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Turtle

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My country is the USA , not Isreal..And yes anyone who is dumb enough to bad mouth vets doesn't belong here..

That's your personal opinion. And considering the fact that we have free speech in this country, it's a way wrong opinion.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I could give a rat's aѕѕ about Israel.
That is a big lie,,,,you know it is. If you didn't care about it or the zionist shylocks running it you wouldn't come up with so much bs..let alone insult your host countries vets

Well, no, it's not a lie. I know that because I'm the one that said it and I'm the one that could care less about Israel. If you choose to not believe it, that's your problem, not mine. I'm not even sure what possible gain you have in believing the lie, but you do seem to desperately want to believe so many lies, I guess one more won't hurt.

Incidentally, please quote me where I insulted any vets (other than you, of course). You can't, can you?

Surprising that you and other Navy vets don't possess a little more intestinal fortitude than that.
Putting our lives on the line for ungratefull windbags takes more then what you could comprehend.

What a load of crap. Just because you served in the military doesn't absolve you from being a moron, nor does it mean that you can can spout idiocy with impunity. It's vets like you who are giving real vets a bad name.

Well why don't you get in touch with Abbie Hoffman and gang along with Jane Fonda and Bunch apologise?

Huh?

If you could ,I would..But you can't...And yes time after time I have...Go back to the Kosher Tax scam you defended so much...

If I could, you would, yet you haven't yet. The Kosher Tax scam is a good example, where I showed you that it (a) wasn't a tax and (b) isn't a scam, yet you continue to believe both. Continuing to believe a lie in the face of the truth is the mark of the mentally ill. You say, "Why is this Kosher and why is that Kosher?" using that as evidence for a scam, even after I and others have pointed out the reasons for certain products being Kosher certified. You dismissed it all out of hand because non of it supported your erroneous beliefs. That, again, is the mark of the mentally deficient.


A zionist crumb is the little bit of dried blood the vampires forgot to stock pile..
Dried blood? Vampires? What is the matter with you?

And yes you did say crew of the USS Liberty was at fault.
Give me a quote, please.

Although a American intelligence ship is pretty hard to tell the difference between it and a Egyptian cattle ship..Especially one with BIG American flags all over it.
Yeah, just like it's hard tell the difference between two American Blackhawk helicopters with great big American flags painted on the side from Iranian gunships, yet the US Air Force managed make that mistake, too. Where is your outrage over that? I had a friend on one of those Blackhawks.


And yes you do owe Navy and Marine vets an apology for stating such a stupid thing
Still ask you find the proof where the Liberty crew was fault? Their is none. They were not.
I never said the crew was at fault. Not once. Why do you keep on lying about that? I thought you military men had honor. You obviously have none.

UNPROVOKED attack buy your buddies to try to get us into their war....
You call in unprovoked, everyone else calls in an accident. In war time, shίt happens, and that's exactly what happened.

They got away with it once whats to stop then from doing again?
Here's one you can't answer. If they got away with it once, and since there's nothing stopping them from getting away with it again, why haven't they done it again?

[quote[And if you believe a person who is anti zionist is a anti semitic your a true fool.[/quote]
Not all anti-Zionists are anit-Semitic. You are, tho.

What about Jews who are anti Zionist,,,are they anti semitic?
Depends on how they manifest their anti-zionism. A Zionist is one who supports the notion of an independent state of Israel. Some Jews support that, some don't. Some Jews hate their ancestry to much that they they themselves becomes anti-Semitic.

You never did answer that one after asking 4 times.
By and large that's a meaningless question.

I truly believe your Un American... Vets like me made it so low life's can truly hate the USA.Let you talk your nonsense about us.
It's vets like you who give real vets a bad name. You want to be worshiped because you served. You want people to take everything you say as gospel because you served. 'Oh, Im so special because I served.' Well, yer not.

True your full ride scholarship does make a difference....You don't have clue what its like to be vet. Why don't you move away...
So now you have to have served in the military to live in this country? What kind of twisted little play are you performing here?

Incidentally, as for not having a clue, you're right in that I've never served so I don't know exactly what it was like, but, my dad was at Pearl on December 7, 1941 at the age of 15, lied about his age and enlisted a year later, served at many of the major battles in the South Pacific, and eventually became a CMC before the end of his 20 years in the Navy. Also, I was part of a geek team that worked on hard drive data recovery after the Oklahoma City Bombing, and spent five weeks doing the same thing at the Pentagon immediately after 911 to recover data necessary leading up to the invasion of Afghanistan. We bunked at the Pentagon and worked nearly 24/7 due to the drop-dead date of when it had to be completed, as lives depended upon the information we recovered.

So while I have never served, per se, the concepts of what it's like to be a vet and of serving my country is not exactly foreign to me.

Why don't you tell Juan McCainstein or Obongo for that matter to get over the holocaust too..
They never return my calls.

Why don't you tell those clowns to put a the USA first instead of isreal first..
Why, won't they listen to you whehn you tell them?

Really are you packing up to move to your country? How soon?
An honorable vet would never say that.
 

theBeemer

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I would assume the moderator sent you a little note about attacks Mr. Turtle? Would you like my email and phone? Maybe we can meet and discuss it further? Know you have not gotten away with your insults p a l. I respect the moderators wishes..Lets meet sometime and you can talk all of your tuff guy talk right to my face ok?
 

Turtle

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I would assume the moderator sent you a little note about attacks Mr. Turtle?
Sorry, no.

Would you like my email and phone? Maybe we can meet and discuss it further?
No thanks. I can't imagine that further discussions would be entertaining, enlightening, or productive.

Know you have not gotten away with your insults p a l. I respect the moderators wishes..Lets meet sometime and you can talk all of your tuff guy talk right to my face ok?
Kewl, another thinly veiled threat. Whatcha gonna do, beat me up 'cause you can't hack it intellectually?

Honor, Courage, Committment.


Those things actually mean something to most Navy veterans. It's a shame they lost all meaning with you. Hopefully one day you will understand their meaning and importance.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Turtle..you are having waay too much fun with this....

Whats a Zionist anyways? A Jewish businessman?

Don't ya think if the Jewish or Zionists controlled the country they would have put a stop to all these muslums/Islams from immigrating here?

From what I've read this Zionist crap goes back as far as the 20's and still it goes on....
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
There is a great line from a Kingston Trio song, (yeah, go ahead and laugh, I AM THAT old!)

It goes, "And I don't like anybody very much!!!" (anyone know the name of that song?, I do)


Perfect for this discussion.!!!

LOL, lighten up a bit. Let's get one thing straight. ALL polititions suck. They All lie. They ALL are out to line thier own pockets with the fruits of your labor. I just like to "Light" things up in here once and a while for a laugh. After all, it's all just a big joke, on you.

Layoutshooter
 

Moot

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There is a great line from a Kingston Trio song, (yeah, go ahead and laugh, I AM THAT old!)

It goes, "And I don't like anybody very much!!!" (anyone know the name of that song?, I do)

Layoutshooter


The Merry Minuet. I would list who the songwriter was but it may start something.
 

layoutshooter

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You win a cookie MOOT!!! You must be at least 50 to know that one. The Kingston Trio did not like LBJ at all, they were one of the original anti-war groups and blamed LBJ for the mess. They were correct, LBJ was responsible. I did sort of agree with him on the stratigic side but not the tactical. We should have just finished it off right from the start. Would have keep the Soviets out. Oh well, it was a great song and they did it well. I guess you would remember the line, "EH too Charlie?" Layoutshooter
 

Moot

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I guess you would remember the line, "EH too Charlie?" Layoutshooter

I'm over 50 but don't recall that line. I do remember the Kingston Trio's version of Seeger's Where Have All The Flowers Gone. Of course just about every folkie during the 60's covered that one. Thanks for the cookie!
 

layoutshooter

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WOW, I got the Moot? What a day this is!!! LOL. It is a little tag line on the fade out on "MTA" one of my favorite "Trio" songs. Another little ditty in there during the banjo solo, "Kinda hurts my fingers". Seen them live in Japan, great show. So was B.B. King when he came. Layoutshooter
 

theBeemer

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Sorry, no.

No thanks. I can't imagine that further discussions would be entertaining, enlightening, or productive.

Kewl, another thinly veiled threat. Whatcha gonna do, beat me up 'cause you can't hack it intellectually?

Its true anytime anywhere tuff guy you want to run your mouth to my face let me know

I can do qyuite well but your moderator buddy threatens allthough your attacks were quite worse...What gives Tennesee Hawk this is friend? Discrimate
Honor, Courage, Committment.

Another thing your truely are a little punk *******

Something a windbag like you has no comprehension about

Those things actually mean something to most Navy veterans. It's a shame they lost all meaning with you. Hopefully one day you will understand their meaning and importance.


No never lost them and you never had them, you never will.

See you will get me mad real mad..Your buddy will probably ban me.I will come back and bring a few friends with me and whole thing will get shut down.....How much do you want to bet putz? So keep your smart *** attacks towards and watch stupid
 

theBeemer

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Turtle..you are having waay too much fun with this....

Whats a Zionist anyways? A Jewish businessman?

Don't ya think if the Jewish or Zionists controlled the country they would have put a stop to all these muslums/Islams from immigrating here?

From what I've read this Zionist crap goes back as far as the 20's and still it goes on....

Here is some great readings about zionist...Glad you asked.Now watch turtle dum de dum his way around it.Come on boy get your crumbs.............

Jewish supremacism/zionism


"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.
Big time zionist...[/SIZE][/SIZE]


"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online
Another Big time zionist


"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."
--Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994

And another


"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist." --Golda Meir, in a statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June 1969.
BY God here is another
The list goes on..But if you say anything agaisnt these Vampires your anti semtic..Right Mr. Know it all crumb boy?


Just a handful of quotes from the hate filled Talmud:
Your such know it all on everything Mr.Turtle is this not in their talmud? So are you a Gentile or Goyim? I think crumb catchers are referred to as Goyim

"To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly."
--Libbre David 37

"A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
--Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17

"When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."
--Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156

"Kill the Goyim by any means possible."
--Choshen Ha'mishpat 425:50

Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.
Midrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L




"Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between animals."
--Talmud Sanhedrin 74b


"It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile."
--Sepher ikkarim III c 25


"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog."
--Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b

"Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human."
--Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b


"A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal."
--Coschen hamischpat 405


"Do not save Goyim in danger of death.
Show no mercy to the Goyim."
--Hilkkoth Akum X1


"A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat."
Hadarine, 20, B; Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348


"Tob shebbe goyyim harog - Even the best of the Goyim (Gentiles) should be killed."
--Soferim 15, Rule 10


"That the Jewish nation is the only nation selected by God, while all the remaining ones are contemptible and hateful.
That all property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which consequently is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples. An orthodox Jew is not bound to observe principles of morality towards people of other tribes. He may act contrary to morality, if profitable to himself or to Jews in general.
A Jew may rob a Goy, he may cheat him over a bill, which should not be perceived by him, otherwise the name of God would become dishonoured."
--Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat, 348

Any of this not true Mr. Turtle? They are your close friends and you know everything about them

Look up this one for proof one of my favorites......But the pay the kosher tax ya ya ya

“My opinion of Christian Zionists? They’re scum. But don’t tell them that. We need all the useful idiots we can get right now,” - Bibi Netanyahu, former prime minister of Israel.
Make a bet he is a anti Goyim zionsit?

Here is another good one

Permit me to control the money of a nation and I care not who makes its laws. -Mayer Amschel Bauer, patriarch, Rothschild/Red Shield international banking dynasty

Want to bet they are a zionist family??

If the American people ever allow banks control of the issuance of their currency, the banks and the corporations that will grow up around them will, first by inflation and then by deflation, deprive the people of their property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. –Thomas Jefferson

Those founding fathers again

I’ve never seen a President — I don’t care who he is — stand up to them. It just boggles the mind. They always get what they want. The Israelis know what is going on all the time. I got to the point where I wasn’t writing anything down. If the American people understood what a grip these people have got on our government, they would RISE UP IN ARMS. Our citizens certainly don’t have any idea what goes on.”
– Thomas H. Moorer (1912 - 2004) Admiral US Navy & Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff during interview on August 24, 1983.
Wonder who he is talking about..Clue not Muslims

How about this one so true..
During an argument between the Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres, Peres said that Isralis' policies of continued violence might "turn the US against us".

To this Sharon retorted:

]]"EVERY TIME WE DO SOMETHING, YOU TELL ME AMERICANS WILL DO THIS AND WILL DO THAT. I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING VERY CLEAR: DON'T WORRY ABOUT AMERICAN PRESSURE ON ISRAEL;

WE, THE JEWISH PEOPLE, CONTROL AMERICA. AND THE AMERICANS KNOW IT."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon
October 3, 2001
(IAP News)

A zionist

Politicians of the 'free world' are too cowardly oppose Zionism.
So are the Goyim who defend all their actions...Right Mr. Turtle?

OOOOO your anti semtic if you say anything about these vampires,,,oooo even Jewish folks who say anything about them are anti semtic....Something like that huh?.Mr. Turtle? Isn't that what you state?..
 

theBeemer

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While we are on the subject and Mr. Turtles buddy will probably have me banned I will come back again lets have the brillant, enlightened, riviting, ya ya ya Mr. Turtles thought of this one I noticed...You Chirstians can answer to...Espicially when it says in the bible this and that so who are we actually following?


Because Jesus was/is not a jew. He was from the tribe of Judah and Levi. The tribe of Judah was referred to as "Judiahites"(sp?), not "jews"
The present day jews (Sephardic) were citizens of Judea and were of the Edomites (Esau)/Caaninites. They were referred to as "Judeans" from where we get the term "jew" They were not and have not ever been Israelites. They have some Hebrew blood from Esau (Jacob/Israel brother), but through miscegination that's about it.

The majority of jews are Azkanazi(sp?) and are a mixture of turkish,asian and edomite blood for the most part.

They are imposters who have fooled the whole world.

Up until modern times, the majority of people understood these facts. The early Christians most certainly did.

So tell us why we should pay a kosher tax to them?
 

theBeemer

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Turtle..you are having waay too much fun with this....

Whats a Zionist anyways? A Jewish businessman?

Don't ya think if the Jewish or Zionists controlled the country they would have put a stop to all these muslums/Islams from immigrating here?

No not at all..Keep stirring it up between the classes to keep the focus off them...Remember the kosher packing plant in Iowa staffed by Samolis?

From what I've read this Zionist crap goes back as far as the 20's and still it goes on....

Actually about the 1870s

Zionist control of the Media This whole buch are zionist..

MORTIMER ZUCKERMAN, owner of NY Daily News, US News & World Report and chair of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish American Organizations, one of the largest pro-Israel lobbying groups.

LESLIE MOONVES, president of CBS television, great-nephew of David Ben-Gurion, and co-chair with Norman Ornstein of the Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers, appointed by Clinton.

JONATHAN MILLER, chair and CEO of AOL division of AOL-Time-Warner

NEIL SHAPIRO, president of NBC News

JEFF GASPIN, Executive Vice-President, Programming, NBC

DAVID WESTIN, president of ABC News

SUMNER REDSTONE, CEO of Viacom, "world's biggest media giant" (Economist, 11/23/2) owns Viacom cable, CBS and MTVs all over the world, Blockbuster video rentals and Black Entertainment TV.

MICHAEL EISNER, major owner of Walt Disney, Capitol Cities, ABC.

RUPERT MURDOCH, Owner Fox TV, New York Post, London Times, News of the World (Jewish mother)

MEL KARMAZIN, president of CBS

DON HEWITT, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes, CBS

JEFF :censoredsign:ER, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes II. CBS

DAVID POLTRACK, Executive Vice-President, Research and Planning, CBS

SANDY KRUSHOW, Chair, Fox Entertainment

LLOYD BRAUN, Chair, ABC Entertainment

BARRY MEYER, chair, Warner Bros.

SHERRY LANSING. President of Paramount Communications and Chairman of Paramount Pictures' Motion Picture Group.

HARVEY WEINSTEIN, CEO. Miramax Films.

BRAD SIEGEL., President, Turner Entertainment.

PETER CHERNIN, second in-command at Rupert Murdoch's News. Corp., owner of Fox TV

MARTY PERETZ, owner and publisher of the New Republic, which openly identifies itself as pro-Israel. Al Gore credits Marty with being his "mentor."

ARTHUR O. SULZBERGER, JR., publisher of the NY Times, the Boston Globe and other publications.

WILLIAM SAFIRE, syndicated columnist for the NYT.

TOM FRIEDMAN, syndicated columnist for the NYT.

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post. Honored by Honest Reporting.com, website monitoring "anti-Israel media."

RICHARD COHEN, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post

JEFF JACOBY, syndicated columnist for the Boston Globe

NORMAN ORNSTEIN, American Enterprise Inst., regular columnist for USA Today, news analyst for CBS, and co-chair with Leslie Moonves of the Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers, appointed by Clinton.

ARIE FLEISCHER, Dubya's press secretary.

STEPHEN EMERSON, every media outlet's first choice as an expert on domestic terrorism.

DAVID SCHNEIDERMAN, owner of the Village Voice and the New Times network of "alternative weeklies."

DENNIS LEIBOWITZ, head of Act II Partners, a media hedge fund

KENNETH POLLACK, for CIA analysts, director of Saban Center for Middle East Policy, writes op-eds in NY Times, New Yorker

BARRY DILLER, chair of USA Interactive, former owner of Universal Entertainment

KENNETH ROTH, Executive Director of Human Rights Watch

RICHARD LEIBNER, runs the N.S. Bienstock talent agency, which represents 600 news personalities such as Dan Rather, Dianne Sawyer and Bill O'Reilly.

TERRY SEMEL, CEO, Yahoo, former chair, Warner Bros.

MARK GOLIN, VP and Creative Director, AOL

WARREN LIEBERFORD, Pres., Warner Bros. Home Video Div. of AOL- TimeWarner

JEFFREY ZUCKER, President of NBC Entertainment

JACK MYERS, NBC, chief.NYT 5.14.2

SANDY GRUSHOW, chair of Fox Entertainment

GAIL BERMAN, president of Fox Entertainment

STEPHEN SPIELBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks

JEFFREY KATZENBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks

DAVID GEFFEN, co-owner of Dreamworks

LLYOD BRAUN, chair of ABC Entertainment

JORDAN LEVIN, president of Warner Bros. Entertainment

MAX MUTCHNICK, co-executive producer of NBC's "Good Morning Miami"

DAVID KOHAN, co-executive producer of NBC's "Good Morning Miami"

HOWARD STRINGER, chief of Sony Corp. of America

AMY PASCAL, chair of Columbia Pictures

JOEL KLEIN, chair and CEO of Bertelsmann's American operations

ROBERT SILLERMAN, founder of Clear Channel Communications

BRIAN GRADEN, president of MTV entertainment

IVAN SEIDENBERG, CEO of Verizon Communications

WOLF BLITZER, host of CNN's Late Edition

LARRY KING, host of Larry King Live

TED KOPPEL, host of ABC's Nightline

ANDREA KOPPEL, CNN Reporter

PAULA ZAHN, CNN Host

MIKE WALLACE, Host of CBS, 60 Minutes

BARBARA WALTERS, Host, ABC's 20-20

MICHAEL LEDEEN, editor of National Review

BRUCE NUSSBAUM, editorial page editor, Business Week

DONALD GRAHAM, Chair and CEO of Newsweek and Washington Post, son of

CATHERINE GRAHAM MEYER, former owner of the Washington Post

HOWARD FINEMAN, Chief Political Columnist, Newsweek

WILLIAM KRISTOL, Editor, Weekly Standard, Exec. Director
Project for a New American Century (PNAC)

RON ROSENTHAL, Managing Editor, San Francisco Chronicle

PHIL BRONSTEIN, Executive Editor, San Francisco Chronicle,

RON OWENS, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)

JOHN ROTHMAN, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)

MICHAEL SAVAGE, Talk Show Host, KFSO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco) Syndicated in 100 markets

MICHAEL MEDVED, Talk Show Host, on 124 AM stations

DENNIS PRAGER, Talk Show Host, nationally syndicated from LA. Has Israeli flag on his home page.

BEN WATTENBERG, Moderator, PBS Think Tank.

ANDREW LACK, president of NBC

DANIEL MENAKER, Executive Director, Harper Collins

DAVID REZNIK, Editor, The New Yorker

NICHOLAS LEHMANN, writer, the New York

HENRICK HERTZBERG, Talk of the Town editor, The New Yorker

SAMUEL NEWHOUSE JR, and DONALD NEWHOUSE own Newhouse Publications, includes 26 newspapers in 22 cities; the Conde Nast magazine group, includes The New Yorker; Parade, the Sunday newspaper supplement; American City Business Journals, business newspapers published in more than 30 major cities in America; and interests in cable television programming and cable systems serving 1 million homes.

DONALD NEWHOUSE, chairman of the board of directors, Associated Press.

PETER R KANN, CEO, Wall Street Journal, Barron's

RALPH J. & BRIAN ROBERTS, Owners, Comcast-ATT Cable TV.

LAWRENCE KIRSHBAUM, CEO, AOL-Time Warner Book Group

Makes me wonder,,,but hey the crumb catchers have them covered...right Mr.Turtle?
 
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