Where Does It End!?!?

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
The libs on the left whine that we need to help those that need helped..barry said the other day he wants our country to be "fair" with those the need handouts...so they need to raise taxes...yea I guess those that have need to part with what they have because we are now paying out in Gov assistence more then those that pay taxes pay in to the gov....:rolleyes:

Government Cash Handouts Now Top Tax Revenues

By Elizabeth MacDonald
FOXBusiness
Published April 20, 2011
Government Cash Handouts Now Top Tax Revenues - FoxBusiness.com

U.S. households are now getting more in cash handouts from the government than they are paying in taxes for the first time since the Great Depression.

Households received $2.3 trillion in some kind of government support in 2010. That includes expanded unemployment benefits, as well as payments for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and stimulus spending, among other things.

But that’s more than the $2.2 trillion households paid in taxes, an amount that has slumped largely due to the recession, according to an analysis by the Fiscal Times.

Also, an estimated 59% of the 308.7 million Americans in this country get at least one federal benefit, according to the Census Bureau, based on 2009 data. An estimated 46.5 million get Social Security; 42.6 million get Medicare; 42.4 million get Medicaid; 36.1 million get food stamps; 12.4 million get housing subsidies; and 3.2 million get Veterans' benefits.

And the handouts from the government have been growing. Government cash handouts account for a whopping 79% of household growth since 2007, even as household tax payments--for things like the income and payroll tax, among other taxes--have fallen by $312 billion.

That is a tough feeding trough to take away from voters.

One of the recurring themes FOX Business has been covering is “how the world has been turned upside down – well, the business world at least,” notes FOX Director of Business News, Ray Hennessey. “In a free market, profit is generated by hard work and enterprise," Hennessey notes, adding: “Because of the labor of the worker, companies generally have the ability to prosper and make more money, both for their employees and their owners," which in turn creates tax revenues.

Seems like common sense, right? That’s because it is. But not in our country today. Somehow the DNA of our country is changing. Wealth creation is coming from DC, not from America’s entrepreneurs.

In short, Americans have the government, not private enterprise, to thank for their wealth growth.

Obviously, there are big implications to this.

For instance, Hennessey asks, if indeed more households have the government to thank for their wealth, does that mean those households are more inclined to re-elect politicians who are pushing for more government handouts?

Does the workforce erode because it is easier to collect a check than answer to an alarm clock each morning?

Is our competitiveness as a nation hurt because profit is generated not by American capitalism but by European-style socialism? Can we, as taxpayers, afford to carry the burden of government-sponsored wealth creation?

All this comes at a time when a growing number of Wall Street houses, including JPMorgan Chase (JPM: 44.56, -0.09, -0.20%) and Barclays Capital (BCS: 19.38, +0.25, +1.31%), Bank of America (NYSE: BAC) and Morgan Stanley (NYSE: MS) are cutting their U.S. GDP growth forecasts by as much as a percentage point or more.

It also comes as President Barack Obama is already in re-election mode, as he bets his massive spending will woo independents. It also comes as Standard & Poor’s has joined the International Monetary Fund and Pimco, which runs the world’s biggest bond fund, in downgrading their outlook on US debt.

The negative outlook comes as the government has added the equivalent of Germany and Russia combined in spending from the time Democrat Rep. Nancy Pelosi gaveled in as House Speaker in January 2007. The government, like never before, has put the thumb on the scale as it picks winners and losers.

Yes, the dollar rallied and Treasuries bounced higher after the news that S&P had issued a negative outlook on the U.S. debt picture. Some argued that happened because eventual austerity would slow growth, which is deflationary and in turn good for bonds.

But that ignores the flight away from rocky overseas markets toward the Treasury's safe haven status, which drives yields down. Potential sovereign debt defaults are a huge problem in the Eurozone, particularly in Greece, where yields rocketed above 13% earlier this week.

The bullish view about U.S. bond prices also ignores the fact that the Federal Reserve has been buying Treasury bonds and notes, $600 billion so far this year, more than half of the Treasury Dept.'s issuance. That keeps a lid on bond yields. When bond prices rise, the government doesn't have to lure investors with higher yields. When bond prices fall, the government offers higher yields to reel investors in.

The bullish view about U.S. bond prices also ignores the negative trend in the dollar, which has been weakening.

And it ignores the bond market’s brutal reaction to spending under President Bill Clinton, where yields spiked several percentage points higher beginning in 1994, rising from around 5% before topping out above 8%, before then-Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin forced austerity, leading to welfare reform.

Republicans now want to shrink the U.S. government, but Democrats want to stymie their efforts. This, after the President touted $38 billion in spending cuts as the largest in our nation’s history, just four months or so after touting the massive spending increase pushed through in the lame duck Congressional session.

And after the White House shelved the Bowles-Simpson debt commission report, a panel which the President asked for, endorsed and then ignored, hoping such hard decisions might be delayed until after the election.

President Obama had asked for the debt commission to "address the long-term quandary of a government that continually and extravagantly spends more than it takes in," only to initially set aside the commission's recommendations.

And earlier this year the White House first introduced a budget that would have added $6.7 trillion more in deficit spending over the next 10 years, yanking the national debt higher to more than 75% of gross domestic product, according to the Congressional Budget Office. That, until GOP Rep. Paul Ryan offered his $4.4 trillion in spending cuts over ten years, causing the President to offer $4 trillion in cuts over 12 years.

The Fiscal Times reports that “the only other time government income support exceeded taxes paid was from 1931 to 1936.” The Times notes that “government transfers of income to households started to overtake personal taxes at the start of 2008, and the gap has been widening.”

The difference between what households received and what they paid in taxes is about $125 billion, equal to a little more than “three times the amount Republicans and Democrats agreed to cut from government spending through Sept. 30,” the Fiscal Times said. Typically, the gap between government transfers and taxes runs the other way, the Times reports.

“In normal times the household sector gives about eight percentage points more of its income in taxes than it receives in direct transfers,” the Times quotes J.P. Morgan economist Michael Feroli as saying, adding that a return to normalcy, or this eight-percentage-point spread, is equal to about $1.2 trillion in income.

So the question is: What government policies will bring the U.S. labor market back to robust health, enough to drive economic growth, consumer spending -- and higher tax revenues?

When will the U.S. government pull back from its intervention into the U.S. economy, so the economy can try to stand on its own?
 

blackpup

Veteran Expediter
It ends with fair and equitable redistribution of your dollars, as decided by those who have your best interests at heart. Just ask them aka socialists.

jimmy
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Fox's Ray Hennessey said "Because of the labor of the worker, companies generally have the ability to prosper and make more money, both for their employees and owners, which in turn creates tax revenues." We only wish that were accurate.

That was then, this is now: because of the labor of the worker, companies still prosper and make more money - but here's what's changed: the increased profits now benefit only the owners [even if the company has to use 3rd world workers to improve profits], and tax revenues [for the US] are avoided, rather than created.
"Labor" and "worker" have become synonymous with rabblerousers demanding more and more and more - thoroughly despicable troublemakers, the lot of them!

Oh, and "cash handouts"? Um, hasn't everyone collecting Social Security paid that money into the fund, before being allowed to get it back when they retire? And Medicare/Medicaid too? And unemployment? Veteran's benefits?
None are 'handouts' - they were paid for, in advance, by and for the person collecting their repayment as agreed to when they paid into the funds.
Now that the money is nearly all gone, the funds having been depleted and raided by the incompetent officials responsible for 'managing' them, they are described as handouts?!
While workers have been called 'Commies' and 'Bolsheviks' ever since they first began demanding such outrageous things as reasonable [depending on various factors] wages, safe working conditions, and a work week of less than 60-70 hours, this is a whole new category of 'doublespeak', and it's scary indeed.

 
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jeff4637

Seasoned Expediter
I don't know where it will end but I know how to lessen the burden. Very simple DRUG TESTING!!!! you don't pass you don't get assistance. That goes for any kind of public assistance,including unemployment. That's my two cents
 

Letzboogie

Not a Member
The libs on the left whine that we need to help those that need helped..barry said the other day he wants our country to be "fair" with those the need handouts...so they need to raise taxes...yea I guess those that have need to part with what they have because we are now paying out in Gov assistence more then those that pay taxes pay in to the gov....:rolleyes:

Government Cash Handouts Now Top Tax Revenues

By Elizabeth MacDonald
FOXBusiness
Published April 20, 2011
Government Cash Handouts Now Top Tax Revenues - FoxBusiness.com

I read a post of yours the other day where you stated you had pretty much dropped out of the system, in fact going so far as not paying or filing taxes for a number of years. If this is true, what do you care about what goes on in the system? It's not yours to be concerned with. You don't contribute so you shouldn't whine.

To add insult to injury you stated earlier today in not so many words that you are perfectly happy to quote outright lies if they will somehow discredit Obama and his policies. That is incredibly pathetic. You have made it clear that you don't care what others think about you so save your breath by telling me so. Outrageous.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
I read a post of yours the other day where you stated you had pretty much dropped out of the system, in fact going so far as not paying or filing taxes for a number of years. If this is true, what do you care about what goes on in the system? It's not yours to be concerned with. You don't contribute so you shouldn't whine.
Hahahaha - when did lack of contribution ever stop anyone from whining? [As he likes to portray those he calls 'libs' as doing, doncha know].

To add insult to injury you stated earlier today in not so many words that you are perfectly happy to quote outright lies if they will somehow discredit Obama and his policies. That is incredibly pathetic. You have made it clear that you don't care what others think about you so save your breath by telling me so. Outrageous.

We've long known of the proclivity for posting garbage and the "don't care what others think" attitude - it baffles the mind, don't it?
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
Oh, and "cash handouts"? Um, hasn't everyone collecting Social Security paid that money into the fund, before being allowed to get it back when they retire? And Medicare/Medicaid too? And unemployment? Veteran's benefits?
None are 'handouts' - they were paid for, in advance, by and for the person collecting their repayment as agreed to when they paid into the funds.


NO, UNQUESTIONABLY NOT. The money you pay into SS has no relation to what you take out after retirement. Here's the proof:

The flaws in the Social Security System were apparent with the first beneficiary. Ida Fuller of Vermont was the first recipient of a Social Security check. Just as the initial investors in Charles Ponzi’s scheme were thrilled to have made more than they contributed so was Ida Fuller. Having paid only $24.75 into the Social Security Fund over three years she received her first check on January 31, 1940 in the amount of $22.54. Her first check almost equaled the total amount she contributed and she lived to be a 100 years having collected a total of $22,888.


If SS payments bore any relation to what you paid in, your "benefits" would cease once you had collected what you paid in plus interest. There is no way Ida Fuller made almost 1000 times her money after 3 years of paying in to the system. It was a Ponzi Scheme from the beginning.

And neither veterans' benefits nor Medicaid has any relation to what you put in, at least not in actual money. One might call veteran's benefits paid for, in a sense, but Medicaid is an absolute handout. Medicare is paid for to some degree, but again, you can receive more than you put in plus interest, so it's partially a handout.



While workers have been called 'Commies' and 'Bolsheviks' ever since they first began demanding such outrageous things as reasonable [depending on various factors] wages, safe working conditions, and a work week of less than 60-70 hours, this is a whole new category of 'doublespeak', and it's scary indeed.

And demanding other things, like lifetime guarantees of coverage for 100% of medical bills, which drove the auto manufacturers into bankruptcy, and demanding that they receive special collective bargaining rights prohibiting them from being permanently replaced when they walk out, among other things. Yeah, staunch capitalists, the union thugs are. :rolleyes:

 

Poorboy

Expert Expediter
Just give me back all the money I paid into SS and leave me alone! I do not need or want the Govt. to be involved in anything I do as long as it's legal to do it!:mad:
 

Brisco

Expert Expediter
Oh, and "cash handouts"? Um, hasn't everyone collecting Social Security paid that money into the fund, before being allowed to get it back when they retire? And Medicare/Medicaid too? And unemployment? Veteran's benefits?
None are 'handouts' - they were paid for, in advance, by and for the person collecting their repayment as agreed to when they paid into the funds.

I too disagree with this statement..................

I know of a guy that ran a Window Tinting business out of his house for 27 years. He had been tinting my windows on all my cars I've bought since 1990 or so. (a good 20 years) He was well known all throughout the N Ft Worth area. Had his van all marked up with his company name and all. When his "regulars" (car dealers, stereo shops, wheel dealers, etc) didn't have work for him, he'd go sit at that old truckstop there at 35 & Papurt and tint windows for the big rig drivers.

Over the 27 years doing this, he paid off his house, had a small collection of custom cars, went to Vegas a lot, etc. Basically lived a good life.

Well, a couple of years ago he had stroke. (he's about 60 now) That stroke cost him his eyesight. He is not totally blind, but did lose vision in one eye, I think 40% in the other eye, and has a huge problem with direct sunlight in that one eye. Now, during that 27 years of being self-employed, he never paid into FICA or SS whatsoever. I used to tease him about having 6 black SUV's showing up at his house someday and taking everything he owns. He laughed and said he's been an "ALL CASH" business all these years and the Government probably doesn't even know he even exists.

When he had his stroke, his lost the only income he had, period. He filed for SSI disability. Of course, was turned down. He sold his house for cash (an old dilapitated house) to an investor "under the table" and moved into a cheapo rent house. Then went and hired an Attorney to refile for SSI disability. 6 months later, he's collecting a $1400 or so check every month from the Government, and is full covered under Medicaid or Medicare, whichever one it is.

So Yes, there are those out there that ARE collecting YOUR tax dollars for SS benefits that never put a dime into it whatsoever their whole lives.

Where do you think the money came from for the "Welfare" generation of the late 60's/early 70's that the Kennedy/Johnson administrations created??? It came from the SS coffers, that's where. SS benefits would be NOT be this underfunded if the Democrats back then didn't throw welfare payments out to millions of people back in those days. We can all Thank Reagan for finally putting a stop to that. But, the damage was done, and even today, some 30 PLUS years later, there are retirees that are suffering today due to actions taken by a Democratically controlled administration then.

With that said, I wonder what 30 years from today is going to bring to our future generations with what Obawas socialist agenda clearly is. Think about it.
 
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