Asian Carp
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What surprised me was the the Attorney was working on Sunday
Not sure how they are getting to Chicago waters?? I assume thru some river,,I haven't been able to find that out..
I'm also thinking if they found one, some already got thru and its to late now.???????
The fish are comming up the mississippi river from the south, In newspaper today it said the found DNA in Lake Michigan hope not it will ruin the great lakes.
arkjarhead
Veteran Expediter
These Asian Carp are no bull crap. They have taken over Lake Chicot in south east Arkansas. Not to long ago there was a boy skiing on Lake Chicot and a big Asian Carp jumped out of the water and hit him in the face. It knocked him out cold. When they got him to the hospital they said his jaw and chin plate were broken. They also said if he hadn't had braces on his teeth most likely they would have come out. I think they estimated from how long observers said the fish was that it weighed about 35 lbs. You don't want these things in your waterways.
What has happened down here is Catfish farmers have brought them in as algea eaters for the catfish ponds and they end op draining those ponds into the lakes, rivers, and creeks around here.
What has happened down here is Catfish farmers have brought them in as algea eaters for the catfish ponds and they end op draining those ponds into the lakes, rivers, and creeks around here.
Governors await date to discuss Asian carp
Great Lakes leaders, U.S. officials to meet
Great Lakes governors should learn this week when and where the Obama Administration plans to meet with them to address the Asian carp crisis.
Nancy Sutley, chairman of the White House Council on Environmental Quality, said in a letter Wednesday to Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm and Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle that she wants to convene a summit the first week of February in either the Great Lakes region or in Washington.
As of Friday afternoon, though, White House spokesman Amy Brundage said she had no date or anything further to add to Ms. Sutley's statement.
She and Ms. Granholm's spokesman, Megan Brown, declined to guess when the arrangements would be worked out.
"Clearly, we're pleased the Obama Administration understands the urgency of this issue, and look forward to meeting with them," Ms. Brown said.
The issue has made some Obama loyalists, including Democratic governors such as Ms. Granholm, Mr. Doyle, and Ted Strickland of Ohio, walk a political tightrope.
Asian carp have migrated north against the Mississippi River's current for years following their accidental escape from fish farms in Arkansas during a flood.
Recent DNA evidence shows they have slipped past a $9 million electrical barrier that was built to keep them out of a series of Chicago-area canals and waterways that connect the Mississippi to Lake Michigan.
Mr. Obama sided with his home state of Illinois and kept open two shipping locks between Lake Michigan and the Mississippi River to keep commerce moving. Fishing advocates see that as a risky gamble that could endanger the Great Lakes region's $7 billion fishery, an industry anchored here in the Toledo area.
Lake Erie has more fish than the other four Great Lakes combined, with its western basin between Monroe and Sandusky being by far the most biologically productive area.
Allison Kolodziej, a spokesman for Mr. Strickland, said he and his Cabinet members in Columbus are awaiting word.
Mr. Strickland, who is scheduled to deliver his annual State of the State address tomorrow, is "committed to doing anything it takes to protect Lake Erie," Ms. Kolodziej said.
Ms. Brown delicately explained Friday that Michigan agrees with environmental groups that have expressed displeasure with Mr. Obama's decision. Many of those groups, like Democratic governors, supported his ascension to the presidency.
One of the nation's leaders for registered pleasure boaters, Michigan led efforts to shut down the Chicago-area locks.
That effort was rebuffed Tuesday by the U.S. Supreme Court.
Meanwhile, a 17-member congressional delegation from Michigan stepped up its efforts Friday by calling on federal agencies to release their response plan no later than Feb. 5.
"As you know, the Asian carp poses one of the most serious threats to the Great Lakes to date," according to a joint letter sent to federal agency heads. "Should the carp get into the lakes, the ecological and economical damage would be devastating."
The letter stated that those members of Congress "are very alarmed at the length of time it is taking to formulate a comprehensive response plan."
toledoblade.com --
Great Lakes leaders, U.S. officials to meet
Great Lakes governors should learn this week when and where the Obama Administration plans to meet with them to address the Asian carp crisis.
Nancy Sutley, chairman of the White House Council on Environmental Quality, said in a letter Wednesday to Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm and Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle that she wants to convene a summit the first week of February in either the Great Lakes region or in Washington.
As of Friday afternoon, though, White House spokesman Amy Brundage said she had no date or anything further to add to Ms. Sutley's statement.
She and Ms. Granholm's spokesman, Megan Brown, declined to guess when the arrangements would be worked out.
"Clearly, we're pleased the Obama Administration understands the urgency of this issue, and look forward to meeting with them," Ms. Brown said.
The issue has made some Obama loyalists, including Democratic governors such as Ms. Granholm, Mr. Doyle, and Ted Strickland of Ohio, walk a political tightrope.
Asian carp have migrated north against the Mississippi River's current for years following their accidental escape from fish farms in Arkansas during a flood.
Recent DNA evidence shows they have slipped past a $9 million electrical barrier that was built to keep them out of a series of Chicago-area canals and waterways that connect the Mississippi to Lake Michigan.
Mr. Obama sided with his home state of Illinois and kept open two shipping locks between Lake Michigan and the Mississippi River to keep commerce moving. Fishing advocates see that as a risky gamble that could endanger the Great Lakes region's $7 billion fishery, an industry anchored here in the Toledo area.
Lake Erie has more fish than the other four Great Lakes combined, with its western basin between Monroe and Sandusky being by far the most biologically productive area.
Allison Kolodziej, a spokesman for Mr. Strickland, said he and his Cabinet members in Columbus are awaiting word.
Mr. Strickland, who is scheduled to deliver his annual State of the State address tomorrow, is "committed to doing anything it takes to protect Lake Erie," Ms. Kolodziej said.
Ms. Brown delicately explained Friday that Michigan agrees with environmental groups that have expressed displeasure with Mr. Obama's decision. Many of those groups, like Democratic governors, supported his ascension to the presidency.
One of the nation's leaders for registered pleasure boaters, Michigan led efforts to shut down the Chicago-area locks.
That effort was rebuffed Tuesday by the U.S. Supreme Court.
Meanwhile, a 17-member congressional delegation from Michigan stepped up its efforts Friday by calling on federal agencies to release their response plan no later than Feb. 5.
"As you know, the Asian carp poses one of the most serious threats to the Great Lakes to date," according to a joint letter sent to federal agency heads. "Should the carp get into the lakes, the ecological and economical damage would be devastating."
The letter stated that those members of Congress "are very alarmed at the length of time it is taking to formulate a comprehensive response plan."
toledoblade.com --
Follow the short term money. Politicians tend to do what those who pay their freight bill tell them to do. Obama pretends to be all for the environment but has not shown any idea that he truly is to date. If he does not do the smart thing and keeps the locks open it will be because he was told not to close them by big short time money thinking. He is, after all, just another puppet for the "PuppetMaster" to play with.
If he is allowed to close them it will not be because he is a wonderful evironmentalist, it would be because the "PuppetMaster" felt that he did not need those shipping lanes anyway.
If he is allowed to close them it will not be because he is a wonderful evironmentalist, it would be because the "PuppetMaster" felt that he did not need those shipping lanes anyway.
Jack_Berry
Moderator Emeritus
from my local fish wrapper today..... Home / News / Local News
Meeting will address Asian carp threat
Journal Times staff | Posted: Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:15 pm | (4) Comments
Font Size:Default font sizeLarger font size The threat of Asian carp making it into Lake Michigan has prompted the Obama administration to grant a request from several governors to hold a meeting to discuss the invasive fish.
Gov. Jim Doyle, as well as the governors of Michigan and Illinois, will be at the Feb. 8 meeting with Nancy Sutley, chair of the White House Council on Environmental Quality, and officials from the Environmental Protection Agency, United States Department of the Interior, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, and U.S. Coast Guard. The group will discuss strategies to combat the spread of Asian carp and ensure coordination and effective response across all levels of government.
Asian carp, an invasive species, have made their way into the Chicago River. From there, there is the potential for the fish to move into Lake Michigan, something that many worry could disrupt the lake's ecosystem. The large fish are aggressive feeders and would compete with other species for resources.
Wisconsin and Michigan have asked the U.S. Supreme Court to order Illinois to close shipping locks in the Chicago River, hoping that would keep the fish from making it into the lake. The court denied a request for an emergency closure of the locks, but has not yet ruled on the motion.
town used to host in july an event called salmon-a-rama. changed the name to the big fish bash.. i can just see it down the road changing the name to carpa drama. maybe with all the asian carp they can also have sushi an beni hana doing cooking demos.
Meeting will address Asian carp threat
Journal Times staff | Posted: Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:15 pm | (4) Comments
Font Size:Default font sizeLarger font size The threat of Asian carp making it into Lake Michigan has prompted the Obama administration to grant a request from several governors to hold a meeting to discuss the invasive fish.
Gov. Jim Doyle, as well as the governors of Michigan and Illinois, will be at the Feb. 8 meeting with Nancy Sutley, chair of the White House Council on Environmental Quality, and officials from the Environmental Protection Agency, United States Department of the Interior, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, and U.S. Coast Guard. The group will discuss strategies to combat the spread of Asian carp and ensure coordination and effective response across all levels of government.
Asian carp, an invasive species, have made their way into the Chicago River. From there, there is the potential for the fish to move into Lake Michigan, something that many worry could disrupt the lake's ecosystem. The large fish are aggressive feeders and would compete with other species for resources.
Wisconsin and Michigan have asked the U.S. Supreme Court to order Illinois to close shipping locks in the Chicago River, hoping that would keep the fish from making it into the lake. The court denied a request for an emergency closure of the locks, but has not yet ruled on the motion.
town used to host in july an event called salmon-a-rama. changed the name to the big fish bash.. i can just see it down the road changing the name to carpa drama. maybe with all the asian carp they can also have sushi an beni hana doing cooking demos.
We used to have big carp shooting turneys on the Lake every spring. They were not these monster carp but disruptive to the Lake as it is. They have scaled back on these over the years. Too many do-gooders protesting the shoots and today's kids are too lazy to do things outside. Shoot they even have to have TV commercials to encourage them to play outside, amazing.
Agencies weigh temporary closures of shipping locks to stop carp
BY TINA LAM
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER
The coalition of agencies responsible for battling Asian carp is at last considering temporary lock closures on the Chicago shipping canal leading to the Great Lakes.
Three scenarios are under study, which would close the locks from three days a week to two weeks out of every month, starting April 1. The most likely scenario, according to a posting today on the Army Corps of Engineers’ Web site, is closing two key locks near Chicago three to four days a week. The locks are now open seven days a week to barge traffic. During the days the locks are closed, the agencies would step up efforts to find Asian carp and stun them, net them or kill them with poison.
Until now, the agencies that are responsible for dealing with the threat of Asian carp have said that all options were on the table but have made no moves to close the locks. The Supreme Court rejected a motion by Michigan’s attorney general to immediately close the locks. The Army Corps of Engineers oversees operation of the locks.
“It’s a fairly significant shift,” said Joel Brammeier, president of the Alliance for the Great Lakes in Chicago. “I have to see more, but it’s nice to see we’re moving towards having a contingency strategy.”
Great Lakes protection groups have argued for the past decade that to stop invasive species from migrating, the shipping canal needs to be permanently separated from Lake Michigan. A long-term study on how and whether to do that is under way, but it could take several years.
The American Waterways Operators, representing barge operators, couldn’t be reached immediately for comment. The group has steadfastly opposed closing the locks and accused Michigan and other states of “carp hysteria” for wanting to close the locks even temporarily.
It’s not clear how long the off-and-on closure of the locks would last. The locks affected would be a lock at Navy Pier in downtown Chicago and the O’Brien lock, which leads to Lake Michigan and to the Calumet River.
DNA from Asian carp was found in December, although reported only on Jan. 19, in the Calumet harbor on Lake Michigan, and in the river leading to the harbor.
Agencies weigh temporary closures of shipping locks to stop carp | freep.com | Detroit Free Press
BY TINA LAM
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER
The coalition of agencies responsible for battling Asian carp is at last considering temporary lock closures on the Chicago shipping canal leading to the Great Lakes.
Three scenarios are under study, which would close the locks from three days a week to two weeks out of every month, starting April 1. The most likely scenario, according to a posting today on the Army Corps of Engineers’ Web site, is closing two key locks near Chicago three to four days a week. The locks are now open seven days a week to barge traffic. During the days the locks are closed, the agencies would step up efforts to find Asian carp and stun them, net them or kill them with poison.
Until now, the agencies that are responsible for dealing with the threat of Asian carp have said that all options were on the table but have made no moves to close the locks. The Supreme Court rejected a motion by Michigan’s attorney general to immediately close the locks. The Army Corps of Engineers oversees operation of the locks.
“It’s a fairly significant shift,” said Joel Brammeier, president of the Alliance for the Great Lakes in Chicago. “I have to see more, but it’s nice to see we’re moving towards having a contingency strategy.”
Great Lakes protection groups have argued for the past decade that to stop invasive species from migrating, the shipping canal needs to be permanently separated from Lake Michigan. A long-term study on how and whether to do that is under way, but it could take several years.
The American Waterways Operators, representing barge operators, couldn’t be reached immediately for comment. The group has steadfastly opposed closing the locks and accused Michigan and other states of “carp hysteria” for wanting to close the locks even temporarily.
It’s not clear how long the off-and-on closure of the locks would last. The locks affected would be a lock at Navy Pier in downtown Chicago and the O’Brien lock, which leads to Lake Michigan and to the Calumet River.
DNA from Asian carp was found in December, although reported only on Jan. 19, in the Calumet harbor on Lake Michigan, and in the river leading to the harbor.
Agencies weigh temporary closures of shipping locks to stop carp | freep.com | Detroit Free Press
They need to be closed and left closed until there is a sure fire way to keep those monsters out of the Lakes.
Asian carp negotiations with Justice Dept. getting us nowhere, Cox says
By TINA LAM
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER
Attorney General Mike Cox said settlement discussions this afternoon with the U.S. Department of Justice on his lawsuit to temporarily close Chicago locks and permanently close the Chicago canal went nowhere.
“They are in the unfortunate position of trying to defend the indefensible,” Cox said in a conference call with reporters.
Cox and attorney generals from other Great Lakes states had asked to be part of the White House summit Monday with governors on Asian carp, but were not invited. Instead, the Obama administration proposed today’s phone meeting with Cox and attorneys from Minnesota, New York, Wisconsin, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Cox wouldn’t discuss what was said because of court rules.
“We appreciate the opportunity to talk, but no headway was made,” he said. “We are still left with this policy which will wreak havoc on the Great Lakes.”
That policy, unveiled Monday, includes part-time lock closures, more testing for carp DNA, and more electrofishing, commercial harvesting, poisoning and netting of Asian carp found above the electric barrier in the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal. “There is no sense of urgency” in it, Cox said.
Cox filed suit in December to permanently close off the canal from Lake Michigan. An expert testified to members of Congress Tuesday that the canal serves as a direct link between the Great Lakes and Mississippi River basin, acting as a super-highway for invasive species in both directions.
“This is a superhighway that needs to be bombed, ripped up, closed,” Cox said. “It’s something we will not be able to undo once it happens.”
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This says it all. "“There is no sense of urgency” in it, Cox said."
By TINA LAM
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER
Attorney General Mike Cox said settlement discussions this afternoon with the U.S. Department of Justice on his lawsuit to temporarily close Chicago locks and permanently close the Chicago canal went nowhere.
“They are in the unfortunate position of trying to defend the indefensible,” Cox said in a conference call with reporters.
Cox and attorney generals from other Great Lakes states had asked to be part of the White House summit Monday with governors on Asian carp, but were not invited. Instead, the Obama administration proposed today’s phone meeting with Cox and attorneys from Minnesota, New York, Wisconsin, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Cox wouldn’t discuss what was said because of court rules.
“We appreciate the opportunity to talk, but no headway was made,” he said. “We are still left with this policy which will wreak havoc on the Great Lakes.”
That policy, unveiled Monday, includes part-time lock closures, more testing for carp DNA, and more electrofishing, commercial harvesting, poisoning and netting of Asian carp found above the electric barrier in the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal. “There is no sense of urgency” in it, Cox said.
Cox filed suit in December to permanently close off the canal from Lake Michigan. An expert testified to members of Congress Tuesday that the canal serves as a direct link between the Great Lakes and Mississippi River basin, acting as a super-highway for invasive species in both directions.
“This is a superhighway that needs to be bombed, ripped up, closed,” Cox said. “It’s something we will not be able to undo once it happens.”
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This says it all. "“There is no sense of urgency” in it, Cox said."
greg334
Veteran Expediter
The Army Corp of Engineers are confident that the technology means used to control the Carp will be the best solution but then again as one entertainer mentioned "... the question comes to mind that if the Army CoE can't control the levees in New Orleans' with the predictability with their politics is a given, how do they think they can control a fish which we know little about and that already is not easy to stop?"
ALL of these problems stem from Chicago/Illinois politics, they can close off all the canals and still have ways to get things moved - it's call a truck.
ALL of these problems stem from Chicago/Illinois politics, they can close off all the canals and still have ways to get things moved - it's call a truck.
The Corps of Engineers? Know what they are doing? What a joke. Obama, show his true evinronmental strips. What a joke.
I guess this has been said,,,I don't know this fish, except the carp I caught as a kid on the lakes in Chattanooga, tn. So now, if we or our fishing fleets can fish the oceans dry if they wanted to, is it impossible to try to fish the Asian Carp with the same fleet . Its a thought>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Who would pay for it? There is no true commercial market for the fish, carp in general for that matter. We, as a Nation, show no interest in restoring native species and eliminating invasive species. Our politicians and special interested groups talk a lot about improving our environment but, other than looking for ways to tax us and fight "global warming", they do nothing about things that we have a chance to fix.
Will the FDA allow their use? I don't know the oil content of this carp or how different it is to the other species that pollute our lakes and rivers but they don't use those either. I would love to see carp eliminated from our waters. It would do wonders for our local industries.
Jack_Berry
Moderator Emeritus
crap about Carp
from the chicago tribune today
Invasive Asian carp threaten lifeblood of Illinois River town - chicagotribune.com
from the chicago tribune today
Invasive Asian carp threaten lifeblood of Illinois River town - chicagotribune.com
