If you are Running in Tenn on St Rt 64

[chefdennis]

and are around the City of Whiteville today April 4th, make sure you buckle-up...I know we all should be, but some still don't...But this checkpoint is a bit different:

Whiteville Tenn. Police,Military & DHS hold Joint Seat Belt Checkpoint

Fri. Apr. 03, 06:25am
Whiteville Tenn. Police,Military & DHS hold Joint Seat Belt Checkpoint | Politics4All - Real World Politics Daily

The Hardeman County, Tennessee, Bulletin Times announcing a seat belt checkpoint to be conducted on April 4 “in conjunction with a Homeland Security training exercise by the 251st Military Police in Bolivar who recently returned from Iraq” (see a PDF version of the announcement here, on page two).

The operation in Hardeman county is similar to one held last December in San Bernardino County, California. The California operation was a collaboration between the California Highway Patrol and the Marine Corps Air and Ground Combat Center. It did not include Homeland Security.

“Dispatching Marines on California highways is an obvious violation of the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 16, 1878. The Act prohibits members of the federal uniformed services, including military police, from working with state and local police and law enforcement,” reported in December. The seat belt checkpoint in Tennessee with the participation of military police is also a direct violation of the Posse Comitatus Act.

The collaboration between Homeland Security, the military, and local law enforcement in Tennessee sets a dangerous new precedent. In the case U.S. v. Martinez-Fuerte, the Supreme Court ruled that DHS checkpoints could be set up to search for illegal immigrants and smugglers and so long as the checkpoints and searches were brief and for that purpose only they could be done anywhere within 100 miles of a US border. It appears DHS is now moving beyond U.S. v. Martinez-Fuerte and expanding operations beyond the 100 mile limit.

DHS will likely argue they are not conducting the checkpoints in Tennessee and are there only as monitors. However, this point will be lost on the victims of the checkpoints when they see uniformed military police and DHS personnel.

In California, the attention of the media put the CHP and the Marines on the defensive. Last month, the coverage of the MIAC documents in Missouri by alternative media resulted in wide coverage of the issue in the corporate media. In response to the attention, the Missouri State Police and the governor of the state were obliged to repudiate the document and order an investigation into the Missouri Information Analysis Center’s practice of designating followers of political candidates Ron Paul, Bob Barr, and Chuck Baldwin as “militia” terrorists.

Attention placed on the operation in Tennessee will produce similar results.

While i have no issue with these check points one way or the other, other then they are just money makers for the cities, i wonder why they feel the need to use the U.S military as an "observer"???? Maybe the sane thing they are trying to do with the "war games" they are doing in cities across the country now, to get the people use to seeing the armed military on our streets on a regular basis!?!?

Makes you go hmmmmm....

 

[aristotle]

I get an uncomfortable feeling whenever the federal government tries to bigfoot state and local law enforcement. Using the military in joint efforts with domestic LEO's just rubs the wrong way. It may be legal, but we don't have to like it. Are we moving towards a police state? I don't know. This newfangled DHS is a Frankenstein monster coming in the disguise of a friend.

 

[chefdennis]

I think i've heard it said a time or 2:

We are from the Government, and we are here to HELP you......."

For some reason, that statement just doesn't often ring true....at least not with most people i know....

 

[highway star]

Are you saying that "help" isn't the 4 letter word you'd use in that sentence?

 

[chefdennis]

LOL,. you pretty much got it!! But i have to ask, is it the 4 letter word YOU would use in that sentence!?!? LOL, something tells me I already know the answer.....

 

[chefdennis]

OVM wrote:

Hmmm DHS? How bout SS? Homeland? Troops on our highways and in the cities?
Root out "Domestic Terrorists? And whom may they be "as defined by the powers to be"

The dissenters of government policies? The protesters?

Well in MO, there are certain PTB that think if you are a Ron Paul or Bob Barr supporter or if you belong to a local Militia you are a Domestic terrorist............its going to get worse, alot worse, just wait till barry's new "brown shirts", I mean volunteer "Ameri-corp" type program gets into full swing, you know, the one he wants to have the same funding and arms as our regular miliatry has..............

 

[layoutshooter]

The use of Federal troops inside the U.S. for anykind of law inforcement is a very dangerous thing. There is a potential for both good and bad. The good might be seen in the use of troops in Detroit to quell the riots in 1967. It worked. I remember the VERY scary mixed feelings I felt as a 16 year old. Joy and relief as the riot finally came to an end and the feeling of un-ease, the idea that Federal Troops were in MY CITY and there to do law inforcement. A Federal Invasion of the State of Michigan.

Troops, mainly nation guard were used in the '60s during the war protests. Not a good thing. While it was known that many of these "Peace Protests", were both influenced by and to some degree organized by "agents" planted in U.S. colleges and universities, the use of the military to interfere with the needed excercise of a Peoples use of thier 1st amendment Rights.

The use of troops at Waco TX, to "root out" the Branch Devidians is another example of miss-use of troops.

Now this. There is NO ligidiment use of troops in Tenn today. Not one. Not even a joint exercise. This is a very sad day in the history in the decline of freedom.

Just an observation, in each case cited, the party in charge at the time of the use of troops was the Democrats. I have no doubt that the Republicans are no better, BUT, it does kind of seem that the Democrats seem to be a bit more "in your face" about it and far more interested in increasing the role of Federal troops in civilian law inforcement.

This is a very dangerous practice and one that should be resisted by every means available. There is only one end to what we are seeing today. The loss of our freedom. One definition of a police state is when the police/military have all the means of control, IE: weapons and use that force to control a population. Sound familure?

Layoutshooter

 

[Pilgrim]

“Dispatching Marines on California highways is an obvious violation of the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 16, 1878. The Act prohibits members of the federal uniformed services, including military police, from working with state and local police and law enforcement,'reported in December..."

Obama's Brownshirts or proposed "civilian defense force equally as powerful as the military" would be his way of getting around the Posse Comitatus Act. Although I'm all for rounding up illegal immigrants and drug runners, there's a way to handle this process within the law. I wonder why we aren't hearing squeals of protest from the same people that were so concerned about the violations of our rights with the Patriot Act? At any rate, I'm waiting for the day when I'm stopped at one of these roadblocks and the jack-booted thug with an M-16 over his shoulder says "Papers, Please."

 

[Tennesseahawk]

They smell a revolution, and are practicing to quell it before it begins.

 

[Turtle]

People need to do a little more research on the Posse Comitatus Act, I think.

 

[Pilgrim]

The Posse Comitatus Act in its entirety:

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]-Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 1385[/FONT]​

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[Turtle]

It has been amended a couple of times for various reasons, and precedents in the courts have narrowed (or broadened, depending on your point of view) the way is it applied, of course, but for the most part, it's to prevent someone, like the local sheriff, from commandeering the military for law enforcement purposes, as what happened in the South during Reconstruction.

The law itself really needs a rewrite for contemporary times, specifically (IMNSHO) to prevent the Department of Homeland Security from overstepping its bounds, as the law itself, amendments and precedents have expressly allowed, by default, the Coast Guard and all of the State National Guards to be pressed into domestic service for local and state law enforcement, as well as for homeland defense. The intent of the law has been severely eroded over the last 30 or 40 years so that the law itself is more of a procedural formality than an actual deterrent to the use of US military forces at home.

Here's an excellent recap, as well as a thorough explanation as to who the law applies to, and when. And it makes a very good case for why the law needs to be rewritten.
The Posse Comitatus Act and Homeland Security

 

[aristotle]

Whether the US military is acting as observers or actual participants, the mere presence of armed troops, tanks and machine guns mounted on Hummers will have its desired effect of intimidating the public. Keeping us docile is the plan. Any one remember the lone guy who stared down a tank at Tiananmen Square? Are we heading toward a similar event? Somehow, I just can't see our military personnel carrying out such orders.

 

[layoutshooter]

Most of those serving today would not fight against thier countrymen, but many will. Watch out though for a change in recruting tactics to inlist more that would. Be VERY careful if Colon Powell gets into the act. Layoutshooter

 

[aristotle]

An American Tiananmen Square? It was a pro democracy movement in China. What would our grievances be?

 

[Turtle]

Same thing.

 

[layoutshooter]

Yep, we would standing up for our Rights. You know those things that are meant to insure our power OVER the Government? Layoutshooter

 

[aristotle]

Same thing.

Yeah. We are a one thing on paper and something else in practice. We need a smaller central government with greater emphasis on states rights. I know it's only a pipedream. We have ceded way too much power to a centralized government. They have their tentacles in every aspect of our lives.

 

[layoutshooter]

Just say NO!! We have the power to take back our Rights. We just have to want to and NOT be AFRAID to act. Most I fear are. That IS how we got into this mess. The way to fix it? Vote out EVERY incumbent, reguardless of party, for the next 3 to 5 elections. IF that does not work or things continue to get worse, stop paying taxes. Take away thier monopoly money and they have NO power. All it takes is good old fashioned American GUTS!! Anyone with GUTS left our there? Layoutshooter

 

[chefdennis]

Turtle is right, Posse Comitatus has been changed more then a few times to suit the needs of the fed gov. And he is right that it needs to be totally re-written for todays times,l it needs to make sure that the US Military is never used against the people of this country on our soil. If there is a need for military troops, the states have the power to use the State National Guard , as it should be.

Now, my hometown had the national spotlight shined on it 2 yrs ago when our mayor refused to let the Marine corps. use sections of our downtown for urban training on a weekend when our downtown is like a ghost town....they had been in our city in yrs past and this weekend traininf session was approved by enough underlings and the county commissioners, that the mayor was why out of bounds when he had the troops block from entering the city.

Now I have no problem with this type of training at all. The public was made aware weeks in advance on a daily basis on the radio, TV, Newsprint and the internet....the people were aware. This was a traing exercise in an urban center. Some say that the military has enough 'bases" set up as urban centers that they don't need to do this... i don't know if they do or don't but to me, any change in operations should be trained for, so to use different locations exposes our troops to other enviroments and what made be other dangers to their safety to over come...I say go for it....

Now that being said, this "Observation of TRAFFIC STOPS" for a "seatbelt violators swipe" , is nothing that the military needs to "practice", unless it is to ask, "papers please".........and to get the people use to seeing armed troops as i and a few others have said here.

Yes we need a "Tiananmen Square" type confrontation here, for the reason spoken of by a few others, but also to make the point that "we the people" are the true government, not those in elected office, and the time is quickly coming that more then a few of those americans that aren't sitting watching American idiol and wondering what they will do now that the "guiding light" has been cancelled have just about had enough and are arming themselves and are becoming willing to take back our country as the founding fathers said needed to be done from time to time, by the blood of patriots and tyrants, if those in those elected officials don't get there act together soon.

You think that those on the hill aren't seeing the number of "tea Parties" that are happening and the number of people that are becoming involved.....well i pray they do, because if we continue down the road we have been on for a while and the one that has been accelerated within the last 100 days, its going to be a "long hot summer"....those cops killed in pitts. the immigrants killed the day before....they will be just the beginning


2010 can't get here fast enough , we just need to hope barry hasn't caused soo much damage in the short time he will have been in office that it can't be turned around......