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chefdennis

chefdennis

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It is not just the type guns themselves that will make them illegal it is also asscessories that are fitted....a "threaded barrel", a barrel shroud, a pistol grip fitted to any rifle or shotgun, a choke, flash hider, a capacity of 9 shots, or a fixed (depending on capacity or the ability to accept a removeable magazine over a certain capacity, folding stocks and the list goes on...And the attorney general, your gun friendly eric holder, gets wide discretion in making any decisions......

So the old Winchester 1200 12 gauge pump that i got in 1968 (and still own) fitted with a "full choke" with the "duck plug" removed is an illegal gun.........

And that just covers shotguns, and yes some semiautos are banned on the purposed list..law12,spas12, amrscor 20-30 again, no reason for them to be on the list...other then they are scary when the liberals see them

Oh and the plain jane AR15 is also on the list.........even if it isn't full auto...its black, its scary, its a "military" type weapon...and it is also a low powered small caliber weapon that isn't used by thrugs in our streets......

Oh and the old Fav of alot of gun owners, the SKS with its removeable magazine is on the purposed list also...lol what a joke....

Oh and i have the complete list of purposed banned weapons, but posting it isn't going to change the liberal thinking so theres no reason...besides, i am sure those here that are liberal will willingly hand in the guns they own when they are asked to, they are all law abiding and "fob's"...............so they would do it just to make sure they are doing the right thing..........

99% of the weapons on the list have no reason to be there.....

But none of this will matter when mr specter pushs the

Inter-American Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms
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Through the senate ammo will become dang near a thing of the past as it will be illegal to "reload" your own brass without a "manufactures licence issed by the UN..... and all ammo sold will need to have micro ingraving on it and the price will go through the roof and the avg gun owner won't be able to buy it in any large nimbers....Those UN treaties are used to step on the laws of the countries as to "harmonize" the world on certain issues.....

Anyone wondering why there are shortages of popular caliber ammo now? Why Walmart is limiting the sales of ammo to 6 boxes to any one customer per day.......why gun sales and ammo sales are at record highs all over the country........????
 
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DougTravels

DougTravels

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They are on a list, Chef! OMG what will we do? When does this list get signed into law? My 12 gauge has a threaded barrel with chokes, when do I have to turn it in?

Give me a break, the reason ammo and gun sales are at record highs is because some people are paranoid nut job wackos!

And theres Red under your bed, and a little yellow man in your head.:D
 
DougTravels

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greg334 said:
The word Naive comes to mind......
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Oh , Looking in a mirror eh :D

One thing I was wondering Greg, If there was not presidential term limits and W. could have a 3rd term. Obama vs W.

Sorry if I am laughing, I think I already know your answer, if you got the guts to say it. ;)
 
pelicn

pelicn

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I have to agree with Leo, on the original subject
Frankly there is no place for hate crime laws. Crimes are crimes and should be punished the same regardless of who perpetrates it and who is victimized by it.
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I don't see a reason to have so called "hate crimes" legislation. It's another layer of BS, just enforce the laws that are in place now.
 
DougTravels

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greg334 said:
Well Doug they are legal, I can go out and buy a 50 cal machine gun or an uzi legally. The problem is it is legal as long as I pay the tax on the transfer of the weapon and follow the regulations that I agree to to complete the transfer. They can't tell someone (unless they are a felon or have mental problems) that they can't buy one, the supreme court ruled that the regulation of automatic weapons is not the same as banning them.

The 2nd amemdment eludes you, or so it seems. It wasn't about the weapon but keeping government in check - a final balance of power. The bill of rights was not originally in the consitution because there was an assumption that the rights were all understood by all and will be for as long as the country stays together under the document. Alas intelegent people spoke and it was put in.

The other thing is I don't follow the right wing speak, I am tired of a lot of it like you may be but that doesn't mean that I am wrong with my thoughts about someone who clearly has used propaganda and lies to get where he is today. I think that the real problem is that many are still euphoric over his win, they voted because he is black and nothing else and these people neither have the intelligence or the morals to look beyond the "I will give you" speeches to the person behind the words.
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Greg: I believe you are totally wrong here. I am not claiming 100% by any means but I am pretty sure fully automatic machine guns are illegal for the general public, since the tommy gun days of Baby faced Nelson and Bonnie and Clyde.
 
chefdennis

chefdennis

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Wrong dougie.....a fed class 3 licence is needed to sell any title 2 weapon, (a fully automatic weapon, a sbr, sbs, surpressors, and a few other items and weapons...) and as long as you are able to pass the background check avg joe can buy one, he just has to have the ability to pay the really high tax that is imposed on them and they also must be registered ND THERE IS ALSO A LONG LIST OF REGULATIONS. BUT, it is illegal to own "parts" for a machine gun if you don't own the gun that the parts are for, unless you are the holder of a fed class 3 licence.....

National Firearms Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is a common misconception[citation needed] that an individual must have a "Class 3 License" in order to own NFA weapons. This is not the case. One must only have a Class 3 license (more properly known as an 03 SOT) to buy and sell NFA weapons as a business. Individual owners do not need any license under the NFA to buy Title II weapons. The purchase and sale of NFA weapons is, however, heavily taxed and regulated, as follows.

All NFA items must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). Private owners wishing to purchase an NFA item must obtain permission from the ATF, obtain a signature from the county sheriff or city or town chief of police (not necessarily permission), pass an extensive background check to include submitting a photograph and finger prints, fully register the firearm, receive ATF written permission before moving the firearm across state lines, and pay a tax. The request to transfer ownership of an NFA item is made on an ATF Form 4.[2]

NFA items may also be transferred to corporations (or other legal entities such as a trust). When the paperwork to request transfer of an NFA item is initiated by an officer of a corporation, a signature from local law enforcement is not required, and fingerprint cards and photographs do not need to be submitted with the transfer request. Therefore, an individual who lives in a location where the chief law enforcement officer will not sign a transfer form can still own an NFA item if he or she owns a corporation. This method has downsides, though, since it is the corporation (and not the principal) that owns the weapon. Thus, if the corporation ever dissolves, it must transfer its NFA weapons to the owners. This event would be considered a new transfer and would be subject to a new transfer tax.
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LDB

LDB

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Greg is right. Anyone willing to pay the tax, currently a minimum of $3000, on top of the price of the auto sear which goes for $10-15k (yes that's ten thousand to fifteen thousand) and also willing to follow all the rules such as disassemble the rifle for storage and keep the auto sear locked up separately from the rifle etc. etc. is lawfully entitled to do so. Most people can't spend $15-20k total for such a toy.
 
greg334

greg334

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Actually Dougie, speaking of a thomson, aka tommy gun, it is one that was used by one of Capone's men through the Unione Siciliana why I know a bit about the law, the history of its use and the people who used them.

Bonny and Clyde if I am not mistaken liked BARs and shot guns, Baby face nelson liked Shotguns and revolvers but the thompson made an impact primarily in Chicago under Capone, Kelly and Weiss. Oh and Machine gun Kelly was the one of the few independents who used one.

They are bulky, hard to aim and rather noisy... oh and a pain.

But nevertheless Dougie......
 
DougTravels

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After a little research, Lil Greggie boy, I will concide that it is not illegal. With all the hoops you need to jump through to get one, I would guess that most who do own them have not obtained them legally.
 
LDB

LDB

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You might guess again that the honest citizens who have shelled out the price of a small car have done so legally and accurately. Auto sears are scrutinized INTENSELY. It may very well be that the liberals would fit your assessment of "most who do own them have not obtained them legally" but then they are afraid of guns and liberty so they would be too cowardly to own an autosear, legally or otherwise.
 
greg334

greg334

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DougTravels said:
After a little research, Lil Greggie boy, I will concide that it is not illegal. With all the hoops you need to jump through to get one, I would guess that most who do own them have not obtained them legally.
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Oh boy, I am so happy for you..... :) Go get a cookie now...

what hoops? it is not that hard, it is easier than getting a DoD clearance but requires people who are serious about responsibility because it all comes down to being responsible.

But your assumption about the ownership seems to be riddled with what some would call ignorance - you know without "knowledge". Maybe it is that naiveté rubbing off on you that is present in many who take sides without thinking for themselves and just can't grip the reality of that what they are being fed may be wrong? I don't know if thast is even close to an accurate guess.... I would say a majority of the people who actually own them have obtained them legally either through a transfer or inheritance. I think you are much smart than that to fall for the Brady talking points, don't you?
 
LDB

LDB

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greg334 said:
I think you are much smart than that to fall for the Brady talking points, don't you?
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I used to harbor that same misconception about certain liberals. They have effectively convinced me otherwise now.
 
DougTravels

DougTravels

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layoutshooter said:
First, if I have time tomorrow I will look up some of the many lists of firearms that the "left" wants outlawed. Most include many if not all semi-auto's, rifles or shotguns.

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