What Our leader are not

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Over my 57+ years on this planet I have had the privilege to know many amazing people, Relatives, friends and co-workers. The thing that impressed me about all these people is how they gave of themselves for others and made the most of what ever gifts they were given, regardless how small those gifts might have been. I am going to give you a background on some of them. They are living or did live quality lives. It is a total shame that our political leaders cannot live up to the example of these people’s lives.

1. My Father: He spent most of his time in the military in the C.B. I. (China, Burma and India for t those who did not study history.) In Burma he was with the Mars Task Force, the outfit that took over for Merrill’s Marauders . He would be in the field for months on end, most of the time behind enemy lines, calling in air strikes on enemy positions. After the war, he married and went to work as a miner. He dug salt for almost 40 years. He did this so he could give my mom and my two brothers and me a good life. Along the way he took many neighbor boys hunting and fishing because their own dads did nothing with them. To this day my dad will give his last dime to someone who needs it more than he does.

2. Uncle Chuck: He was career Air Force. He was a tail gunner in a bomber in Korea. He was killed in the line of duty. Not in combat but at Bunker Hill Air Force Base in Indiana. He was working in a blizzard, clearing a runway for an incoming flight. There was near zero visibility. He saw that two large runway plows were headed for each other and stood there and directed one away to insure that they would not collide. The second one did not see him and killed him.

3. Mike Schmidt, a good friend in a small town in South Central Pennsylvania where we used to live. He has spent most of his life putting his life on the line as a volunteer firefighter. He has risked his own life on many occasions, for no pay, to help members of his community.

4. Steve Day: Another good friend from that same town. Stevie is different than us, he is mentally challenged. He holds down a job in a local grocery store, bagging for customers. He takes great pride in his work. This same man, not bright like we are, is a volunteer firefighter. He is not capable of going into buildings when they are burning, not capable of handling a hose. He just lifts and carries. Cleans the trucks, helps with moving the hoses whenever we were drafting from a stream. I never heard him complain about his lot in life. He has made the best of what he had and gives of himself for others.

5. Tom Zazolka: A good friend from my old spy days. He spent his entire life serving his nation. First in the Air Force and then a career in the NSA where I knew him. In addition to his service to all of you he would take his nephews hunting and fishing. He died last October. Dropped dead of a heart attack at his hunting camp. He was only 63. The stress of what he did for all of you caught up with him.

These are just a few of the fine people I have known. There are many many more. More than I could ever put in one posting. I have been lucky to be associated with so many fine people. Our so called leaders need to be more like them. Layoutshooter
 

arkjarhead

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Or you could say we need more of those people to be leaders in the National areana. A fellow church member and myself were talking Wednesday about how we need to vote out all these people in Congress and start over. Thosse are the types we need up there.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Joe..you could vote them all out wouldn't matter...just a bunch of new crooks...

This country has to re-define what a poitician is...

NO lobby money
NO campaign contributions...

Let them stand on a street corner and campaign, work thier butts off if they want the job....

No more owing anyone anything...

Pass a bill as is.....NO add ons.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Voting them all out is the first step. No add on's is the next. A 90 day session in next, Mid July thur mid August, NO air conditioning. It should have to take a 75% majority to pass a bill and a 51% majority to repeal a law. Layoutshooter
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Layout, you listed a few examples of some of the people that have had an affect on you and your life, and great examples they are.

We do need change in how our country is run and by whom, but the sad fact is, it ain't going to happen. The sheeple of the US have given themselves over to the "Let me fix it and take care of you" form of government we have in this country. The liberal "entitlement mentality" as become so embeded in our nation the the average citizen, just doesn't care as long as they have the govenment to fix it and take care of them, american idol on TV, and a beer in their hand at the end of the day. Now the beer ain't a bad thing, but my point is that the avgerage joe is too dependent on the government and is happy to be.

Now, I would never say that about most of the people on boards such as this for one reason, most here aren't lookng for a handout from the government to help them along their way in life. Those here have choosen to go out on their own and make their way and deal with what the business world, the government and life gives them daily. The average sheeple of american, can't hold a light to those that decide to take their own situations in their own hands and deal with life without the need of a "entitlement" program.

We have let the goverment take control the people instead of how our founding dads set it up so that we the people controlled the government, and i am afraid that taking back our government just isn't going to happen through the voting box. Our founding fathers were very aware that what we have today was a possiblity and they even went as far as to make it clear that from time to time, the people needed to use force to take back their country and government, to "prune the tree of liberty" from time to time to make sure that those in office knew that the people were in control and not the other way around.

This next statement will probably get me in trouble here but, the sad fact is we the people have let this happen, and I personally just don't see a way of turning it around without armed conflict in our country again where the citizens take back our government and country, as the founding fathers stated would need to be done to protect what they gave us.

So yes you are exactly right, those in power in our country for the most part just are not of the character of the people you have had in your life. While those that posted on this thread before me have spoke of needed changes, and they are right and the changes stated would go along way to fixing things, I saddly feel it just won't happen........
 
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OntarioVanMan

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Chef..you cooked up a good one there...Yes I think it is too late..politicians are too embedded and the mindset well....set? I wonder just how long it will take the people to realize...if they ever do....Maybe the traditionists will never succeed again and just fade away....over generations
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
I am afraid it might be too late as well. I will fight if I had too. I am afraid that few others will. Layoutshooter
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
I will NEVER start a fight, I never have. I have though, finished everyone that was brought to me. Any leftist, Marxist etc is NOT my countrymen. They are the ******* children of a horrible enemy. I will not start this fight either, but I will fight to protect my God given right to freedom and self-determination. I would rather die fighting for my freedom than live as a slave. I will never give up ANYTHING that I have. I am not talking about "things" either, I am talkiing about my freedom. The left "hates" what I believe in. They will attack. You will see Soviet style oppression here. Sooner than most may think. If Obama is elected he will be the Last US president elected under a free flying flag. He is the re-incarnation of Stalin. Layoutshooter
 

chefdennis

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I too feel that not enough of the sheeple will step up and defend our country and make an effort to "take it back", and those people are also not my countrymen..........

As to fighting for the rights that God gave all men, I lay in waiting for the day to come, and it will come........

You all might enjoy spending time at another site that is for those that are concerned about the direction that our country has taken:

Welcome to The Tree of Liberty

Hope to see a few of you over there, while all are welcome, it s a there is a thin line that is walked if you try to "bust" on liberty, the us military and god.......Liberals just don't enjoy a lengthy stay... since it is a "private board", people are removed fr going against the mainstream, stop in, you might find it enlightening...
 

OntarioVanMan

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so what your saying Chef is they are not into educating the people as to what is going on... they just prefer to re-enforce what they already know with each other..???
 

layoutshooter

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The Left's entire exsistance is based on lies. They deliberatly DO NOT teach what really happened under Soviet rule. They are trying to put that into affect here. Layoutshooter
 

chefdennis

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OVM wrote:

so what your saying Chef is they are not into educating the people as to what is going on...

No not at all, what i am saying is that liberal ideals just don't float, it is a VERY conservative Right leaning group. Liberals are welcome, and they arewelcome to share their point of view, but when they try to bash the liberty that we all seek , the US military and God, well they just don't last too long. Now if you want the BS on what our government has become, welcome to the club, take on Bush and you will catch a fever from a few, but you won't be banished, but advocate for obama, or side with islam or muslums and you will see the backside of the door yesterday...

I guess you will have to stop in to see for yourself, you are all welcome!
 
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OntarioVanMan

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OVM wrote:



No not at all, what i am saying is that liberal ideals just don't float, it is a VERY conservative Right leaning group. Liberals are welcome, and they arewelcome to share their point of view, but when they try to bash the liberty that we all seek , the us military and God, well they just don't last too long. Now if you want the BS that our government has become, welcome to the club, take on Bush and you will catch a fever from a few, but you won't be banished, but advocate for obama, or side with islam or muslums and you will see the backside of the door yesterday...


I guess you will have to stop in to see for yourself, you are all welcome!

*LOL* I don't know enough to lean either way, the abanana way doesn't seem correct I am just learning the why now.... the dynamic 4 here are teachin me...speaking of which...where the heck is Leo????
 

paid vacationer

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Not sure who said it but, "People get the government they deserve." Based on what I see of MOST people in this country and the level of apathy, our current political condition shouldn't surprise those that actually pay attention. Apathy is this country's biggest obstacle to keeping in check those who would regulate our lives and punish our personal success. P.s.--- Any other Libertarians on here ??
 

greg334

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I really feel since the actions of the republican party after they gained power, the word conservitive defines less than it did in the past. Like someone once said "liberalism is not only the dominant but even the sole intellectual tradition... there are no conservative or reactionary ideas in circulation.." which in a modern context, the conservative movement is where the liberal movement was 20 or 25 years ago, made up of too many who are blurring the lines too much.

The country leans toward the old classic liberalism which is now anchored in the libertarian movement.

I consider myself a classic liberal, not really a libertarian yet but not a conservative and most definitely not a republican.
 

chefdennis

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I personally have no use for either party and would not ever consider joining either or declaring either at the voting booth. I have thrown campaign people from both parties off of my land, and not always in real nice terms, one was at the blinking of lazer sight from a XD-40, he listened then and no longer figured he would argue his point....

I have voted for people from both parties and will continue to do so, but I consider myself a independent conservative with Libertarians party and Constitutional party leanings.....And i never vote for the lesser f the evils, ever.....
 

greg334

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Well Dennis my point is this; conservatism is no longer defined as it used to be.

Being an independent puts even more ambiguity into the mix.

It is like being a libertarian in the past, some were only on the side of eliminating the drugs laws based on freedoms but others see something else in the party and while still others tried to make it out as something else, with no defining leadership or united goal.

So what is a conservative in today's world and then what is an independent conservative?

Parties are the secondary thing, they should be the vehicles within the ideology but failed to be such since Wilson. You see what I am getting at?
 

chefdennis

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I totally understand where you are coming from. For me my conservative views are strictly from a VERY limited government. If it isn't in the Constitution, then if the government invokes its in anyway, it is illegal, its that simple. We have way too many governmental agencies that are illegal, starting with the welfare system. Entitlement programs are that backbone of liberals and deprive people of their need to take care of themselves as well as most of them being illegal.

Both parties use an illegal tax system to steal from the people and give to those deemed in need, screw that, both are illegal. I can go on and on as to my conservative ideals, but you should be able to see where i am coming from.

As to being an independent, that simply means that i do not owe any party at all and will vote for what is in the best interest of the country and me and mine, not what a party feels is in the best interest of anyone or anything.

As for united goals, the only goal persay is to run the government according to the Constitution, nthing more nothing less.

No one would ever conside me to be "polictically correct" in any fashion at all......
 
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