A conundrum - Competing with China - they have no capital gains tax

Dreammaker

Seasoned Expediter
Per Larry Kudlow in this article: RealClearPolitics - The Road to Economic Demoralization -- Washington Is Going the Wrong Way, China has no capital gains tax and a corporate tax of 15 to 20%. The U.S. is raising the capital gains tax to 20% and has a top corporate tax of 40%. China refuses to be saddled with any energy related cap and trade schemes while our current administration and congress seem determined to force our industrial base to invest billions of dollars to lower the earth's temperature by 1/10 of a degree. So, how is this all going to work out? How is this going to promote job growth and new industry in the U.S.?

Here are some of Mr. Kudlow's remarks:

But let's first look to the China story.

We know that China is already our principal banker, to the tune of nearly $1 trillion. As President Obama's record spending and borrowing continues -- he'll be the greatest bond salesman in American history -- our financial reliance on China grows daily. But that's not all.

Fortune magazine recently reported that the number of U.S.
companies in the world's top 500 fell to the lowest level ever, while more Chinese firms than ever made the list. Thirty-seven Chinese companies now rank in the top 500, including nine new entries. Meanwhile, the number of U.S. firms has fallen to 140, the lowest total since Fortune began the list in 1995. This is not good.

China also surpassed the United States as the world's biggest automaker in the first half of 2009, with June sales soaring 36.5 percent from a year earlier. The Chinese registered 6.1 million car sales for the first half of the year. That way outpaced American sales, which were only
4.8 million.

And China has no capital-gains tax. It only has a 15 to 20 percent corporate tax. The United States, on the other hand, is raising its cap-gains tax rate to 20 percent. It's also increasing its top personal tax rates.

In fact, the scheduled income-tax hike along with a much-discussed 4 percent health-care surtax will balloon the top U.S. tax rate all the way to 51 percent. And there's more. In order to finance so-called health-care reform, congressional Democrats are now talking about raising the tax rate on capital gains and dividends by another 1.5 percent, while installing a value-added tax (VAT) that would begin at 1.5 percent.

So top tax rates in the United States may edge into the mid-50 percent range. Compare that to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) average of only 42 percent. And when those tax hikes kick in, the top U.S. tax rate will rank above that of France, Germany and Italy.
That can't be good.

Incidentally, our 40 percent corporate tax rate is already almost 15 percentage points higher than the corporate rates in most of Europe.

Washington's enormous expansion of the state-, local- and federal-government spending share of gross domestic product to over 40 percent -- including Bailout Nation, TARP and takeovers in numerous industries -- is eerily reminiscent of Old Europe's old policies. And in an ironic twist, Europe seems to be moving toward a lower tax-spend-and-regulate, Reagan-type approach, while the United States is regressing to the failed socialist model of Old Europe. This makes no sense.

Higher tax rates undermine the incentive model of growth. At the margin, investment risk and work effort become less rewarding. On top of this, Obama's regulatory moves toward greater government control of the economy will further drown animal spirits in a sea of red tape born of bureaucratic officialdom.

Think about this in terms of the threat to nationalize heath care, which is over 15 percent of the economy. Additionally, Washington's cap-and-trade proposals will essentially nationalize the entire energy sector -- another 15 percent of the economy -- sending long tentacles into every nook of the economy that's impacted by energy, which is virtually everything.

And all this comes on top of the U.S. government's takeover of auto companies, banks, AIG, Fannie and Freddie. Instead of Schumpeterian gales of creative destruction, we're on the road to economic demoralization.

Here's the clincher: Year-to-date, Dow Jones stocks are off 8 percent, while China stocks are up 71 percent. The world index is up 4 percent. Emerging markets are up 25 percent. They're all beating us. None of this is good.

We're going the wrong way. That's why stock markets are not voting for the United States any more.
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
On taxes and captive trade law the Chinese are no fools. The fools are all in Washington on the left side of the aisle.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Add into the mix that corporations who move parts or all of their operations offshore get tax breaks for doing so, and when you look at what Congress has done over the last few decades, one could make an argument for a systematically implemented form of fiscal attack on our sovereignty, and when you consider who is doing it, a very real argument can be made for treason.
 

Dreammaker

Seasoned Expediter
Add into the mix that corporations who move parts or all of their operations offshore get tax breaks for doing so, and when you look at what Congress has done over the last few decades, one could make an argument for a systematically implemented form of fiscal attack on our sovereignty, and when you consider who is doing it, a very real argument can be made for treason.

Treason

American Heritage Dictionary (2)

1. noun Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
2. noun A betrayal of trust or confidence.

I can see how you could make such an argument.
 
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layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
The movement that we call the "Left" has been planning the demise of our Nation since around 1919. They have been working slowly but surely towards what we have today. I would be investigating Obama, the Clintons and many others in our government on treason charges. What we see today is NOT an accident. :mad:
 

Dreammaker

Seasoned Expediter
George Will asks a similar question:

Will a person or institution looking for a place to invest $1 billion seek opportunities in the United States, where policy decisions are deliberately increasing taxes, debt, regulations and the cost of energy, and soon will increase the cost of borrowing and hiring? Or will the investor look at, say, India. It is the least urbanized major country -- 70 percent of Indians live in rural areas, 50 percent on farms -- so the modernizing and productivity-enhancing movement from the countryside to the city is in its infancy. This nation of 1.2 billion people has a savings rate of 25 percent to 30 percent, and fewer than 20 million credit cards. Which nation, India or the United States, is apt to have the higher economic growth over the next decade?

For more, see: RealClearPolitics - Higher Taxes, Anyone?.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
This is from the comments part of that post.
By Paulthiel1

Maybe someone (especially some of our "progressive" friends) can help me.

Here is what I need to do to hire a US worker:

Interview a variety of people to make sure I am in compliance with EEOC regulations. After I find someone, I need to get them to fill out I-9 and W-4 forms. I need to file these forms with the government and have them on hand in case I get audited. Now, I need to pay the employee. In addition to their pay, I need to collect FICA, FUTA, SUTA, Workers Comp. Fortunately, I live in Texas, so there are no state, county, or city taxes to also collect and remit. Each quarter, I need to file form 941 and annually, form 945 with the IRS. The IRS can then audit me and tell me that I've done something wrong in this and @#$%& penalties and interest. To be safe, I'm probably going to need to retain the services of a CPA and/or attorney to make sure I am doing all this right. Now I've got the person hired, if they don't work out and I need to let them go, my SUTA and FUTA taxes will go up. Soon, I'll also have to worry about providing health insurance for employees as well.

If I hire an Indian worker, I cut them a check each month.

Oh, and the Indian is about 1/3 the price.

Could someone please help me and explain why I should go for the US worker? Patriotism alone is not a sufficient reason since the first non-patriotic competitor will drive me out of business.

This isn't a hypothetical question.

I really am trying to find a reason to hire the American. If, however, nobody can give me a good solid reason, I'm going to hire the Indian worker and avoid the self-imposed hoops our government makes me jump through.

This really shows the bigger part of the problem, it is actually how the enterprise zones seem to work along our southern border. But the one thing that we can do here is look at the Fair Tax realistically.
 
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