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Veteran Expediter
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I have never double posted before but I am this time to be sure every woman that wants to has a chance to read the following. I apologize if anyone is bothered by that.

The following is lengthy but worth it. It doesn't format well either but still worth it. I've cleaned it up some but it's still not perfect but if you ignore the wrong spacing etc. you'll get REALLY GOOD information out of it.

Through a Rapist's Eyes (No Joke)

This is important information for females of ALL ages.

A group of rapists and date rapists in prison were interviewed on
what they look for in a potential victim and here are some interesting
facts:

1) The first thing men look for in a potential victim is
hairstyle. They are most likely to go after a woman with a
ponytail, bun, braid or other hairstyle that can easily be grabbed. They are also likely to go after a woman with long hair . Women with short hair are not common targets

2) The second thing men look for is clothing . They will look for women who's clothing is easy to remove quickly. Many of them carry scissors around specifically to cut clothing.

3) They also look for women on their cell phone, searching through their purse or doing other activities while walking because they are off guard and can be easily overpowered.

4) Men are most likely to attack & rape in the early morning,
between 5: 00a.m. and 8: 30a.m.

5) The number one place women are abducted from/attacked is
grocery store parking lots Number two is office parking lots /garages. Number three is public restrooms .

6) The thing about these men is that they are looking to grab a woman and quickly move her to another location where they don't have to worry about getting caught.

7) Only 2% said they carried weapons because rape carries a 3-5 year sentence , but rape with a weapon is 15-20 years.

8) If you put up any kind of a fight at all, they get
discouraged because it only takes a minute or two for them to realize
that going after you isn't worth it because it will be time-consuming .

9) These men said they would not pick on women who have
umbrellas, or other similar objects that can be used from a distance, in their hands.

Keys are not a deterrent because you have to get really close to the attacker to use them as a weapon. So, the idea is to convince these guys you're not worth it.

10) Several defense mechanisms he taught us are: If someone is following behind you on a street or in a garage or with you in an elevator or stairwell, look them in the face and ask them a question , like what time is it, or make general small talk: "I can't believe it is so cold out here", "we're in for a bad winter." Now you've seen their face and could identify them in a line-up; you lose appeal as a target.

11) If someone is coming toward you , hold out your hands in front of you and yell " STOP" or "STAY BACK! " Most of the rapists this man talked to said they'd leave a woman alone if she yelled or showed that she would not be afraid to fight back. Again, they are looking for an EASY target.

12) If you carry pepper spray (this instructor was a huge
advocate of it and carries it with him wherever he goes,) yell " I HAVE PEPPER SPRAY " and holding it out will be a deterrent.

13) If someone grabs you , you can't beat them with strength but you can by outsmarting them . If you are grabbed around the waist from behind, pinch the attacker either under the arm (between the elbow and armpit) OR, in the upper , inner thigh , VERY VERY HARD. One woman in a class this guy taught told him she used the underarm pinch on a guy who was trying to date rape her and was so upset she broke through the skin and tore out muscle strands - the guy needed stitches. Try pinching yourself in those places as hard as you can stand it; it hurts.

14) After the initial hit, always GO for the GROIN . I know from a particularly unfortunate experience that if you slap a guy's parts it is extremely painful. You might think that you'll anger the guy and make him want to hurt you more, but the thing these rapists told our instructor is that they want a woman who will not cause a lot of trouble. Start causing trouble and he's out of there.

15) When the guy puts his hands up to you , grab his first two fingers and bend them back as far as possible with as much pressure pushing down on them as possible!. The instructor did it to me without using much pressure, and I ended up on my knees and both knuckles cracked audibly.

16) Of course the things we always hear still apply. Always be aware of your surroundings, take someone with you if you can and if you see any odd behavior, don't dismiss it, go with your instincts!!! You may feel a little silly at the time, but you'd feel much worse if the guy really was trouble.

1 Tip from Tae Kwon Do: The elbow is the strongest point on your body. If you are close enough to use it, do!

2. Learned this from a tourist guide in New Orleans. If a
robber asks for your wallet and/or purse, DO NOT HAND IT TO HIM. Toss it away from you.... Chances are that he is more interested in your wallet and/or purse , than you and he will go for the wallet/purse. RUN LIKE MAD IN THE OTHER DIRECTION!

3. If you are ever thrown into the trunk of a car, kick out the back tail lights and stick your arm out the hole and start waving like crazy. The driver won't see you, but everybody else will. This has saved lives.

4. Women have a tendency to get into their cars after shopping, eating, working, etc. and just sit there (doing their checkbook, or making a list, etc.). DON'T DO THIS! The predator will be watching you and this is the perfect opportunity for him to get in on the passenger side, put a gun to your head and tell you where to go. AS SOON AS YOU GET INTO YOUR CAR, LOCK THE DOORS AND LEAVE.

a. If someone is in the car with a gun to your head DO NOT DRIVE OFF, repeat: DO NOT DRIVE OFF! Instead gun the engine and speed into anything, wrecking the car. Your Air Bag will save you. If the person is in the back seat they will get the worst of it. As soon as the car crashes bail out and run. It is better than having them find your body in a remote location.

5 . A few notes about getting into your car in a parking lot, or parking garage:
A.) Be aware: look around you; look into your car; at the
passenger side floor; and in the back seat.
B.) If you are parked next to a big van, enter your car from the passenger door. Most serial killers attack their victims by pulling them into their vans while the women are attempting to get into their cars.
C.) Look at the car parked on the driver's side of your vehicle and the passenger side. If a male is sitting alone in the seat nearest your car, you may want to walk back into the mall, or work and get a guard/policeman to walk you back out.

IT IS ALWAYS BETTER TO BE SAFE THAN SORRY. (And better paranoid than dead.)

6. ALWAYS take the elevator instead of the stairs. (Stairwells are horrible places to be alone and the perfect crime spot. This is especially true at NIGHT!)

7. If the predator has a gun and you are not under his control, ALWAYS RUN! The predator will only hit you (a running target) 4 in 100 times. And even then, it most likely WILL NOT be a vital organ. RUN, preferably in a zigzag pattern!

8. As women, we are always trying to be sympathetic: STOP . It may get you raped, or killed. Ted Bundy, the serial killer, was a good-looking, well educated man, who ALWAYS played on the sympathies of unsuspecting women. He walked with a cane, or a limp, and often asked "for help" into his vehicle or with his vehicle, which is when he abducted his next victim.

************* Here it is *******
9. Another Safety Point: Someone just told me that her friend heard a crying baby on her porch the night before last, and she called the police because it was late and she thought it was weird. The police told her "Whatever you do, DO NOT open the door."

The lady then said that it sounded like the baby had crawled near a window and she was worried that it would crawl to the street and get run over. The policeman said, "We already have a unit on the way. Whatever you do, DO NOT open the door." He told her that they think a serial killer has a baby's cry recorded and uses it to coax women out of their homes thinking that someone dropped off a baby. He said they have not verified it!, but have had several calls by women saying that they hear baby's cries outside their doors when they're home alone at night.

Please pass this on and DO NOT open the door for a crying baby
---- This e-mail should probably be taken seriously because the Crying Baby theory was mentioned on America's Most Wanted this past Saturday when they profiled the serial killer in Louisiana.

I'd like you to forward this to all the women you know. It may save a life. A candle is not dimmed by lighting another candle. I was going to send this to the ladies only, but guys, if you love your mothers, wives, sisters, daughters, etc., you may want to pass it onto them, as well.



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TeamCaffee

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Leo great post and glad you put this in the women's forum. With our jobs we are not at home behind locked doors. Most of us or awake and working at what sounds like the most vulnerable time. I hope all the women and the men read this. I know Bob is also on the lookout when we go in to the restrooms make sure all is well and I am thankful to have him. Hopefully other men will also see this and if a solo women ever needs help he will be there.
 

greg334

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I think that this thread should be deleted and the one in General Forum be used only - I feel like a mod today:*
 

TeamCaffee

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Greg not all people read all forums! Usually there are not two posts allowed but as you say not all of this one is true. We all still need to be reminded that we do not live in our own little worlds and need to be aware of what is happening around us. This post in hurting no one.
 

Dreamer

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Greg, you have a headache and can't satisfy anyone either? LOL.

Sorry.. had to. :p




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morningstar55ny

Veteran Expediter
Driver
this is a awsome post........ and very helpful to us women folk.....
Greg.......... u do know this is a womans forum......
sorry if u do not like the posting on how us ladies can protect ourselves......
tell us WHY u want it deleated........ this is a womans forum .....
i think its extremly helpful information.
I have a 18 yr old daughter........and i am going to pass it onto her.... ;)
 

pelicn

Veteran Expediter
Morningstar, this was a double post that was also placed in the general forum. I think Greg just meant that it didn't need to be in both places. But, as you can see, it was not deleted.
This is good information for everyone, not just the ladies.
 

morningstar55ny

Veteran Expediter
Driver
aahhhhhhhh .......... ok .. i see now...
ty... lol
i love this web site......
and really like the womens forums..
although i do read other forums as well... heh:)
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
Actually I'm pretty sure he was just teasing and didn't really think that. In any case, even with a few things that are questionable such as the baby crying sound to get doors opened, I believe overall it is good information. I don't see any of them I would consider improper advice, even if based on questionable information.

One more item, and if it's in there I don't recall, is about approaching your vehicle. It applies more to your personal vehicle but a little bit to our trucks as well. Always (for your car at least) approach your vehicle from the front. If someone has gotten inside and is waiting to try to grab you the door is going to open between you and them. Never stand beside the back door when you open the front door. Always stand beside the rear view mirror. Even if Hulk Hogan is in there he's got to be laying across the seats or floorboard to avoid being seen. In that position, he isn't nearly as strong as when upright. If he tried opening the door to get at you, then you throw all your weight against the door, driving it back against him. You then turn and run in the direction of the hood of the car. He's hopefully been hurt by the heavy door, perhaps even getting his arm broken or been dazed by it hitting his head. To follow he has to get out and go around the door. That takes extra time that running to the back doesn't. That could be the split second that gets you safely back inside somewhere rather than caught.

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greg334

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OMG, I was replying with a :*

But to tell those who don't know, there is/was another thread that was posted in the general forum that had a lot of information in it and would have been better to delete this one and move that one here.

AND

If I remember that there was another t heard where someone complained about duplicate threads in different forums which triggered my comment in the first place.

But I think I should have explained this for the people who may not have gotten these two points and avoided the criticism that is here.

I would say read the other first -

http://www.expeditersonline.com/dcforum/DCForumID1/6169.html

and see if I was maybe right.
 

theoldprof

Veteran Expediter
Some posts are important enough, such as personal safety, that they should be posted in more than one forum. Only my opinion. We all want our wife, daughters, etc to be safe and aware. I can't imagine why anyone would want this info deleted from the Women's forum. Again, only my opinion.

:+ :+
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Oh come on, prof.

Safety is a real issue and no doubt that it needs to be discussed for all, not just for women but my pun was based on A-Team's complaint that some posts involve duplicates and need to be regulated which led to a rather lengthy and involved thread over content regulation.

From my experience, as limited as it is with these forums and such, I have to say this that when duplicates threads come into the picture, people tend not to read one thread on one forum when there are duplicates on other forums on the site and there is a tendency to reduce the confusion by administrators by deleting the duplicate or merging the different threads together to present all the information.
 
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