Why ron paul should not be president

layoutshooter

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I can only imagine :([/QUOTE]


No offense, but I don't think you can. I thought I could "imagine" until I had the job. The reality was far worse than the nightmares it caused.

To think, "at any given moment"......................

6 times, in my career, 6 times we opened the silo doors. (for reasons other than practice) 6 times. I cannot forget.
 

RLENT

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layoutshooter

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No, that "reality" was a horrible nightmare. I had an "awesome" responsibility. A "trade" that I thank God every day that I never had to put to use.

*SIGH* Oh well, nightmares tonight. :( I wish they would go away for good.
 

RLENT

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New polling suggests that candidate support in Iowa is still pretty fluid, and things aren't looking too good for The Lizard™, considering he has no ground game:

POLL BOMBSHELL: Ron Paul Is Close To A Win In Iowa

Paul closes in on Gingrich

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RLENT

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Wonder what effect this might have on the youth vote at UI ?

The Editorial Board of The Daily Iowan (newspaper of The University of Iowa) endorses Dr. Paul:

"The Daily Iowan Editorial Board endorses Texas Rep. Ron Paul for the Iowa Republican presidential caucuses.

The reasons for endorsing Paul over the other Republican contenders are numerous and warranted. The differences between their beliefs on governing primarily motivate our decision.

Paul is a candidate who appeals to voters across the political spectrum. He has also been exceptionally consistent in his time in Congress. He doesn't play political games — even with his opponents — and remains truthful to his word. This alone is a redeeming quality in a candidate in today's political sphere.

Despite the mainstream media writing him off as being unable to win Iowa, he is now polling in second place and may even be the most popular candidate in Iowa, given the margin of error ....."

Remainder of article below:

Caucus for Ron Paul on Jan. 3
 
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RLENT

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My how you guys can keep on and on and on and on and on...and achieve nothing....LOL...:p
Never assume that nothing is being achieved.

If any of my (or others) arguments cause only a single person reading here to take a look and reconsider how they look at something and consider a different view (and not necessarily my view) .... any effort expended will have been worthwhile ;)
 

OntarioVanMan

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Never assume that nothing is being achieved.

If any of my (or others) arguments cause only a single person reading here to take a look and reconsider how they look at something and consider a different view (and not necessarily my view) .... any effort expended will have been worthwhile ;)

A ton of typing in trying to get even ONE vote...;)
 

cheri1122

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The MSM started off ignoring Paul, and dismissing him as irrelevant when obliged to mention that he is also a candidate. They now have a vested interest in maintaining that fiction - about face would be pretty embarrassing.
But given the caliber of the competition, Paul is going to win the Republican nomination, and may very well win the presidency, too.
I hope so.
 

RLENT

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The MSM started off ignoring Paul, and dismissing him as irrelevant when obliged to mention that he is also a candidate.
First they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,
then they fight you,
then you win.
- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

I'd say that we're somewhere around lines 2 and 3 .... depending on who's doin' the yappin' ......

They now have a vested interest in maintaining that fiction - about face would be pretty embarrassing.
But not as embarrassing as ignoring the reality, being totally humiliated and surrendering all credibility at the end of the day - which is exactly why we're starting to see some of the MSM start to pull back and re-evaluate their former positions.

BLITZER’S BLOG: Ron Paul could surprise us

Better to cut one's losses and retrench now, and hope that folks forget any definitive pronouncements that ultimately end up conflicting with reality :D

And some are actually warming up to the idea when considering the alternative of Newt-Obama contest .... which is like sort of akin to imagining an electoral matchup featuring Dr. Frank-N-Furter from The Rocky Horror Picture Show and ...... Al Jolson ....

Glenn Beck, Joe Scarborough tout a Ron Paul
third party run against Gingrich, Obama


“Yesterday, Glenn Beck said something that I [Joe Scarborough] guarantee you a lot of small-government conservatives, like me, have thought. And that is, if I have to choose between Barack Obama and Newt Gingrich, a guy that George Will said would have been a ‘marvelous Marxist’ and who is the opposite of being a small-government conservative — if Ron Paul’s running as a third-party candidate, I’m going to give him a long look. Because I can’t vote for the two guys who worship at the altar of big government in their own separate ways. And that’s the problem with a Newt Gingrich candidacy. He’s not a small government conservative.”

But given the caliber of the competition, Paul is going to win the Republican nomination, and may very well win the presidency, too.
I hope so.
I do too ;)

BTW, the poll I referenced above is largely a confirmation of this Tele Reasearch Poll done back on November 21st:

TeleResearch Iowa Poll
 
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RLENT

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You quoting Glenn Beck. I'm shocked.:D
No - that's an incorrect observation :D - I quoted Joe Scarborough ... who despite having his own political baggage, sure as heck ain't no Glenn Beck ..... :rolleyes:

(BTW - 20 years ago Joe was every bit as arrogant as Newt - unlike Newt though, Joe has since mellowed out a bit)
 
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RLENT

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And then there's also this, from back on the 5th, that shows Paul's support among Independents:

“As the roller coaster picks up speed in the month leading up to the Iowa caucus, Newt Gingrich has moved into the lead car,” said Dr. Lee M. Miringoff, director of The Marist College Institute for Public Opinion, in a statement. “Hold on tight for any further twists and turns.”

However, the poll also says Paul is the candidate best suited to face Obama in an election.

Against Paul, 42 percent of registered voters in Iowa support Obama and the same number — 43 percent — support Paul. Paul’s popularity among independents could be a crucial advantage. Paul leads Obama 42 percent to 35 percent among independent voters, according to the poll, and he also attracts 15% of Iowa’s Democrats. Not to mention that 16 percent of voters were undecided."

Gingrich leads, but Paul most likely to beat Obama in latest Iowa

I can only imagine how much the Newtster is pining for the "good old days" of .......

.... last week ....
 
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muttly

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No - that's an incorrect observation :D - I quoted Joe Scarborough ... who despite having his own political baggage, sure as heck ain't no Glenn Beck ..... :rolleyes:

(BTW - 20 years ago Joe was every bit as arrogant as Newt - unlike Newt though, Joe has since mellowed out a bit)

Ok so Scarborough picks up on something Glenn Beck says . Many would argue Scarborough is for an establishment candidate. Mitch Daniels,Jeb Bush,etc. Something I'm SURE you oppose. You say he has mellowed. Many would say he has become a RINO and a sellout to conservatives. Scarborough quoting Glen Beck doesn't hold any water.
 

RLENT

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Danger Danger Will Robinson !

This is an alert for all those poor souls who are terrified of Dr. Paul and his philosophy of freedom, liberty, peace, following the Constitution, and honest relations among men.

Very important message to follow:

DO NOT - UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES - TURN ON YOUR TV !

The Paulian minions have infiltrated and taken over all news outlets- EVEN FOX NEWS ! .... and they are running false, libelous, and defamatory propaganda saying that Dr. Paul may take Iowa (and much much worse - so bad I can't even say it here) ... do not watch or listen to any of this claptrap nonsense - it is clearly false and against the very laws of human nature ... and the universe.
 

RLENT

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Ok, this one is a hoot ......

The Mainstream Media Headline after Iowa Republican Caucus:

"Gingrich Defeats Romney for Second Place. Bachmann Comes in Fourth."
 

RLENT

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Ron Paul Foreign Policy is Saving American Conservatism
Drew Walker

In a recent interview on Sean Hannity’s show, Ann Coulter zeroed in on Congressman Ron Paul (R-Texas) as one of the least conservative candidates in the 2012 Republican presidential primary field. She specifically cited his foreign policy. [rlent editorial note: I saw Ann on Fox's Red Eye last night - she said she would prefer Ron Paul by far and way, over the Lizard™]

For 50 years, the Republican Party, and American conservatism with it, have been moving towards an ever more interventionist foreign policy. Paul, through his focus on individual liberty, has rightfully been an outspoken critic of this penchant for global gallivanting. Because of his non-interventionist foreign policy, Paul is easily the most conservative candidate in the field.

In 1952, Sen. Robert Taft of Ohio challenged the hero of D-Day, Gen. Dwight Eisenhower, for the Republican nomination. Taft was narrowly defeated, and Eisenhower went on to occupy his final post on Pennsylvania Avenue. What was truly defeated at the Republican National Convention that year was the idea that it was conservative, and even patriotic, to be skeptical of involving the United States in the affairs of other nations.

Taft was a conservative of the Old Right. He believed the greatest threat to America was overreaching government which he saw exemplified in the New Deal. While others in his party saw the threat of Communism everywhere, he saw the deeper threat as the undermining of traditional American principles during the energetic presidencies of Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman.

“Throughout his political career, Taft sought to preserve what he regarded as an ‘American way of life’ in which the liberty of individual Americans would be circumscribed only by the rule of the law,” wrote Michael T. Hayes in a 2004 article for The Independent Review.

In other words, allegiance goes first to the individual and his pursuit of his own goals. This is the only sense in which the American ideal, at least for Taft, can be realized. We are not a nation devoted to a single, common purpose or mission. Rather, we are a collection of individuals pursuing various ends. The political must begin, under this way of thinking, with the individual, not the group or nation.

Until Paul rose to prominence, particularly in the last two presidential election cycles, conservatives seem to have forgotten this basic premise. Paul is rightfully called the “champion of liberty” precisely because his foreign policy views are close to that of conservative Taft. While many on the right hold Reagan as the apogee of conservatism, Paul has tapped into a long-dormant strain of conservatism that believes our involvement in the affairs of others only adds to insecurity for our own citizens here at home.

Paul’s concern over the policies of the post-war decades is not an indication that he is naïve or narrow-minded. Instead, he subjugates all other concerns to this primary one – that of the individual. If policy subsumes the citizen into the machinery of the state as just another nameless cog, it is in direct contradiction to his understanding of the legitimate use of power as allowed by the Constitution, and he opposes it. The fact that he has earned the reputation as “Dr. No” is not an indication of a cantankerous attitude. It is an indication that government, whether Republican or Democratic, has gone too far.

Since the defeat of Taft in 1952, the Old Right has been shouted down by the New Right. From Iran in 1953 to Chile twenty years later, Republicans have lost sight of the value not of isolationism, but of non-intervention, a key distinction. The post-war administrations have had to handle the new reality that came along with America’s rise to power and, in so doing, have lost sight of basic American principles. Paul’s legacy will be the resuscitation of Taft’s and the Old Right’s belief in Washington’s far-sighted admonition.

Ron Paul Foreign Policy is Saving American Conservatism
 
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Pilgrim

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After Ron Paul's wacky performance in last night's debate, this article from the Wall St. Journal accurately sums up his status with the American voters.
(Bold color emphasis mine)
DECEMBER 16, 2011

Why Ron Paul Can't Win

By Kimberly Strassel

The candidate's problem isn't better-funded opponent or media bias—it's his own views on foreign policy.

...Mr. Paul's "noninterventionist" approach resonates with those weary of war, or with the populist sentiment that we spend too much on foreign aid. And note that Mr. Paul has made small stabs at reassuring voters of his patriotism, as with a big national TV ad that highlighted his own military service and commitment to veterans.
But none of this has addressed voters' big concern over a Paul philosophy that fundamentally denies American exceptionalism and refuses to allow for decisive action to protect the U.S. homeland. Perhaps nothing hurt the candidate more in 2008 than his declaration that one reason terrorists attacked us on 9/11 is because "we've been in the Middle East"...
For foreign-policy hawks, this is a disqualifier. It explains why a Washington Post-ABC poll in late September showed that Mr. Paul drew some of his weakest numbers from his own base. Of the 25% of voters who viewed him favorably, nearly two-thirds did not identify themselves as Republicans. Among self-identified "conservative Republicans," only 8% gave him a "strongly favorable" rating. You don't win a GOP nomination with figures like this. Even mainstream Democrats and independents have no time for Mr. Paul's brand of isolationism, which is why his national numbers remain stuck around 10%.

Strassel: Why Ron Paul Can't Win - WSJ.com
 
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