What's Going on in the US House of Representatives?

ATeam

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The House just passed the Parents Bill of Rights Act. It will be interesting to see how well it fares in the Senate.

It follows outcries from parents who are unhappy that lessons and books about racism, sexual orientation and gender are being taught in schools.
Why is this bill necessary?
The legislation would also give parents the rights to:

  • Know what's being taught in schools (including reviewing reading materials)
Is that information not already commonly published online by schood districts where anyone can view it?
  • See school budgets and understand how schools spend money
Are public school budgets not already items of public record?
  • Protect a child's privacy by preventing schools from selling information about students or performing medical exams without a parent's permission.
Do privacy laws not already exist and are schools not already following them?
  • Receive updates on any violent activities at a school
I don't know current practices, but it often happens that reports of school violence make the news. I presume the public school districts already keep reports about fights, assaults, and other violent crimes are created and published for review. Is that assumption incorrect? I know our county school district keeps such reports.
  • Require all curriculums to be made public, including any materials in a school library or classroom.
I guess they want detailed inventories of library and classroom books published for all to see. While that seems to me to create an undue administrative burden on the schools, what's the point really? And how does it play out?

I understand there is sentiment among some Republican parents to ban George Orwell's book 1984 from schools. I'm not a parent but if I had kids in the school system, I would want to retain that book. It is an important piece of American literature and an important cultural reference I would want my kids and their classmates to read and understand.

If one set of parents want a book in a school library that another set want to ban, how is that resolved? If it's about parental rights, what do you do when two sets of parents have equal rights under the the law, but their views under those rights conflict?
 

coalminer

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The whole notion of banning books is repugnant. This is America, a free country, right?
Unless you want to read a certain book or want an abortion or want to change your gender or talk about being gay....

The Republican party likes to talk about freedom but their actions lately have been the exact opposite.
 

Ragman

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Unless you want to read a certain book or want an abortion or want to change your gender or talk about being gay....

The Republican party likes to talk about freedom but their actions lately have been the exact opposite.
The Repugnant Party use to be the party of less
government.
Ronny is rolling over!
 

danthewolf00

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2020 riots....over 400 riots with numerous deaths but Democrat district attorneys let many rioters go within hours of being arrested....you know those blm/antifa thugs.
Democrats let protesters attack Republicans as they left trump rallys on the west coast. Rioters threw frozen bottles of water and bricks at police and even hurt a police horse but they were considered peaceful protesters. The supreme court judges were doxxed and had protesters outside their homes and the idiot in charge did nothing to protect the judges and their families.....but its trump that is at fault....he needs to go to jail.
Yea we the people are tired of the Democrat leadership.
Chicago has had enough and kicked lightfoot out I just hope they electe a police backed candidate.
 

danthewolf00

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You really don't want a civil war with Republicans. we were peaceful on January 6th...till someone started a fight with police. You all think January 6th was a insurrection....lol no that was not a insurrection.
You honestly think we would leave our guns at home to have a insurrection.....why do you think the Democrat leadership wants to take our guns away.....because they are afraid of us getting fed up with their poopstain ideas.
 

Pilgrim

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Why is this bill necessary?
You're kidding - right? If not, ask some of the parents who have kids in the Loudoun County, VA school system or the parents in the Sprekles Union school district in CA whose kids are being coached for their transgender transition without the parents' knowledge. Revisionist history, CRT, woke ideology that normalizes gender dysphoria and allows boys in girls' bathrooms and locker rooms, and to play girl's sports. Somebody could write a book on all the reasons this bill is necessary.
Is that information not already commonly published online by school districts where anyone can view it?
No, but it varies according to state and even in counties within the states. Our county in TN requires a log-in and password, but only for parents. There's also the variance between what they say is being taught and what is actually being taught.
Are public school budgets not already items of public record?
It varies according to state and county
Do privacy laws not already exist and are schools not already following them?
The schools may not follow the privacy laws, but most seem to do a pretty good job in our state.
I don't know current practices, but it often happens that reports of school violence make the news. I presume the public school districts already keep reports about fights, assaults, and other violent crimes are created and published for review. Is that assumption incorrect? I know our county school district keeps such reports.
Serious school violence sometimes makes the news, but there are numerous examples of sexual assaults, gang violence and problem students being covered up. The Loudoun County girl that was assaulted without consequence is a good example, and the very recent Denver school shooting by a dangerous kid who was being searched daily for weapons is another. This "safety program" was being conducted without knowledge of parents by amateur school staff, and two of them got shot. Apparently no one was told about this program to protect the students' privacy. Immediately after this disaster the Denver school superintendent reinstated school resource officers who had been banned in 2020.
I guess they want detailed inventories of library and classroom books published for all to see. While that seems to me to create an undue administrative burden on the schools, what's the point really? And how does it play out?
This isn't an undue burden, it's a requirement. Most all decent school libraries and public libraries must have detailed inventories of their books. How else would one find a particular book, subject or author? The search function is very simple at my grand-daughter's school.
I understand there is sentiment among some Republican parents to ban George Orwell's book 1984 from schools.
That's already been debunked as nonsense.
If one set of parents want a book in a school library that another set want to ban, how is that resolved? If it's about parental rights, what do you do when two sets of parents have equal rights under the the law, but their views under those rights conflict?
That's what school board meetings are for.
 

LDB

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It's needed, in part, because many, possibly the majority, of teachers have been so deeply indoctrinated and groomed by far left wing education systems and can not be trusted at all to tell the truth of what they are "teaching" in their classrooms and what they are presenting in their libraries.
 
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ATeam

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Ok, you’re for having ANY book accessible to kids at school at any age ?
Do you really believe that? Of course I'm not for having ANY book accessible to kids at school at any age. Out of schools and in schools, there are laws about what kind of content is available to kids of certain ages. Laws about explicit adult content are an example.

But notice what's going on in this day and age. Kids are not supposed to easily see porn but with technology, porn is as easy for them to access as the dictionary or the Bible. You can pass a law banning it for kids but does that protect them from whatever you're trying to protect them from?

It seems to me that the most effective role for parents these days is not to pass new laws banning certain books from schools. It's to recognize the absolute ease with which kids can access any content and any point of view, and teach your kids how to act competently and correctly (as the parents define correctly) in the modern world.

We live in a world where there are staunch conservatives demanding that their children have no sex until they are legally married adults. And there are other parents who teach their kids about sex and give their kids condoms when they are 12.

If it's about parental rights, which is right under any parental rights act the government may impose?
 

ATeam

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You're kidding - right? If not, ask some of the parents who have kids in the Loudoun County, VA school system or the parents in the Sprekles Union school district in CA whose kids are being coached for their transgender transition without the parents' knowledge. Revisionist history, CRT, woke ideology that normalizes gender dysphoria and allows boys in girls' bathrooms and locker rooms, and to play girl's sports. Somebody could write a book on all the reasons this bill is necessary.
I am not familiar with the cases you cite. Reading only that about them, I agree that kids being coached for trangender transition without parent's knowledge would be cause for deep concern.

Regarding "woke ideology," that is a non-specific term that is meaningless. It seems to have become a code word for something but in interviews I've seen where Republicans are asked to explain the term, they are hard-pressed to explain anything, let alone the same thing. I'm happy to discuss an issue, but before I do, I want to make sure we're talking about the same issue.

You say, "Somebody could write a book on all the reasons this bill is necessary." A book or even an article that clearly and reasonably makes that case would indeed be helpful. Emphasis clearly and reasonably. I don't want a bunch of second-hand, unverified stories designed to provoke social media responses.
No, but it varies according to state and even in counties within the states. Our county in TN requires a log-in and password, but only for parents. There's also the variance between what they say is being taught and what is actually being taught.
That variance will happen no matter how widely published the official curriculum is. In our gym, we accept an insurance program that sends numerous school teaches to us. The insurance company pays for their gym membership. I am personally acquainted with several teachers who have quit their jobs and found employment out of education because the rules are getting stricter and stricter about what can be taught and when.

These are not people wanting to coach kids on transgender transitions. These are teachers who know how to help students learn in the ways they need to be helped, but are prevented from doing so because of strict curriculum schedules. Inspectors actually enter the classroom unannounced. And if the teacher is not teaching the lesson plan that is scheduled at that time, the teacher is in trouble.

As they quit, the burden increases on those who remain, and some of those quit too because it has simply become too much. There is, right now, a dire shortage of school teachers in Florida, partly because of the assumption that passing laws in Tallahassee will somehow make things better at the local school level.
Serious school violence sometimes makes the news, but there are numerous examples of sexual assaults, gang violence and problem students being covered up. The Loudoun County girl that was assaulted without consequence is a good example, and the very recent Denver school shooting by a dangerous kid who was being searched daily for weapons is another. This "safety program" was being conducted without knowledge of parents by amateur school staff, and two of them got shot. Apparently no one was told about this program to protect the students' privacy. Immediately after this disaster the Denver school superintendent reinstated school resource officers who had been banned in 2020.
That's an example of local school authorities correcting a problem, is it not? Why does the federal government need to get involved in a case like this at all?
This isn't an undue burden, it's a requirement. Most all decent school libraries and public libraries must have detailed inventories of their books. How else would one find a particular book, subject or author? The search function is very simple at my grand-daughter's school.
OK. You make a good point. You're right. Library books are already cataloged. It would be a simple matter to publish that catalog on the school district's website, and to update it live when changes are made. I see no harm in publicizing such a list, and even some good.
That's already been debunked as nonsense.
You are correct. I was mistaken about 1984. But that said, book-banning sentiment indeed persists.

Example:


That's what school board meetings are for.
Exactly! Which is why I'd like to leave the issues of library content, curriculum and other such things to the local level to be decided. That's where parents have the greatest influence. That's where parents can meet to work this stuff out.
 

ATeam

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It's needed, in part, because many, possibly the majority, of teachers have been so deeply indoctrinated and groomed by far left wing education systems and can not be trusted at all to tell the truth of what they are "teaching" in their classrooms and what they are presenting in their libraries.
What is the truth you want our teachers to tell?
 

LDB

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My point was they would lie about what they are doing or teaching without something like this to force transparency on them. But the truth I'd like them to tell is phonics, history, civics, citizenship, reading, writing, math, cursive and all the other things they taught 70 years ago when we were among the top 5 globally if not first, before they switched to teaching genders, two mommies, two daddies and anything and everything other than the actual academic studies and disciplines and dropped us to barely within the top 50, if that.
 
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