Student Critically Wounded on First Day of School, Teacher Subdues Gunman - Yahoo! News Looks like the norm more than ever in America these days. School shootings are popular.
Yet another school shooting, will it ever end?
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EnglishLady
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I agree 
EnglishLady
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Schools should be a place of fun and learning where kids go to grow up, giggle, date, go to dances, and May Day stuff and school plays, and field trips, and basketball games and football and all that stuff, whoops, I went to school thru the 50's and 4 years into the 60's. It was that way for us, no one died in school shootings, we did not do that. Biggest thing to get in trouble over was smoking in the bathroom, mercy. Bet teachers are ready for that again, and not the mess they got now..........................
EnglishLady
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I don't know what this means ... "a free fire zone rather than a safe zone"
Hazard a guess .... students are allowed to take weapons to school ?????
Hazard a guess .... students are allowed to take weapons to school ?????
Laws prohibit the carry of weapons in schools. A good policy for students. A fool's policy for adults. Those adults who are properly licensed to carry a firearm and properly trained in it's use and capable of passing a minimum skills test should be authorized to carry even on school campuses. It would be a deterrent to many if not most of those who are shooting up schools. Why do they choose schools and not malls or police stations? Because schools are legally protected killing zones where there will be no opposition to their plans, i.e. a free fire zone for those with evil intent.
Allowing the proper people to carry on campus in the proper way will make such incidences much rarer. Nobody will be the wiser but the threat of true resistance will always be there. I know first hand of a case of an individual carrying on a school campus scores of times, primarily in the minuscule chance of the individual's own children needing protecting while there but ready to protect any of the children should the need arise. Never in any of the scores of times was anyone the wiser that the individual was armed. The same individual carried anywhere else that didn't use metal detectors or pat downs, again with nobody ever knowing there was a citizen in their presence.
Hopefully that explains it for you.
Allowing the proper people to carry on campus in the proper way will make such incidences much rarer. Nobody will be the wiser but the threat of true resistance will always be there. I know first hand of a case of an individual carrying on a school campus scores of times, primarily in the minuscule chance of the individual's own children needing protecting while there but ready to protect any of the children should the need arise. Never in any of the scores of times was anyone the wiser that the individual was armed. The same individual carried anywhere else that didn't use metal detectors or pat downs, again with nobody ever knowing there was a citizen in their presence.
Hopefully that explains it for you.
EnglishLady
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Family of alleged shooter "horrified" - Yahoo! News
Apparently the shooter had been bullied .... what happened to sorting things out with fisty cuffs?
"No one answered the door Monday evening at the home of the alleged shooter's mother. A sign at the house said, "We don't call 911" and had a carved relief of a gun"
Apparently the shooter had been bullied .... what happened to sorting things out with fisty cuffs?
"No one answered the door Monday evening at the home of the alleged shooter's mother. A sign at the house said, "We don't call 911" and had a carved relief of a gun"
AMonger
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A better way to put it: why don't schools in Israel have shoot-em-ups, considering they're surrounded by terrorist nations who want nothing more than their destruction? Because they intentionally post armed guards every-bleeping-where, and take them on field trips and such. You won't find a school in Israel without multiple armed guards (not in uniform) with automatic weapons. People with evil intent know better; they're evil, not stupid. They tend to choose the path of least resistance. Less resistance where your victims are disarmed by law.
In America, we have the reverse: an intentionally target-rich environment, where the decent people are disarmed by idiots. Now if you wanted to shoot up a school and had a choice of doing it in Israel or America, where would you do it?
Edit: iirc, the guards at Israeli schools are parents, not employees of the state, which would make things worse, not better.
And, axe yourself, why is it that gunmen don't shoot up police stations? Why choose schools or movie theaters, or other places where their victims are disarmed? I just answered my own question--because they prefer their victims disarmed rather than ready, willing, and able to shoot back.
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paullud
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The schools decided a fist fight was to violent and started taking drastic actions against it, the law of unintended consequences reared it's ugly head.
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ChrisGa23
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I love my guns I want more people to carry but it won't stop anyone from bringing a gun to a school or a work place etc and shooting up the place. Only thing an armed teacher can do is stop the shooting not prevent it. I got no idea how to stop this. Depression and anger along with a little bullying causes this from what I see. Fix them problems and I think we could see a decrease.
AMonger
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Untrue. Different criminals have different motivations. You know how it's said that you can't deter a crime of passion? Likewise, you can't deter a crime the motivation for which is murder-suicide, unless the gunman wants to take lots of people with him and figures his "take"will be limited. But that still leaves a lot of other crimes that can be deterred. Make it known, you show up even brandishing a weapon and you leave horizontally, and if you survive, you don't see the light of day for a long time. Actually pull a trigger, and you die in a fusillade of bullets.
If it's not going to be prevented, STOPPING it in the aforementioned manner is the next best thing. A lot of people in Aurora, CO would be a lot happier if someone in that theater had capped dumb@$$ after the first or second casualty.
moose
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overall i do not think the Israeli analogy play well into this tread, sorry, Apples and Avocados.
AMonger
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Ok, let's stipulate that, just for the sake of argument...we still have the matter of why places whet people have been disarmed get shot up, rather than police stations. There were some back in the turbulent 60s & 70s, but back then, things were politically motivated. Anybody remember a cop shop shooting similar to a school shooting or Aurora?
Shootings tend to happen at places where people aren't as likely to be armed, because that's where the shooters have the greatest likelihood of not getting shot back. It's the same reason John Dillinger robbed banks. It's one of those "Well, duh!" moments.
There are plenty of "target rich environments" where people have not been disarmed by idiots - the people just don't happen to be all armed by their own choice - where plenty of people died in shootings. As well there are plenty of examples of people going on a shooting spree where others around them are well armed. I remember in 2004 I think it was, where a hunter in Wisconsin killed six other hunters and wounded two others after an argument with them. All of the dead and injured were well armed. I also seem to recall something about a shooting at a military base in Fort Hood, Texas, leaving 13 dead and 42 others wounded.
There are plenty of "target rich environments" where people have not been disarmed by idiots - the people just don't happen to be all armed by their own choice - where plenty of people died in shootings. As well there are plenty of examples of people going on a shooting spree where others around them are well armed. I remember in 2004 I think it was, where a hunter in Wisconsin killed six other hunters and wounded two others after an argument with them. All of the dead and injured were well armed. I also seem to recall something about a shooting at a military base in Fort Hood, Texas, leaving 13 dead and 42 others wounded.
AMonger
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All of whom were disarmed by rules started during the Clinton administration.