The Failure of the Public Sector, the Coming Military Crackdown

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
This was brought to my attention by a member of one of the "gun clubs" I belong to, it is long, but well worth the read. and you will have to open the link to finish it as it is too long for this board.


Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr. on The Failure of the Public Sector, the Coming Military Crackdown and What Can Be Done to Stop It

Written by The Daily Bell - with Scott Smith
Sunday, 10 January 2010
Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr. on the Failure of the Public Sector, the Coming Military Crackdown and What Can Be Done to Stop It


Introduction: Dr. Vieira holds four degrees from Harvard: A.B. (Harvard College), A.M. and Ph.D. (Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences), and J.D. (Harvard Law School). For over thirty-six years he has been a practicing attorney, specializing in cases that raise issues of constitutional law. He has presented numerous cases of import before the Supreme Court and written numerous monographs and articles in scholarly journals. His latest scholarly works are Pieces of Eight: The Monetary Powers and Disabilities of the United States Constitution (2d rev. ed. 2002), a comprehensive study of American monetary law and history viewed from a constitutional perspective, and How to Dethrone the Imperial Judiciary (2004), a study of the problems of irresponsible "judicial supremacy", and how to deal with them.

Daily Bell: Thanks for sitting down with us. Let's get right to it. In your view, what are the most critical domestic problems facing America?

Edwin Vieira Jr.: Two stand out. The foremost problem-because it is the source of, or contributes significantly to, almost every economic difficulty now plaguing this country-is the inherent and ineradicable instability of the present monetary and banking systems centered around the Federal Reserve System.

The second problem derives from the first. It is the ever-accelerating development of a first-class para-militarized police-state apparatus centered around the United States Department of Homeland Security, with its tentacles reaching down into every police force throughout the States and localities. Fundamentally, this apparatus is not, and never was, designed to deal with international "terrorism". If that were its goal, its first task would be absolutely to secure the southern border of the United States, which it has never seriously attempted to do.

Rather, it is being set up to deal with what the political-cum-financial Establishment anticipates (and I believe rightly so) will be massive social and political unrest bordering on chaos throughout America when the monetary and banking systems finally implode in the not-so-distant future-surely in hyperinflation, and probably in hyperinflation coupled with a gut-wrenching depression.

Of these two problems, the second is actually the more dangerous. For if (on whatever pretext) this police-state apparatus does succeed in clamping down on America, the likelihood of effecting basic reforms in money, banking, or anything else favorable to the American people will be reduced to something approaching nil, absent a veritable political uprising in this country.

Daily Bell: How can these two problems be solved?

Edwin Vieira Jr.: The problem of money and banking breaks down into two interrelated parts: one economic, the other political.

Economically, the problem lies in the commonly accepted fallacy that debt-whether the private debt of banks or the public debt of governmental treasuries-can function as sound currency over the long term. "Money" is supposed to be the most liquid of all assets-which is why the best moneys have always proven to be the precious metals, silver and gold.

"Debt", conversely, is not an asset at all, but is someone's liability, the value of which is contingent upon the debtor's ability and willingness to pay, and often the creditor's ability to force the debtor to pay. The attempt to put into practice the self-contradictory notion that a liability payable in money can be an asset that functions as money-and that the ultimate debtor or surety in this scheme can be a governmental treasury, which usually cannot be compelled to pay in any event-has been tried again and again, in country after country, and failed again and again.

For Heaven's sake, it was tried in this country with the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, and only about twenty years later utterly failed with the banking collapse of 1932, Franklin Roosevelt's seizure of the American people's gold, and the ensuing Great Depression that lasted throughout the 1930s! Right now, we are witnessing what will soon prove to be a more catastrophic failure of that same false idea embodied in that same pernicious institution. Apparently, as the old saw has it, "No one ever learns anything from history except that no one ever learns anything from history." Obviously, massive efforts in public education will be necessary to overcome this deplorable level of ignorance.

In our particular case, the problem also appears in a political form, actually dating from well before 1913: namely, the coupling of bank and state, whereby the government empowers private special-interests groups by statute to "manage" the monetary and banking systems-primarily for the economic benefit of those groups, but as well to the political advantage of the public officials, politicians, and political parties that support the system and receive support from it. The Federal Reserve System is such a coupling: the hermaphroditic creature of private enterprise and statute, at once both quasi-private and quasi-public in source, form, and functions.


Daily Bell: We call it mercantilism.

Edwin Vieira Jr.: Strictly speaking, it is a classic example of a corporative-state arrangement in the particular field of banking, exactly parallel to what Benito Mussolini set up throughout the economy of Fascist Italy, and to what Franklin Roosevelt established for all other American industries in the National Industrial Recovery Act of 1933 (until the Supreme Court declared that act unconstitutional in 1935).

The reason for this unholy alliance between bank and state lies in the operation of "debt as currency": namely, that using "debt as currency"-and particularly "debt as currency" that can be paid through the emission of new "debt as currency"-allows for the essentially unlimited redistribution of real wealth from society to the issuers of the currency and their immediate clients.

When the redistribution favors bankers and their clients among private businessmen, it is called "forced savings"-the average America being compelled by the system to lose real wealth so that the bankers and businessmen can employ that wealth in their own speculative ventures. When the redistribution favors bankers and their clients among public officials, it is called "hidden taxation"-the average America being compelled by the system to lose real wealth so that public officials can buy more votes with more governmental spending (with the bankers taking a cut of the proceeds). In both cases, by the system's very design, the financial and political classes always benefit, the masses are always looted.

The truly vicious nature of this scheme, though, is now appearing in all its ugly nakedness in the multi-trillion-dollar bailouts that the financial Establishment is extorting, and will continue to extort, ultimately from the taxpayers and the victims of inflation, on the threat that, without such payoffs, the entire economy will melt down into irremediable chaos.

So, here we see the ultimate practical truth of the matter: Private financial special-interest groups buy politicians; in public office these politicians empower the special-interest groups by statute to manipulate the monetary and banking systems; to the extent that these manipulations succeed, the profits are largely privatized; and to the extent that the manipulations fail, the losses are almost entirely socialized. In either case, the general public is held hostage to the racket, and foots the gargantuan bill for its operation. And the guilty parties escape scot free to steal again, and again, and again.


Continue reading at the link above, and it is worth the time...
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
The part that you should have posted.

Daily Bell: So what is to be done?


Edwin Vieira Jr.: In principle, this problem can be solved, if America enforces her Constitution. In practice, implementing such a solution will take no little time and effort, though, because:



(i) the Federal Reserve System cannot simply be "abolished" at one fell swoop without generating massive dislocations throughout the markets; and



(ii) the necessary reforms cannot arise out of the snake pit of Congress in the foreseeable future. Instead, Americans need to create an alternative constitutional and sound currency-actually consisting of, not simply "backed by", silver and gold-to compete with Federal Reserve Notes in the marketplace.


This step must be taken at the State level, for several reasons. First, it cannot be done through Congress, because Congress is thoroughly in the vampiric embrace of the financial Establishment. Second, the States enjoy the legal authority to adopt an alternative currency-indeed, as the Constitution declares, "No State shall . . . make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts".



Third, the States' exercise of their legal authority to adopt an alternative currency is constitutionally immune from interference by Congress, as even the Supreme Court has held on more than one occasion.



Fourth, the States have a political and legal responsibility to their own citizens to protect the public health, safety, and welfare-which necessitates adopting a sound currency to replace the collapsing Federal Reserve Note before it is too late.



And fifth, among the fifty States there must be at least a few in which the political and economic climate is such that State legislators can be convinced to take appropriate action.


Once the experiment has been tried and proven workable in one State, it will quickly spread to others, because no alternative exists, other than supine and stupid acquiescence in the collapse of the Federal Reserve System, with all the dire consequences that will entail.


Dennis,



It gets tiring to read this crap, not what you are posting but these people who are so out of touch with reality.



We can not go back to a metal standard for our money system, ever. Buying gold does nothing except make the sellers rich and no time in history with a collapse of a country has gold been used to help the people get by. Most of the time it is confiscated.



This guy has some separatist ideals without a clue why we have these wild fluctuations with our present system.


Also the Fair Tax will help solve a lot of issues.
 

Shadowpanda

Seasoned Expediter
Agree with Greg on the gold standard. All the gold EVER mined (Worldwide) is currently worth a bit over 5 trillion dollars. US Gross Domestic Product in 2008 was over 14 trillion. Do you begin to see the problem with limiting our economy to gold?
Never heard of Daily Bell, sounds suspiciously like something associated with Art Bell which is automatic fruitcake land.
 
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RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Agree with Greg on the gold standard.
Well, foolishness is no respecter of any man .... all too happy to accompany any who are willing to embrace it.

So - just out of curiosity, what's your solution - continue to operate on a fiat currency ?

You like the premise of using a currency which has no inherent value ? One that is not backed by anything tangible ?

Yeah, that's worked really well .......

All the gold EVER mined (Worldwide) is currently worth a bit over 5 trillion dollars. US Gross Domestic Product in 2008 was over 14 trillion. Do you begin to see the problem with limiting our economy to gold?
You say the above like it actually means something .... :rolleyes:

Perahps gold is undervalued ...... or perhaps maybe our GDP is overvalued ...... ever bother to consider either of those two scenarios ?

Consider this: In 1774 the buying power of a US dollar was worth $10.53 when compared to the buying power of a 1980 US dollar. As of 2008, when compared with that same 1980 dollar, the buying power of a 2008 dollar is worth only $0.38 ......

Do you understand what that means ?

Yeah, it's really good that our GDP is "worth" 14 trillion .... :rolleyes:

Never heard of Daily Bell, sounds suspiciously like something associated with Art Bell which is automatic fruitcake land.
Yeah ..... Art Bell ..... Daily Bell .... certainly sounds alot alike to me ...... must be the same thing ..... just retarded .....

I mean you could have actually went to the link and observed what and/or who it was (heaven forbid one should let personal observation inform the drivel that some manage to let pass their lips) .... and then perhaps said something at least somewhat intelligent .... but no, that would have been too hard, way too difficult ..... much better (and certainly far easier) to just say whatever happens to be the first thing that pops into ones head .....
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I don't know about the rest of this thing but I believe that gold is grossly over valued. I mean after all, other than being a bit rare and shinny, it is really too soft to be much good for many things. There are some uses in electronics and medical field. If it were not so rare it would make great shotgun pellets!! Soft as lead, dense as lead without being toxic!! Ideal!! Then, if used for that purpose it would be of great value to me!!!

Money is over rated anyway. It is time to do away with it. It is all monopoly money anyway.
 

Shadowpanda

Seasoned Expediter
My degree is in History and Political Science with minors in Economics and International Relations...whats yours?
I know quite well what I am talking about. There isn't a currency on this planet worth talking about that is not fiat money. Gold as a unit of money has no more intrinsic value than fiat money. It's monetary value is because it's shiny and uncommon, in short its value (as money, yes it has some industrial value as well) is PURELY psychological, just like the paper bills we have in our wallets.
Salt, pepper, cinnamon and other spices have in the past been used as currency and tying our economic welfare to them is just as silly as doing it with gold. We could just as soon decide granite is all the rage and start breaking rocks instead.
Tying ones economic welfare to any finite resource places inherent limits on the growth and guidance of that economy. If you need to increase money supply it's not easy to go dig more gold. You would have to devalue the currency and people take a real bad disliking to waking up in the morning and finding out the government just told them the $100 bills in their wallet are now worth $50 each. In short, it is a rather unwieldy and inflexible system.
Furthermore if you want to see a major market crash worldwide just let the very smallest hint of the US going back to a gold standard slip past Ben Bernanke's lips and watch the 'fun'. Then watch the value of every dime you own go to zip as the rest of the world runs like hell the other way and ties their monetary system to the Euro. This crashes the dollar; investors worldwide start pulling out of America and then buddy boy you WILL see problems you never dreamed of.
If the problem you are referring to is the ability of using fiat currency to finance deficit spending there is a very simple solution. Vote and be politically active. Don't write silly invective at me, you are wasting your time. Write your congress critters.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Hey RLENT, I was just poking fun at how people value a metal that is more or less useless just because it is shiny. As to our money, as it becomes more and more worthless, inflation takes over etc it gets closer and closer to monopoly money. As the government just prints more and more to cover their own stupidity our money becomes worth less and less.

I know we can't do away with money, yet, we have not reached that point in our history as a species. We do need to change the system somehow, it is broken.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
and we just printed up another 100 mill that we don't have and all the related costs for Haiti and no one blinked an eye...
 

aristotle

Veteran Expediter
and we just printed up another 100 mill that we don't have and all the related costs for Haiti and no one blinked an eye...

OVM... that $100 million will be just the down payment. American taxpayers will see billions$$$ going into Haiti. Obama likes to make very expensive promises. I believe NGO's and faith-based organizations will have a more direct impact in the efforts to extend relief to those in need. Government bureaucracies move too slowly to give help in a timely fashion.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
OVM... that $100 million will be just the down payment. American taxpayers will see billions$$$ going into Haiti. Obama likes to make very expensive promises. I believe NGO's and faith-based organizations will have a more direct impact in the efforts to extend relief to those in need. Government bureaucracies move too slowly to give help in a timely fashion.

With the cost of this...The American Gov could have paid everyone's mortgage from middle income down and done more to help our own in one swift move...and cheaper...
Nooooo we give it to big business and banks!! Our people are hurting it is a disaster here...
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
The pledge of money means little - the cost of getting that money into the right hands will be at least 10%.

Ok here is the real issue with the gold standard.

When we were on the gold standard, it meant our dollar was backed by actual gold, which was used as a trading vehicle with few countries. Most of them were in Europe, China wasn't much of a trading partner but Germany, England and France was.

So we kept our gold in places like JP Morgan's bank and other places where these countries also kept their gold. At the time there wasn't massive gold fields of Australia, Russia or the Canada where they could dump gold to devalue currency.

So here is how it should have worked –

We didn't trade much because of the lack of middle class prosperity in the country. Most of the trade we did wasn't in needed goods but wanted goods for the well off in our country. Most of the people were self-sufficient that almost everything they needed was made or grown locally. But there were changes in the 1880s and as we prospered we got the chance to become more involved on world trading stage. As we prospered as a country there we went into the positive part of a business cycle, our wages and prices rose to the point where they were competitive with say England who would have an advantage over us as a trading partner (meaning their things were more expensive to buy because of the wages and prices they had where higher than ours). Because of this rise in our wages and domestic good prices, our consumers would start buying English goods through importers because they were now cheaper and England would not receive dollars for the goods sold to us but gold taken out of our gold reserves that were kept at JP Morgan and other big banks.

Which all sounds all great – right?

But here is the downside.

As we lost gold (which is dollars in our world) our money supply shrank and when that happens, the our business cycle now starts to make a downward turn. In many of the downward turns of these recessions and depressions wages and prices would fall as part of a deflationary part of the problem and that was tied to the lack of money in the system (which was the main issue in the depression of the 30's) and domestic products now again become competitive with foreign products which means we sell to england again. This brings gold back into the country, which starts the cycle all over again.

This cycle happened many times, small recessions to big depressions, it was all caused by a metal backing the currency. FDR removed us from this roller coaster but counted on faith of the dollar to hold it together.

Now many of the people who want us to return back to a metal standard fail to understand the bigger picture involved.

The first thing is we don't have the manufacturing base to do this, we shifted from an industrial nation to a service nation. Our hard assets are less than what they were before the civil war and without hard assets we can't have much to back the dollar. With this, Unions also stand in the way of wage adjustments that need to be done.

The second thing is we need to return to strict price and wage controls which we all know doesn't work.

Our money system actually worked when there were reasonable controls in place and we didn't mess with interest rates as political vehicles or had a government out of control. When there was faith in the system and when there was people who were working without this massive spending, we had a strong dollar.

Fix the government first, get rid of fannie and freddy and the blackhole they are and move towards accountability of the people who caused the harm in the first place – in China they execute people who messed with dog and cat food, why haven't we at leased removed the people who have caused our financial world to change again for the worst?
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
While I don't think anyone always agrees with everything that appears in most articles they read, but i really think that it is great that you all have read this complete article and it appears that the only thing in it that you found to objetionable was the guys stance on the Gold / Silver standard...does that mean that we will see an influx of "state militia" members here soon!?!?!? :D
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
No Chef it doesn't mean I agree with the other parts of the article. In the last two years we have been hit hard with "Buy Gold" crap and "We got to go back to the Gold Standard" - all of which is not the root of the problems.

States have the absolute power to stop this crap, they can enact a constitutional convention to solve the issues we have but won't because the feds will hold back money. Without the backbone of the states standing up to the feds, we are at the mercy of not the congress but the people employed by the federal government who seem to be running the show.

The two biggest things that need to be done is to reinforce the tenth amendment by having a majority of the states stand up and say no and as important getting rid of the 17th amendment which hands back to the states their right to select the process for senators who will represent the state. If these two simple things are done, then we will see better times.

But will they?

NO!

It goes back to the comment I made in another thread - no one seems to be willing to put everything on the line to change things, there is too much selfishness and greed involved today.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
I totally agree Greg, the state most definitely have the power to take control of this crap, as the article pointed out. I have said in the past here on this board that the states need to quit forwarding the tax dollars collected for the fed (gas tax, fed excise sales taxes, etc) for just 3 months, tell the fed each state will take care of their own roads and see just how fast the fed bows and make ammends....the people need to quit sending in their income tax, weekly or quarterly....if you are going to pay, pay at the end of the yr or just file and tell them you owe them....if the people did that, TPTB would get the message real quick....but you are right most won't, too ascared of the irs and big brother...

And yes not being on the Gold Standard is NOT the root of the problem, it is simply be cast out as a tool to better control the debt and spending, instead of the worthless fiat money we have now that is what " backed by the full faith and credit" of the Federal Government"!?!? Thats about a joke now isn't.....and the push to pay gold is NOW or in the last 2 yrs as you have said, is nothing more then those with it wanting to make money..i started back in 1986 when it was cheap and i have bought more over time. I don't have bunch, but enough that i can sell from time to time and make a good profit when i want to buy something....oh i i also got out of US Dollar investment about 3 and half yrs ago too....

The article also said that the Gold / Silver standard should start on the STATE level, I'd take that one step further and have the STATES own Banks, not all but certainly let them and the State has the control, not the fed reserve that is much different then the fed taking control of the banks as they are doing now...and then have them operate under fractional reserve banking which multiplies the deposits and reserves and allows for them to give credit to those that are worthy, mainly the shareholders...you own shares of the bank, you despoit and you reap the benefits...and use Gold as the Standard...again on the STATE level...North Dakota does this....It is called lol, The Bank of North Dakota...pretty unique huh....lol

Does the tax system need fixed, no it needs shutdown, and the progressive pentalizing system needs replaced... but don't hold your breath, neither party wants to mess with that, just as they don't want to ruffle the feathers of the Fed Reserve....

Oh and as Shadow said, most all paper money is fiat money...lol, they simply print more to carry more debt, adjusting the value to whatever they put it at....and you know what, they can do the same thing with gold....they did it before.....but gold will always have value as will most commodities, but paper money is nothing more then a way to run up more debt that it can't pay for, as its value goes down....

I understand that since you took the gold standard issue on from the article that it didn't mean that you agree with everything else, it was a sarcastic comment on my part....i just found it funny that no one took offense to the writers mention of starting up the STATES militias again and all that that infers......
 
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greg334

Veteran Expediter
I totally agree Greg, the state most definitely have the power to take control of this crap, as the article pointed out. I have said in the past here on this board that the states need to quit forwarding the tax dollars collected for the fed (gas tax, fed excise sales taxes, etc) for just 3 months, tell the fed each state will take care of their own roads and see just how fast the fed bows and make ammends....the people need to quit sending in their income tax, weekly or quarterly....if you are going to pay, pay at the end of the yr or just file and tell them you owe them....if the people did that, TPTB would get the message real quick....but you are right most won't, too ascared of the irs and big brother...

But see these taxes are intertwined into areas that it can't just stop. I never said nor supported the idea that we need to abolish federal taxes, but change the way we handle the collection of them. With that, people who are screaming "the 16th amendment is illegal" to the ones who protest the tax system don't get that all of this depends on taxes being collected at the federal level.

The key is not to be run by the federal government, which doesn't mean the power sits with the senators/congressmen of the government but actually the employees of the government (that is another thread altogether).

As I stated before and will again, people don't want to take chances with things, it is a selfish attitude that we have reached here.

And yes not being on the Gold Standard is NOT the root of the problem, it is simply be cast out as a tool to better control the debt and spending, instead of the worthless fiat money we have now that is what " backed by the full faith and credit" of the Federal Government"!?!? Thats about a joke now isn't.....and the push to pay gold is NOW or in the last 2 yrs as you have said, is nothing more then those with it wanting to make money.

All transactions are backed by the faith of the parties involved, not by the vehicle of which the transaction uses.

The gold, silver or zinc standard is not possible and would cause more issues in the short term than would straighting up the mess we are in. read what I wrote and think about it on a state by state situation, money flowing between states just for say fuel would cause problem with inflation and deflation within months of any standard. The state which would have to determine the value of their issued currency based not on any uniformed standard or agreement but rather they would have to have a political decision on the issue because of what I have been saying all along, people are weak and selfish.

For example the people in Maryland like to make their $300k a year and had to make it look like that they were still making $300k while a place like Michigan would have a different value for the people who would actually like to see a new kind of dollar bill in their pocket, the UAW. So in order for a transaction to take place across state lines, a value must be agreed on because the two currencies are incompatible. So a transaction is made and the Maryland currency is used to pay for the item that is being sold by Michigan. The value is ten MD dollars to one Michigan Union bill. So when there is a value there but when it is redeemed back into MD, the value went down to 7 MD dollars - see what I'm getting at?

The reason we came to the federal reserve level was to level the playing field between the states and stop the different economies from floundering while others flourished at the same time based solely on currency.

i started back in 1986 when it was cheap and i have bought more over time. I don't have bunch, but enough that i can sell from time to time and make a good profit when i want to buy something....oh i i also got out of US Dollar investment about 3 and half yrs ago too....

But what happens if the dollar is revalued, say at 25%, what would Gold be worth?

The value of it as an investment over the long term is silly to count on - it is a commodity, while the short term it can profit you. Like many other things, the value is tied to the foreign currency value of the dollar and with record highs, it is not because of the stability of the metal in the market but because of the downward pressure on the dollar and the bet against the value of the dollar as if it was the Swiss Franc or Euro.

As I said before, the economy crashed, I have the chickens and the eggs and you have the gold and need to eat - pretty expensive eggs at one ounce of gold per egg, or is it?

The article also said that the Gold / Silver standard should start on the STATE level, I'd take that one step further and have the STATES own Banks, not all but certainly let them and the State has the control, not the fed reserve that is much different then the fed taking control of the banks as they are doing now...and then have them operate under fractional reserve banking which multiplies the deposits and reserves and allows for them to give credit to those that are worthy, mainly the shareholders...you own shares of the bank, you despoit and you reap the benefits...and use Gold as the Standard...again on the STATE level...North Dakota does this....It is called lol, The Bank of North Dakota...pretty unique huh....lol

First you don't want the states involved with currency, but constitutional issues. Get them out of the way for a better economy.

Second ND has to use Federal currency for all debts and transactions outside of the state - goes back to my point about how states interact (or better yet the interstate clause of the constitution can be used to prevent it).

Third banks that have depositors as share holders are call - credit unions.

Does the tax system need fixed, no it needs shutdown, and the progressive pentalizing system needs replaced... but don't hold your breath, neither party wants to mess with that, just as they don't want to ruffle the feathers of the Fed Reserve....

Yes I agree it needs to be fixed but shut down would put us in a very very bad position and cause a very quick meltdown that you would not beleive could happen. If you think that the dollar is low now, well wait until an announcement that states are rebelling and not sending money to the feds - our foreign debt holders would demand repayment as a start.

You know I can see many many ideas but not one seems to work for me like the Fair Tax. I would off load my stress and tax debt load and pay through my purchases, which may be more than what I pay in federal taxes. My business taxes would be nil, even the 23% that is imposed on my purchases would be exempt for my business under the fair tax - meaning truckers would make out better with it than what we have now.

Oh and as Shadow said, most all paper money is fiat money...lol, they simply print more to carry more debt, adjusting the value to whatever they put it at....and you know what, they can do the same thing with gold....they did it before.....but gold will always have value as will most commodities, but paper money is nothing more then a way to run up more debt that it can't pay for, as its value goes down....

Hate to break this to you, all paper money is Fiat.

I understand that since you took the gold standard issue on from the article that it didn't mean that you agree with everything else, it was a sarcastic comment on my part....i just found it funny that no one took offense to the writers mention of starting up the STATES militias again and all that that infers......

Well with the present administration, we need to fear the crackdown on things that actually don't do harm to the country, like voices asking questions about why unions are involved with major policies and decisions.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Greg I could agree with alot of what you posted if the article was about correcting our current state of issues, but it isn't....it is about what will need to be done when the current public sector fails becuase of the current ecomonic situation and the ideals of the piece of garbage in the WH and when the Miltary is brought to the streets of our country...it is then that the STATES have to lead the way as those in the FED Gov cannot be trusted...and as 1 state steps up, the next will follow and so on...in all aspects, but just monetarily.....and yes it needs to be done both legally with the State Militias and constitutionally......

As for worrying about not speaking out against this ruler in the WH and his minions, screw'em...if you are on one of the "list" already, you are doin something right.....
 
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