2k to 3000mi a weak lease
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guido4475
Not a Member
I'dsay you have your expectations set a little high, there pardner...
As far as youre vehicle is concerned, are you sure you can carry that kind of weight in it? Ever have it weighed, full of gas/fuel, with you and youre belongings in it,and then subtract that total weight from the gvw to give you the correct amount that you can carry.
The reason I am asking is that I have a freind who just sold his GMC drw 15' cube on account of the empty weight being so high that he was only able to carry around 1,100 pounds of freight at the most.His was a 10,000 gvw Penske unit. Might want to check this out before Michigan gets you like they did him...,Just sayin'
Mike99
Veteran Expediter
Please let us know if you find that company.
2000 miles a week, week after week, some more, some less, over the course of 50 weeks, is 100,000 loaded miles in a year.
3000 miles a week, week after week, some more, some less, over the course of 50 weeks, is 150,000 loaded miles in a year.
Good luck with that.
3000 miles a week, week after week, some more, some less, over the course of 50 weeks, is 150,000 loaded miles in a year.
Good luck with that.
Mike99
Veteran Expediter
No offense but why do you not go and work for that companies? In my opinion is no expedite companies who can give you average 2-3000 miles per week. And trust me ,I worked with some ... Now average 1500-2000 miles per week, maybe.
Mike99
Veteran Expediter
I have cargo vans and box vans to . No more loads for the box vans. They burn much more gas ,they slower, and the maintenance cost me more. .. I will never buy any box van in my life.
Brisco
Expert Expediter
You don't "get it", do ya?
No Scales and No Logging is for anything under 10K GVWR.
So you say your cube van has a 10K GVWR, and after all your "empty/dry" weight is added up, you say you can haul 2500lbs.
Then you give your measurements above, 15ft 1, 7ft 4 blah blah, and then spout off 6 pallets. Sorry, hate to tell you, but I've never seen 6 pallets weighing in at 3-400 lbs a piece before, of which is the weight they have to average to fit in your "cube". In my years of shipping YEARS ago, pallet weights were in the 500-800-1000 lb range, depending what was on them. That's why most carriers require a "2 pallet area" AND the ability to carry weights up to "2000-2500lbs".
Plus, the truck you have is built on a light duty 3500 chassis. Probably 60-70% of the carrying capacity is already used up for the box alone. Those trucks really were not meant for, nor designed to be used, in a "commercial capacity". They were designed to be used to haul light weight stuff. IE- Grandmas 40 year old couch and a couple of her coffee tables, and so on. Don't believe me, go load 6 pallets weighing in at 6-700 lbs each, drive it across town, and then come back here and tell us how the trip went.
Read the board, go back years and years, to try to get an idea at exactly what capacity these Cargo Vans/Cube Trucks are used in/for, OK.
yayashas
Seasoned Expediter
What is average pay per mile for Cube van is it same as CV sprinter or more?
CharlesD
Expert Expediter
Same as van or Sprinter rates, depending on what you're hauling.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Well then you must never have seen boxed & palletized plastic automotive trim panels ....
I had one load I hauled in my Sprinter which was 6 pallets (at least) - we broke them down at the shipper and crammed it all in .... up to the ceiling .... and then stuck the pallets in on the sides, standing up - so it could re-palletized at the cons ...
IIRC, the entire load didn't but about 800 lbs ..... or less ... and the pallets themselves were probably the majority of that ....
Jus' sayin' ....
BTW, No Scales and No Logging is for anything under 10,001 lbs - NOT under 10K GVWR .....
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Brisco
Expert Expediter
Guess if we're getting specific here, I'm quite sure 6 pallets of Ping Pong Balls could weigh in under 1000lbs too. But, if you lined up 275 pallets of "normal palletized" freight and weighed each one one by one, you might get lucky and find 10 pallets weighing in at 2-300 lbs to appease the OP in his quest to be able to load 6 pallets and stay under 10K, OOOPSS! Sorry, 10,001 GVWR AND total weight overall.
Sorry, guess you need study up on your DOT Regs there RLent.
If your truck has a 12,200 GVWR, as my Dodge 1 ton Cummins Duallys have, and you're not under load, IE-no trailer attached to your truck, and your truck is weighing in at about 7500lbs with you in it and 52 gallons of fuel, then YES, you are still required to LOG and STOP AT SCALES, period. In certain states of course. Like here in Texas, you can fly by the coops unloaded and they aren't going to chase you down. But let's say you're flying through Arizona or New Mexico in a 1 ton dually, no trailer attached, and with your DOT #'s visible, and you fly by a coop, you possible could get chased down. If it happens, you better have your LOG BOOK up to date, know what I mean.
DOT Regs are not "Weight" specific, they do go by GVWR's. Look it up, study it, someday you'll learn the ins and outs of DOT/FMSCA rules and regs.
BTW, this isn't the first time you've spoke up and spouted off misinformation concerning rules and regs, is it? Like I said months ago, someday you'll be a "real trucker", it's just going to take a little more time.
Actually, if you read his statement carefully, what he said is the same thing you said. He differentiated between 10,001 and 10,000, and he's correct in that there's no logging and no scaling for anything under 10,001, not 10,000. I think your original statement was "No Scales and No Logging is for anything under 10K GVWR," and that's incorrect, as RLENT noted. It's 10,001 GVWR, not 10K GVWR. That's OK, tho, it's a rookie mistake that many people make.
Also, in expediting, there's really no such thing as "normal palletized" freight. Exclusive use of the truck and emergency shipments often mean things are across the board insofar as "normal" weight is concerned. My last 6 loads, for example, 4 of them have been pallets that weighed less than 200 pounds each. Two of those loads were two skids, one was three skids, the other was a single skid. One load was 280 pounds. And one was 2900 on a single skid.
Also, in expediting, there's really no such thing as "normal palletized" freight. Exclusive use of the truck and emergency shipments often mean things are across the board insofar as "normal" weight is concerned. My last 6 loads, for example, 4 of them have been pallets that weighed less than 200 pounds each. Two of those loads were two skids, one was three skids, the other was a single skid. One load was 280 pounds. And one was 2900 on a single skid.
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Brisco
Expert Expediter
Funny how some people who run around in CV's seem to know more about DOT/FMSCA Regs than others who have actually had to abide by DOT/FMSCA regs.
Now, one of 'em just tryed to call me out by claiming a "rookie mistake" was made. What's 1 pound?? Have you ever been in a real life conversation with an experienced trucker who clearly says "10,001lbs", or "26,001lbs"?? Probably not, we speak in terms of 10K, 26K, 55K-not 54,999, 80K, and so on. Last person who SPECIFICALLY stated 10,001lbs to me IRL, was a state trooper who learned his terminology by reading a book on regs, of which probably 80-90% of you guys running around in CV's did also.
So, try again Turtle, try again.
You're still somewhat OK in my book though.
We just need to get all that book reading you've been doing put into action in the real world of trucking. My bet, you'd last 6 months, maybe.
I'm not sure how funny it is, but I do think it's somewhat pathetic that people don't make the attempt at learning everything they can about their job. But make no mistake, while I do drive a cargo van, I have a CDL and a HAZMAT endorsement and I've hauled plenty of HAZMAT that requires scaling and logging. And while there are plenty of DOT rules and regulations that do not apply to me, some of them do, and in order to know which ones do apply, I need to know which ones do not, as well.
In this case, one pound is the difference between accurate and inaccurate, between correct and incorrect, between right and wrong. I didn't call you out because you made the rookie mistake of a single pound, I called you out because you failed to comprehend what RLENT wrote, misunderstood what he wrote, and then used that failed comprehension and misunderstanding to deride an EO member with snide little remarks that have nothing whatsoever to do with the issues.
In your defense, however, I will note that RLENT's wording and phrasing was particularly bad, as he should have used the "GVWR" on both sides of the "-" (dash) in his sentence, or left the "GVWR" off of both ends, in order to make it perfectly clear. And because of that mishap, at first glance, what he wrote could have been misconstrued, as you did, as differentiating between vehicle weight and the weight rating of the vehicle. But like I said, go back up and re-read what he wrote, and you'll see that his statement is accurate, particularly in the context of which he wrote it, that of replying to your incorrect statement.
Your original statement was indeed incorrect, where that one pound makes all the difference in the world in getting or not getting ticket for failing to scale or log.
See? Another slap of derision. Why do you do that? Does it help your ego to put other people down? Does your ego need that sort of thing? I'll grant you, most van drivers are yer basic morons, but I assure you I am not one of them. Nor is RLENT. I'm fully prepared, unlike a lot of "real" truck drivers I might add, to deal with a DOT officer who hasn't fully read and comprehended the regs.
In any case, I and most cargo van drivers I know differentiate that one pound when we talk in real life conversations, and either say "10,000 pounds or less," or "over 10,000 pounds."
"If you're 10,000 pounds or less, then you don't have to log or scale, and if you're over 10,000 pounds, you do."
I don't have to try again. I succeeded the first time.
I'll take that bet. For the first 4 years I drove a cargo van I hauled enough HAZMAT loads that I rarely had a blank week in the logbook. A placarded cargo van pulling into the scale house is like Christmas morning to DOT officers. I never had a single violation. My current carrier won't put HAZMAT on a cargo van, mainly because cargo van drivers are morons and cannot be taught how to log part-time. But there have been mistakes where I was sent to pick up HAZMAT loads. A couple of those could not go in a cargo van regardless (inhalation hazard), but the others could, and I took them. I logged and scaled and drove away from the scale house each time with no violations. So there.You're still somewhat OK in my book though.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Or lampshades .... or probably a whole host of other things .....
"Normal" ...... "palletized" .... freight ?
Dude, you are seriously funny ..... why don't you edu-ma-cate us all here on exactly what "normal palletized freight" is ......
... this oughta be good ....
Not really ... but you might need to - if you think that 10,000 and 10,001 are the same thing .... in the eyes of the DOT and the law/regs ....
And while you are it, you might wanna consider a quick little remedial on reading comprehension ......
Good grief ..... ya just can't make up a statement like that .... have you been practicing or what ?
I mean, seriously .... think about what you just said .....
What exactly do you think that that "W" means in GVWR ?
No need to - I already have - and know much of what it says ... and even more importantly: I can actually comprehend the English language, in both written and spoken forms ......
I also happen to know the difference between 10,000 and 10,001 .... (it is exactly 1 ..... no more, no less .....)
Now, I will admit that there is a whole lot of nothing in both those numbers .... but you don't have to let that confusitate ya - here follow me on this:
0 = nothing
and
1 = something
Now when ya have a figure that looks like this:
001
that is clearly more than one which looks like this:
000
Is this making any sense to you - or do you still think that they are the same ?
Well, Bupkus .... if'n you kinda find 'em .... then I say quote 'em and post 'em ..... otherwise, you just might wanna just stick a cork in yer pie hole ...
My mistake in replying to you was that I attempted to quote your words to clarify the issue - clearly, I should have known better
...... and being a little sloppy in my sentence construction ......I should have also pointed out that even under 10K if you are hauling Hazmat then you become a CMV and subject to logging and scaling.
Funny ..... I know some folks who drive cargo vans who actually hold Class A's .....
Yeah .... so ?
How did you "learn" it .... by using the Vulcan mind-meld with Billy-Bob or Goober down at the local truck stop ?
Just in case this is "new news" to ya, Mankind has actually been conveying and passing along knowledge via written communication (like that which appears in books) for a very, very long time now ..... unlike using the truckstop to pass along knowledge, which is only a fairly recent invention ....
Is that the one where they use trucks to haul something called freight ?
Oooo ooooo ..... please, please Mr. Big Real-World Trucker .... tell us all more !
Especially about those Dodge 1 ton Cummins Duallys ..... my '05 Dodge 3500 SLT (CTD, 4WD, Quad Cab, 6 Spd, 8' Bed, Big Horn Package) is only SRW
.... and I wanna hear more about those really, really big trucks .... you know - the ones with the extra two wheels .... that can haul so much more .....Oh, wait ..... isn't it true that the tow rating on the SRW is actually a little higher than the dually ?
Well, never mind then I guess ....
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