Another Step to Weaken Our National Defenses

chefdennis

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Yeap, Barry just keeps talking away our national defense, he truely is looking to weaken us to the point that we won't be able to defend ourselves. He offers a deal to Iran, and now with russia, he is "talking " to syria....all countries and governments that we can totally without question "Trust"......right....



Obama 'ready to drop shield plans for Russian help on Iran'

16:16 | 02/ 03/ 2009
MOSCOW, March 2
RIA Novosti - Russia - Obama 'ready to drop shield plans for Russian help on Iran'

Washington has told Moscow that Russian help in resolving Iran's nuclear program would make its missile shield plans for Europe unnecessary, a Russian daily said on Monday, citing White House sources.

U.S. President Barack Obama made the proposal on Iran in a letter to his Russian counterpart, Dmitry Medvedev, Kommersant said, referring to unidentified U.S. officials.

Iran's controversial nuclear program was cited by the U.S. as one of the reasons behind its plans to deploy a missile base in Poland and radar in the Czech Republic. The missile shield has been strongly opposed by Russia, which views it as a threat to its national security. The dispute has strained relations between the former Cold War rivals, already tense over a host of other differences.

The leaders have exchanged letters and had a telephone conversation since Obama was sworn into office in January, Kommersant said. The first high-level Russia-U.S. meeting will take place later this week, when Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov meets with U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in Geneva.

Moscow has not yet responded to the proposal by Obama, the paper said, adding that a decision was unlikely to be made during Lavrov and Clinton's meeting.

The issue is likely to be discussed when Obama and Medvedev meet in London on April 2 on the sidelines of the G20 summit of world leaders to address the financial crisis. Earlier reports said Medvedev had also invited the U.S. leader to visit Russia and the date of Obama's first visit to the largest country in the world could be announced in the British capital.

In an interview on Sunday with Spanish media, Medvedev said he hoped to discuss the issue of missile defense with Obama in London. He also said he hoped the new U.S. administration would display a "more creative approach" to the issue than its predecessors.

"We have received signals from our American colleagues," Medvedev said. "I expect those signals will turn into specific proposals. I hope to discuss the issue, which is extremely important for Europe, with U.S. President Barack Obama."

The United States and other Western nations suspect Tehran of secretly seeking nuclear weapons. Iran says its nuclear program is purely aimed at generating electricity. However, unlike his predecessor, George W. Bush, Obama has stated a preference for diplomatic efforts to resolve the dispute.

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said on the NBC television channel on Sunday that the Islamic Republic was not close to building a nuclear bomb. "They're not close to a stockpile, they're not close to a weapon at this point, and so there is some time," Gates said.

Gates also said that while more sanctions should be imposed against Iran, the door should not be closed to diplomacy.
 

layoutshooter

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This is a HUGE step in insurring more and larger attacks on the U.S., OR, putting us under control of the U.N. Osama Obama is NOT doing the job he is REQUIRED to do under the Constitution, that is to protect AND DEFEND!!! Obama does not believe in our Constitution or in a Free Republic. It seems that I have stated since day one that Obama has no idea what so ever on matters of defense. That is the result of hiring people with no practical life expereince. Many in here have said that I was wrong, that experience does not matter. Well, moves like this go a long way to proving I was right, on the defense matter for sure. Putting trust in Russia is a very very dangerous move. They are taking steps world wide to re-establish the old Soviet Union. In many ways Obama is working with them as he works hard to establish the United Soviet Socialist States of North America. You know the old saying: "Birds of a feather, flock together." Layoutshooter
 

chefdennis

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Layout wrote:

You know the old saying: "Birds of a feather, flock together."

Absolutely. He has to destroy our constitution , bill of Rights and this Country before he can "Change it and it foundation"

He wants nothing to do with our country as a REPUBLIC, just as a socialized nation where the government is in total control...

But you know, he has never hidden that fact, all along he has said he wants to "remake" amerika....
 

Pilgrim

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Remember his campaign speech to the group called Caucus for Priorities? Some people thought it was just campaign rhetoric, but he's serious about this stuff. Take the 90 seconds to watch this again - personally, I think these are promises he fully intends to keep. Notice that toward the end he states he will "negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert".

YouTube - Obama-Caucus4Priorities
 
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layoutshooter

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Osama Hussain Obama, the Captian of the 'Ship of Fools"!!! SOOO many fools fell for his garbage. I wonder if they will wake up in time or wake up one day and wonder what happened to "Thier" freedom. It's ok to take another man's freedom, like the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Just don't take away a freedom you want. It don't work that way Bubba. Give up one freedom and you lose the all. There is NO middle ground. You can freedom or oppression. Most of those who voted this past election voted for oppression. Your day is coming all you Obama Bums, thanks. Layoutshooter
 

chefdennis

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I have seen that video before and what stuckout for me is that fact that his last sentence starts at the 1:27 minute mark is a total lie......

" as president my sole priority for defense spending will be protecting the American people......."

This guy as no plans to protect the country, just weaken it to the point that we will be invaded again.....it is all in his plan to destroy our conutry and rebuilt it as a socialist state.....
 

layoutshooter

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You are correct and NOT as a free and soverian country. We will be under the thumb of the U.N., or worse. Our days as a free Republic are numbered and will be gone soon if we don't wake up and get rid of these anti-American criminals. Layoutshooter
 

layoutshooter

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Oh yea, by the way Barry,in my twenty years EXPERIENCE with the Defense Department of These United States of America we only openned the "Silo Doors" six times. The mission of the D.O.D. was always to keep our nukes, not on a "Hair Trigger", like Barry even knows what that means, but to insure that we: 1. never had to use them and 2. kept control of the situation and emotions so as NOT to be in a constant state of "Hair Trigger". Just the facts Barry. Too bad you just 'taint got a clue. Of course what do you expect from a "Man?" who does not even like his country and as all the experience of a kindergarden student. What a Putz. layoutshooter
 

layoutshooter

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Oh Yea, Barry, when did open the "Silo Doors" those six times they were NOT on a "Hair Trigger". They were very measured and calcutlated moves under the TOTAL control of the President AND with the full knowlege of the Soviet Union. We openned them in REPONSE to "things" that we saw from the Soviets or a situtation that was not clear as to what was going on. We openned them to "show" the Soviets that we were aware and ready while at the same time we were on the "RED PHONE" with Moscow working to either de-fuse the situation or clear up a mis-understanding. We did this under a show of strength and reslove, not a flag of truce. Layoutshooter
 

chefdennis

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Our country and republic needs to be destroyed as well as those that would resist. As long as there is a remenant of the Republic our founders gave us and a group that would resist his BS they need to be removed or destroyed. Barry can lower the living standards though his welfare programs and handouts to the entitlement crowd, he will then have them on his hand. Then he can lower our countries ability to defend itself through weaking our national defenses and offering to "work with those that would love nothing more then to see us as a young socialist state that will struggle until it collapses either by their hand with invasion or through the economic ruin Barry is setting in place. Either way he destroies the Republic and any resist , invasion is the easiest way because it will take his image out of the picture for the masses as he works with those invading parties..

Tin foil hat stuff? don't bet on it........The Republic needs to go before his total socialization of the country can work, Constitution be ****ed.......
 

layoutshooter

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Oh Yea Barry, Deplomacy with Iran? Thier idea of "deplomacy is to seize or blow-up embassies, not only inside thier boarders but anywhere they choose. The spoken word of civilization means nothing to those neandrathals. Of course, IF Barry had ANY experience in real world history, the military or deplomacy he would know that. Of course the first Lord J.C. (Jimmy Carter) did not listen to anyone with any real backround either. He trusted Iran too. The Putz. He WAS warned, he ignored those warnings and we are STILL paying the price for that stupidity. Barry listens well to his mentor. J.C. the 1st. We are in very serious trouble. Layoutshooter
 

finnjet

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Oh yea, by the way Barry,in my twenty years EXPERIENCE with the Defense Department of These United States of America we only openned the "Silo Doors" six times. "Hair Trigger", layoutshooter


You do not like this President, Who is that "right person" you like to run this USA? Is that MR. President of NEW WORLD or "Mobil Oil" or "Exxon Oil" for better choice. That is where we was going when we was under FREE REPUBLICAN puppet leader. But now power is sifted to correct direction of FREE PEOPLE. If you understand history of humankind we have ONLY 2 control and be controlled (slavery) forget politic and issues. I can give my ideas what is good for this FREE American people and why they are not need to be in slavery of new world order.
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chefdennis

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finnjet wrote:

I can give my ideas what is good for this FREE American people and why they are not need to be in slavery of new world order.

If you believe that people living under a Socialist form of government that Barry is working to put in place or that under the New Wold Order that you speak of, really are free, you really do need to take a look at history...there is no seperating polictics for life, im sorry to have to say that, but it is fact.....
 
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Pilgrim

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I've posted the link of Obama's campaign speech to the liberal group Caucus 4 Priorities several times because I believe that as he spells out this brief shopping list of things he intends to accomplish, the true radically liberal novice politician is on full display. I also believe these goals he outlines are not campaign noise - he is deathly serious about accomplishing these things and they give us a good look at his worldview. This guy is naive and dangerous - he truly believes he can negotiate away the challenges from Iran, Russia, Islamic terrorists and any other threats to our nation's security. We're looking at the rise of a cheap imitation of Neville Chamberlain, without the experience or intellect and no Winston Churchill to come to the rescue.

He not only strives to weaken our economy with paralyzing debt and disincentives to businesses, he also starts the wheels turning to weaken our military capability. No doubt our enemies are watching and rubbing their hands with glee, planning their next attack to coincide with the bottoming out of the stock market and the economy. Remember the downturn after 911? What do you think a major attack would do to us in such a vulnerable economic condition? I doubt the results would be the same type of recovery we saw after the attack on Pearl Harbor.
 

layoutshooter

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Ok, FinnJet, first, welcome to the forum. We enjoy new "meat" to argue with!!! LOL I don't like Obama for about a zillion reasons. I don't like socialism. I don't like his total dis-reguard of our Constititution. His anti-gun, anti-hunting stances. His baby killing. His total lack of ANY kind of life experiance. NO ONE running this time that really had a chance interested me. McCain/Palin had way more experiance that Obama/Biden but McCain is way to liberal. Biden is a criminal as Obama most likely is. I did not really care for Bush and I can honestly say that I have NEVER ONCE voted for ANYONE that was running for President. I most likely never will. I don't like the Dumb-O-Crats or the Re-Bum-Licans. Both parties suck. As to this tread. I have more military/intelligence experiance than Obama/Biden/Clinton/Palin COMBINED. That is just a very cold hard fact. What I said above IS what happened. I have no criminal record like Biden. I have not admitted to comitting felonies as Hilary did during the election and un-like Obama, I have held real jobs. As to who I would have like to have seen run would have been Jerry Curry for President. Look him up. He actually did "REAL" things in his life. I don't know who I would have liked to have seen for VP, Allen Keyes maybe? Just not sure. Obama is a marxist. Marxists enslave. Just look at Eastern Europe. It is starting again only this time Obama will support the Scum in Russina, China, Iran, North Korea etc. His is one in the same with them.
 

greg334

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You do not like this President, Who is that "right person" you like to run this USA? Is that MR. President of NEW WORLD or "Mobil Oil" or "Exxon Oil" for better choice.
Finnjet, really… are you serious? I would take the CEO of Mobile Exxon any day over what we have had and what we have now.


That is where we was going when we was under FREE REPUBLICAN puppet leader.
Now don’t you think that the puppet leader is Obama himself?

Seriously, he has to answer to someone to get him in the place he now calls his job – it wasn’t done without some serious help and coordination. Maybe Soros or say some group outside of this country?

I see that the media (AP and Reuters both) talked about his past today and included the words “Domestic Terrorist” to describe Bill Ayres. Now that the defense is not needed the press stopped using the “forbidden words” list.

But now power is sifted to correct direction of FREE PEOPLE. If you understand history of humankind we have ONLY 2 control and be controlled (slavery) forget politic and issues. I can give my ideas what is good for this FREE American people and why they are not need to be in slavery of new world order.
But again, you don’t seem to understand the importance of Obama and his administration.

The power has shifted away from THE PEOPLE and into the hands of people who have a two part agenda, to destroy things they hold in contempt and to gain absolute power while doing it. You can take almost anyone on his staff, or in his cabinet or some of the Secretaries of these departments and trace back unethical acts that they did. Purposeful tax evasion sticks in my mind.

For example, maybe you don’t see this or understand this but California citizens, their voters; the people passed a constitutional amendment over the issue of Gay Marriages. The issue of Gay Marriages doesn’t matter but what matters is that again their VOTES are being challenged in court to get a constitutional amendment overturned. Now you may not think much of this but it shows that we are on a serious track to disaster because the voters of California are faced with losing their state to a small minority (the government) and they should be fighting in the streets over their right to vote being taken away. There is something that has to be considered when this happens, removing the people who represent you by any means and replacing them. I mean non-violent means. THEN impeach the judges.

Well anywho,

I think that Obama’s move with the missile shield is somewhat in the right direction. It has to do with the political nature of the Russians and how this backs off our position a bit to allow more dialog to take place. Putin offered to host the missile shield at one time and it was rejected, mainly because of the sales of material and arms to Iran. His position in the eyes of his people has to remain strong, he has been humiliated by the US with other issues and many of us tend to forget the Russians have a bigger problem with Islamic extremist than other counties do and I think they are setting themselves up to deal with bigger threats from Iran through Chechnya and their southern borders. They already have had problems brewing with some internal attacks that are filtered in the press so I would think that Obama’s move is to get them to be more cooperative and then promote some cooperation seems to be the right move.

By the by, I don’t think we have deployed any missile shield in Poland or in Greenland.
 

layoutshooter

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Very interesting take on Putin and the missle shield Greg. It kinda goes against everything
that I learned over my 20 years in that business, but you never know. We shall see. It is my belief that Putin is getting into bed WITH Iran and China. They will be forming a new "Soviet" style bloc that will be even more powerful and have a much larger land mass than the first. I do know that the Soviets were very much involed with the attempts to overthrow the Shaw. They wanted access to the oil fields in Iran AND a warm water port. They have it now. I would not be surpised to see the Russians start to sell Iran OFFENSIVE weapons, I.E. ballistic missles. They are already working on a sale of ground-to-air missles. I would even bet, no way to prove it, that they have some of thier "nuke scienctists" in Iran helping them move toward the day they build thier own nukes. Anywho, that is my take on it. Just giving you another thought to think about. Layoutshooter
 

greg334

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Well this is what I gathered from the events from November on, and you and I understand what some of the Russian mindset is. The problem with Iran is that Russia, more specifically Putin, sees an unstable country which it is. The thing is and I know many will say I am full of it, the thing is we went into Iraq to stabilize the region and to change it from within but with the intention of having a soft revolution in Iran. As I said before, Iraq has been a success story, you talk to Iraqis and they can tell you all the successes that have happen, their economy is strong, small businesses are booming and so on. When the people of Iran see this and I can guarantee you they do, they want that success and freedoms. The Iranians tell us that if we attack they will defend their country, Persian pride but if we help them change it, they will help us. Right now there is a lot going on inside Iran that we don't hear about because of our media and it has been triggered by Iraq and our changing their government.

Russia on the other hand knows what is going on, their rhetoric has been purly defensive since we have gone into Iraq and made our presents known. They are p*ssed off at the Poles who supported our mission (I think they are still there) and they know that if Iran falls, they can't go in and support the regime as it is today because of the people will bleed them like they were blead in Afghanistan.

Oh and what is worst for Russia is if Iran gets nukes and uses them in the middle east. The short term would be a large spike in oil prices followed by a collapse in the world economy, and right now their economy is worst than our and on the verge of collapsing (and then Putin will have to be worried).

If you get a chance, read Taubmans book on Khrushchev to see what was going on behind the scenes with both the U2 affiar and the Cuban Missile crisis and you will see what I mean.
 

iceroadtrucker

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I've posted the link of Obama's campaign speech to the liberal group Caucus 4 Priorities several times because I believe that as he spells out this brief shopping list of things he intends to accomplish, the true radically liberal novice politician is on full display. I also believe these goals he outlines are not campaign noise - he is deathly serious about accomplishing these things and they give us a good look at his worldview. This guy is naive and dangerous - he truly believes he can negotiate away the challenges from Iran, Russia, Islamic terrorists and any other threats to our nation's security. We're looking at the rise of a cheap imitation of Neville Chamberlain, without the experience or intellect and no Winston Churchill to come to the rescue.

He not only strives to weaken our economy with paralyzing debt and disincentives to businesses, he also starts the wheels turning to weaken our military capability. No doubt our enemies are watching and rubbing their hands with glee, planning their next attack to coincide with the bottoming out of the stock market and the economy. Remember the downturn after 911? What do you think a major attack would do to us in such a vulnerable economic condition? I doubt the results would be the same type of recovery we saw after the attack on Pearl Harbor.


So you believe in the Ho ha this morning on the radio of change that will come from a Republic and Democracy of now, Changing it into that of Galactic Empire so as was said on Talk radio channel this morning. (I started laughing.. ) as they not only Quoted and stole the bit from the "Movie Stars Emperor Pal patine" lines. But vividly used it as a discussion piece to stir the pot so to speak.

Give me a Break. OK so we here the Cheers as it's the Death of the Republic and Democracy as we know it and the Congress and Senate Will give Special Powers to the New Chancellor? I shake my Head in disbelief.

Sad Sad is the days to come.

Reality Check Please!!!!:cool:
 
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hdxpedx

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Layout's backbone response seem's to have scared away the lib.."Big oil" my my -- TRY---OBUMER LIED THE ECONOMY DIED!!
 
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