten. It was written as the foundation for all men in our country to have the ability to CONTROL the government, not for the government to use to control the people. The fact that the founders new a rebellion would be needed spoke to the fact that the government would abuse the Constitution and by that abuse, abuse the people. So the rebellion was to simply take back our government and make sure that it was run as the constitution was written.

It is just that we , the american people gave our power away to the government and allowed it to abuse, ignore and basicially do away with the power we the people had, and the Constitution.

But for me personally, I have no issue with making an effort to take it back with the rebellion our founding fathers spoke of, thats why we have 2A.........:



"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...

And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
 

layoutshooter

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Glad you found it, I am not smart enough to find this stuff. I was WAY off on the years. IJ guess it's time. Layoutshooter
 

chefdennis

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it was no problem finding it, i have it on the wall of my home office!! I have folders full of quotes from our founders pertaining to the constitution, or liberites and 2A, from my time spent with the 2A foundation trying to make a difference...
 
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