'Your Life, Your Choices, well.... (death panels)

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Sen. Rick Santorum talked about this this morning on the bill Bennett show. This was put in place under the Clinton Admin..Bush removed it, and barry reinstituted it.....death panel??? At a minimum "steering" to make that decision.....under the advise or "consultation" of a "government medical expert"....you know something along the lines of what barry wants now in his healthcare bill that he sayes isn't in there....

OH!! yea its from a BLOG!!! And chances are worthless and the info here is not to believed at all..but you decide for yourself...

VA's Denial-of-Care-Oriented 'Your Life, Your Choices,' Quashed Under Bush, Revived Under Obama

By Tom Blumer (Bio | Archive)
August 20, 2009 - 15:16 ET
VA's Denial-of-Care-Oriented 'Your Life, Your Choices,' Quashed Under Bush, Revived Under Obama | NewsBusters.org

If you were a reporter trying to gauge the credibility of Obama administration protests that it is really serious when it says that it will honor patient, doctor, and family treatment wishes in serious illness situations if the government takes an exponentially greater role in health care, you might look into how areas of health care already controlled by the government are dealing with these sensitive matters.

Apparently either no journalist has cared to look, or if anyone has looked, they haven't found anything they believe is worth reporting.

In today's Wall Street Journal, Jim Towey, a former director of the Bush White House's Office of Faith-Based Initiatives and founder of the nonprofit Aging with Dignity, found a troubling, newsworthy, death-encouraging decision that has already been made during Barack Obama's short term in office.

As Towey chronicles and explains, it's in the Veterans Administration, and it really is appalling. Here are key excerpts from his column (bolds are mine):

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If President Obama wants to better understand why America's discomfort with end-of-life discussions threatens to derail his health-care reform, he might begin with his own Department of Veterans Affairs (VA). He will quickly discover how government bureaucrats are greasing the slippery slope that can start with cost containment but quickly become a systematic denial of care.

Last year, bureaucrats at the VA's National Center for Ethics in Health Care advocated a 52-page end-of-life planning document, "Your Life, Your Choices." It was first published in 1997 and later promoted as the VA's preferred living will throughout its vast network of hospitals and nursing homes. After the Bush White House took a look at how this document was treating complex health and moral issues, the VA suspended its use. Unfortunately, under President Obama, the VA has now resuscitated "Your Life, Your Choices."

Who is the primary author of this workbook? Dr. Robert Pearlman, chief of ethics evaluation for the center, a man who in 1996 advocated for physician-assisted suicide in Vacco v. Quill before the U.S. Supreme Court and is known for his support of health-care rationing.

"Your Life, Your Choices" presents end-of-life choices in a way aimed at steering users toward predetermined conclusions, much like a political "push poll." For example, a worksheet on page 21 lists various scenarios and asks users to then decide whether their own life would be "not worth living."

The circumstances listed include ones common among the elderly and disabled: living in a nursing home, being in a wheelchair and not being able to "shake the blues." There is a section which provocatively asks, "Have you ever heard anyone say, 'If I'm a vegetable, pull the plug'?" There also are guilt-inducing scenarios such as "I can no longer contribute to my family's well being," "I am a severe financial burden on my family" and that the vet's situation "causes severe emotional burden for my family."

When the government can steer vulnerable individuals to conclude for themselves that life is not worth living, who needs a death panel?

..... only one organization was listed in the new version as a resource on advance directives: the Hemlock Society (now euphemistically known as "Compassion and Choices").

This hurry-up-and-die message is clear and unconscionable. Worse, a July 2009 VA directive instructs its primary care physicians to raise advance care planning with all VA patients and to refer them to "Your Life, Your Choices." Not just those of advanced age and debilitated condition—all patients. America's 24 million veterans deserve better.


Towey wraps by challenging the president "to walk two blocks from the Oval Office and pull the plug on 'Your Life, Your Choices.'"

Don't hold your breath, Jim -- waiting for the president to make the walk, or waiting for anyone else in the press to note a federally-controlled health care system that is realizing the worst fears of those who believe in the dignity of life.

Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.

—Tom Blumer is president of a training and development company in Mason, Ohio, and is a contributing editor to NewsBusters
 

letzrockexpress

Veteran Expediter
Sen. Rick Santorum talked about this this morning on the bill Bennett show. This was put in place under the Clinton Admin..Bush removed it, and barry reinstituted it.....death panel??? At a minimum "steering" to make that decision.....under the advise or "consultation" of a "government medical expert"....you know something along the lines of what barry wants now in his healthcare bill that he sayes isn't in there....

OH!! yea its from a BLOG!!! And chances are worthless and the info here is not to believed at all..but you decide for yourself...

VA's Denial-of-Care-Oriented 'Your Life, Your Choices,' Quashed Under Bush, Revived Under Obama


Nice spin. The devil mixes lies with the truth...
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
It makes LITTLE difference if there are "death squads or pannels" written into this bill or not. There are some FACTS about Government that cannot be denied and for those reasons we CANNOT allow government controlled health care.

Governemts exterminated more than 100 MILLION people last century alone.

Governments migrate from benign to oppressive

Governmnents view the people as expendable

Governments only seek power and control and will stop at NOTHING to insure that they reach and maintain that goal.

SO, squads or benign pannels, DO NOT TRUST THEM!! ANYTHING that they do will eventually be abused for THEIR own good!! YOU are NOT important and IF you get in the WAY of their POWER LUST you can be "taken care of". Just ask the 100 MILLION!!! It HAS happened in the past and CAN and WILL happen in the future, UNLESS WE STAND UP AND STOP IT!!!!
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Go here and read the thing;

http://www.rihlp.org/pubs/Your_life_your_choices.pdf

I don't agree with the argument that is being used by this "lets find more cr*p to show that everything Obama is bad to make it a big deal". The book was handed to me and others in my family in 2002 when my mom was terminal and it helped us in different ways.

At the VA, from what I have seen, there is a lot of things that just isn't told to soldiers, some of it is kept from them for a reason. These guy/gals who already faced life and death decisions and should be informed, maybe the book should be written in a form that applies to their situation in life.

You do know most of you are missing one of the most important thing that we are going to be faced with - electronic medical records. Having the government hand out grants to get this done should scare the h*ll out of all of you because once this happens YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY PRIVACY.

You do know that in the House's version of the health care bill there is a little section, section 163, which set standards of transactions with health care expenditures. This includes accessing your financial information which will be tied directly to your health records - at the point of service in real time!

Now let's put this in terms that you can understand.

Today, this second, your life is controlled by your credit rating.

Your insurance, your loans, the rates of other things and even in many cases when you apply for a job, credit ratings are taken in consideration. But then think about the real time ability for someone, say a doctor in an ER to judge your ability to pay the bill that is not covered by medical insurance or worst yet, the disclosure of your medical records when you apply for a job. Once the government get their hand on the data, it is open for all to see.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
and from the WSJ:


AUGUST 18, 2009, 7:12 P.M. ET
Jim Towey: The Death Book for Veterans - WSJ.com

The Death Book for Veterans

Ex-soldiers don't need to be told they're a burden to society.

By JIM TOWEY

If President Obama wants to better understand why America's discomfort with end-of-life discussions threatens to derail his health-care reform, he might begin with his own Department of Veterans Affairs (VA). He will quickly discover how government bureaucrats are greasing the slippery slope that can start with cost containment but quickly become a systematic denial of care.

Last year, bureaucrats at the VA's National Center for Ethics in Health Care advocated a 52-page end-of-life planning document, "Your Life, Your Choices." It was first published in 1997 and later promoted as the VA's preferred living will throughout its vast network of hospitals and nursing homes. After the Bush White House took a look at how this document was treating complex health and moral issues, the VA suspended its use. Unfortunately, under President Obama, the VA has now resuscitated "Your Life, Your Choices."

Who is the primary author of this workbook? Dr. Robert Pearlman, chief of ethics evaluation for the center, a man who in 1996 advocated for physician-assisted suicide in Vacco v. Quill before the U.S. Supreme Court and is known for his support of health-care rationing.

"Your Life, Your Choices" presents end-of-life choices in a way aimed at steering users toward predetermined conclusions, much like a political "push poll." For example, a worksheet on page 21 lists various scenarios and asks users to then decide whether their own life would be "not worth living."

The circumstances listed include ones common among the elderly and disabled: living in a nursing home, being in a wheelchair and not being able to "shake the blues." There is a section which provocatively asks, "Have you ever heard anyone say, 'If I'm a vegetable, pull the plug'?" There also are guilt-inducing scenarios such as "I can no longer contribute to my family's well being," "I am a severe financial burden on my family" and that the vet's situation "causes severe emotional burden for my family."

When the government can steer vulnerable individuals to conclude for themselves that life is not worth living, who needs a death panel?

One can only imagine a soldier surviving the war in Iraq and returning without all of his limbs only to encounter a veteran's health-care system that seems intent on his surrender.

I was not surprised to learn that the VA panel of experts that sought to update "Your Life, Your Choices" between 2007-2008 did not include any representatives of faith groups or disability rights advocates. And as you might guess, only one organization was listed in the new version as a resource on advance directives: the Hemlock Society (now euphemistically known as "Compassion and Choices").

This hurry-up-and-die message is clear and unconscionable. Worse, a July 2009 VA directive instructs its primary care physicians to raise advance care planning with all VA patients and to refer them to "Your Life, Your Choices." Not just those of advanced age and debilitated condition—all patients. America's 24 million veterans deserve better.

Many years ago I created an advance care planning document called "Five Wishes" that is today the most widely used living will in America, with 13 million copies in national circulation. Unlike the VA's document, this one does not contain the standard bias to withdraw or withhold medical care. It meets the legal requirements of at least 43 states, and it runs exactly 12 pages.

After a decade of observing end-of-life discussions, I can attest to the great fear that many patients have, particularly those with few family members and financial resources. I lived and worked in an AIDS home in the mid-1980s and saw first-hand how the dying wanted more than health care—they wanted someone to care.

If President Obama is sincere in stating that he is not trying to cut costs by pressuring the disabled to forgo critical care, one good way to show that commitment is to walk two blocks from the Oval Office and pull the plug on "Your Life, Your Choices." He should make sure in the future that VA decisions are guided by values that treat the lives of our veterans as gifts, not burdens.

Mr. Towey, president of Saint Vincent College, was director of the White House Office of Faith-Based Initiatives (2002-2006) and founder of the nonprofit Aging with Dignity.

ps:

chris wallace talked about this issue at the va this morning on the radio on the brian and the judge show and he will discuss this this weekend on fox new tv on 3 different times over the weekend... but its just lies....oh and from a blog too :rolleyes:
 
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