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Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate

Brisco

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paullud said:
.....The hospitals and doctors will also have higher markups for individuals than they already do to help make up for the loss of income.
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And how will these "Higher Markups" get paid to cover these differences / loss of income - revenue??

They will be paid by Health Care Policies that are now going to Skyrocket in Price to meet these Hospitals and Doctors costs....................

If Obamacare is NOT overturned by the next incoming administration......I foresee half of the American population on some sort of Medicaid / Medicare program within the next decade.
 
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Brisco said:
And how will these "Higher Markups" get paid to cover these differences / loss of income - revenue??

They will be paid by Health Care Policies that are now going to Skyrocket in Price to meet these Hospitals and Doctors costs....................

If Obamacare is NOT overturned by the next incoming administration......I foresee half of the American population on some sort of Medicaid / Medicare program within the next decade.
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The next decade, half dont pay taxes now and they wont be paying for their own insurance either.

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OntarioVanMan

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xiggi said:
The next decade, half dont pay taxes now and they wont be paying for their own insurance either.

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so basically with the new Medicare threshold and the low income....Ins. companies will raise rates to those who actually pay and again the hard working middle class American get the screw job...
 
LDB

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Rather than throw a bunch of tea into the ocean couldn't we just throw the scum PRO's and their cohorts that did this to us into the ocean instead?
 
BobWolf

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New york state public schools have a 40% graduation sucess rate at a cost of $ 18,618.00 per student. If the government run shcools are this sucessful looks like government run healthcare will be a real winner.

I think my 100% delivery rate is why im not a milionare yet.
 
paullud

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BobWolf said:
New york state public schools have a 40% graduation sucess rate at a cost of $ 18,618.00 per student. If the government run shcools are this sucessful looks like government run healthcare will be a real winner.

I think my 100% delivery rate is why im not a milionare yet.
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My mother was a 5th grade teacher for 38 years in upstate NY and she found the common theme that seems to run rampant in government programs, the people in charge have no experience.

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davekc

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Based on their ruling of it being mandated through a tax, this thing will be a total cluster-screw.

Lets see, the penalty for business is less than the insurance so they will stop providing insurance and just pay the penalty.

The people without insurance will have to pay a penalty of 1 percent of income or 95 dollar the first year, 2 percent and 180 the second and 2.5 percent and 695 in the final year.

Why would anyone get insurance? It is more expensive than getting a policy. And remember, no one can be denied if they paid the penalty. People will wait until they need it, and then buy a policy to get better. When that is complete, cancel the policy and go back to paying the penalty.

They just today have just figured that out. If you are illegal, poor on paper or in a union, you will be exempt.
 
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Brisco

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The people without insurance will have to pay a penalty of 1 percent of income or 95 dollar the first year, 2 percent and 180 the second and 2.5 percent and 695 in the final year.
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Hhmm.....

I haven't really studied how this will be implemented.....but the general consensus is that Government will cover your Health Care Costs if you don't have Health Insurance.......Right.

So let's say I opt to drop my Health Insurance and decide to just go ahead and pay the "Fines". (Screw that TAX "Wording".....it is a FINE...Period) With me paying these fines.....that means I should be able to walk into any Health Care Facililty for Medical Treatment and not have to worry about paying the Bill because the $$$$ the Government will be taking from people from these Fines are set to cover the costs in my case...right?

If So......and at these meager fees above.....I'm dropping my Health Insurance and getting on the Government Dole as quick as I can!!!
 
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As it is currently written, you would be able to do that provided you have paid the penalty. Buying a policy would be easy because you can't be denied coverage based on a pre-existing condition.
If you didn't pay, my guess is you would get kicked in the medicaid pool and the bill would be a percentage based on your income. I have heard a few different versions all basically saying the same thing.
 
paullud

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Brisco said:
If So......and at these meager fees above.....I'm dropping my Health Insurance and getting on the Government Dole as quick as I can!!!
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FIGHT THE POWER!!! Bring them to their knees, Ahahahahahaaa. This has been my plan all along and have encouraged others to do the same, we need to break them to get back freedom. The other option to stick it to the insurance companies that backed this garbage is to get their coverage if you need an operation or some other expensive medical procedure and then cancel it.

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Tennesseahawk

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Someone mentioned it before, yet no one was running with it. From what I understand, Roberts let the libs win this, but in the larger scope of things, he took away their ability to use the Commerce Clause to justify power over the states. Now, it's up to the conservatives to run with this.
 
skyraider

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It is all about the money and what makes OB popular, plain and simple, follow the money trail, its works every time. From the deem and pass crowd, to the Supreme Court crowd, follow the money trail, if we could only have seen what went on behind closed doors on this tax deal passing, ah, a play on words, now the door is open , thank u everyone who voted for OB for president, the best is yet to come, hmmmm right. If u all really think a bunch of bungling government nitwits can run ur paperwork thru correctly and pay the doctors correctly, ur mistaken, really mistaken and did anyone get an opinon of the doctors in this whole deal. I think not. Can the obcare order a doctor to treat you if said doctor is not getting paid and how much is the obcare going to pay him, did anyone think of that, nooooooooo. How will this effect new doctors to if they want to be doctors in the future. Social medicine does not work well in other countries, and fraud will be larger then ever before, IMHO.
 
Pilgrim

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davekc said:
As it is currently written, you would be able to do that provided you have paid the penalty. Buying a policy would be easy because you can't be denied coverage based on a pre-existing condition.
If you didn't pay, my guess is you would get kicked in the medicaid pool and the bill would be a percentage based on your income. I have heard a few different versions all basically saying the same thing.
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This will start to dawn on the American public when small businesses all over the country begin to send out notices that they're dropping their health care plans effective (fill in the blank). Then Joe Sixpack has to go through the convoluted process of applying for ObamaCare; if you want an example of how this will work check out signing up for Medicare. After they work their way through this Rube Goldberg process, they'll start to realize the care they'll receive sucks and they can't go to their family doctor any more because he's not on the right list. Finally, they'll realize the costs involved but by then it's too late. Or, they could get off their duffs when November gets here and go to the polls to vote for Romney and the GOP candidates for Senate - and take their friends and neighbors with them.:mad:
 
LDB

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Even more reason to vote against Obama this fall in a manner that has potential to defeat him not just to make noise or feel good.
 
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Tennesseahawk

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Pilgrim said:
This will start to dawn on the American public when small businesses all over the country begin to send out notices that they're dropping their health care plans effective (fill in the blank). Then Joe Sixpack has to go through the convoluted process of applying for ObamaCare; if you want an example of how this will work check out signing up for Medicare. After they work their way through this Rube Goldberg process, they'll start to realize the care they'll receive sucks and they can't go to their family doctor any more because he's not on the right list. Finally, they'll realize the costs involved but by then it's too late. Or, they could get off their duffs when November gets here and go to the polls to vote for Romney and the GOP candidates for Senate - and take their friends and neighbors with them.:mad:
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Like Ike got rid of Social Security? Or Nixon got rid of the Great Society? I wouldn't put my money on Romney getting rid of squat. Republicans like this socialized crap just as much as the Democrats. But they like to complain about the Democrats voting it in. Same with the Democrats and rich people. They don't tell you how much they like THEIR kinda rich people.

BTW... people like to talk about Obama having a Democrat Congress. Well, W had a Republican one, and what did we get? No Child Left Behind, and a huge seniors prescription entitlement plan. Not very conservative of them, was it? They are all cut from the same cloth. If you think Robme is going to be any different than Obamama, you're nuts.
 
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Pilgrim

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Tennesseahawk said:
Like Ike got rid of Social Security? Or Nixon got rid of the Great Society? I wouldn't put my money on Romney getting rid of squat. Republicans like this socialized crap just as much as the Democrats. But they like to complain about the Democrats voting it in. Same with the Democrats and rich people. They don't tell you how much they like THEIR kinda rich people.

BTW... people like to talk about Obama having a Democrat Congress. Well, W had a Republican one, and what did we get? No Child Left Behind, and a huge seniors prescription entitlement plan. Not very conservative of them, was it? They are all cut from the same cloth. If you think Robme is going to be any different than Obamama, you're nuts.
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I think we can all agree that once an entitlement is put in place by either party, it becomes entrenched and will be there forever or until it runs out of money. But anyone who thinks "they are all cut from the same cloth" isn't paying any attention to their records. Obama's record is far worse than ANY of the moderate Republican presidents - especially with regards to the economy. Every revised estimate of the projected costs of ObamaCare has gone up, and we know from history these estimates are always under-estimates. He has spent more money we don't have in 3.5 years than all his predecessors combined. Costs for No Child Left Behind and the Medicare Rx act are raindrops in the ocean compared to those of ObamaCare; remember - states are being granted waivers for No Child Left Behind. BTW, in case you've forgotten, the Democrats also had a Prescription Drug Plan that was defeated by the GOP controlled Congress because it would have been far more expensive than the one passed by the Republicans: "President Bush had proposed spending $190 billion on a drug benefit. Senate Democrats have proposed spending $500 billion over 10 years while House Democrats want to spend $800 billion".
House Republican prescription drug plan clears key committee; Democrats cry foul

No one has a crystal ball that will tell us what kind of POTUS Romney will be if he's elected - but he's the only viable alternative, and his past record as a moderate Republican indicates he'll be a considerable improvement over the radically liberal Barack Hussein Obama.

The following article from Forbes clarifies the implementation of RomneyCare, and brings to light several facts about the legislation that aren't widely known - one of which was that Romney vetoed the employer mandate and seven other provisions only to be overridden by the Democrat-controlled congress.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/20...k-gutted-romneycares-market-oriented-reforms/
 
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