What a surprise....

OntarioVanMan

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Wells Fargo changes perception of banks in blink of an eye
Douglas McIntyre
Apr 9th 2009 at 8:40AM

Every major U.S. bank is rallying like mad on the heels of Wells Fargo (WFC) reporting that it made a profit in the first quarter. WFC shares have spiked up 23 percent to $18.50 in early trading.

The financial firm said it expects to report record net income of approximately $3 billion for first quarter 2009, or approximately 55 cents per common share after preferred dividends, including $372 million in dividends paid to U.S. taxpayers on the U.S. Treasury's Capital Purchase Program investment.

The word "record" must floor investors based on the perception that American banks still face substantial write-offs from toxic assets, consumer loans, and commercial real estate.

Wells Fargo predicted that it would post total revenue of $20 billion, up an estimated 16 percent, driven by the core businesses it owned before buying Wachovia. Results at Wachovia were better than expected.

If one or two other large money center banks post strong results, there will be a temptation to think that the worst of the financial crisis is over.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Yeah..but which way?...is WF being honest or are we getting fleeced with all these bailouts?....
 

chefdennis

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As Turtle said, there are alot of banks that are in very good shape with not much or any sub-prime crap on their books, the bank that does the sba loans for my leasing company is in very good shape. Wells Fargo looks like they are doing quite well but, I wouldn't stand in a corner and hold my breath thinking that this has buttomed out, its far from over and TPTB know that....
 

Turtle

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Read the first link especially. A very small number of banks control a very large percentage of the money.
 

Tennesseahawk

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WF was not in dire straights when the doodoo hit the fan; but rather, were forced into TARP. No wonder they want to get out of TARP as quickly as possible! Would any successful business want to be beholdant to know-nothings in DC?

Why do you think politicians are in politics? Cause most of them couldn't hold a job in the real world.
 

letzrockexpress

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Wells fargo did a fair amount of Sub-prime the past 5 or 6 years. I did a lot of home improvement paper with them up until late 2005 that was considered secondary market loans.They're lending criteria was more loose than the "A" banks, but they didn't go overboard. Just because a bank got involved in the sub-prime market doesn't mean it is in trouble. Everybody didn't default.
 
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OntarioVanMan

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My point was..is...This GOOD news helped the DOW rally to-day even if it is just for to-day. America is good news deprived...the lack of any good news or rather when there is good news a lot of people downplay it and I don't understand why they want us to mope around crying and whinning...Get over it! This country WILL rebound and there will be MORE good news....which doesn't fair well...for some who will condemn this admin to further their political agenda...
 

Tennesseahawk

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Condemning this administration? Only because he doesn't know what the heck he's doing! Remember, this crap was done back in the 70s... throwing freshly minted currency at our problems does one thing... INFLATION.

If they can't learn from past mistakes, they don't have what it takes to move us ahead, IMO.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Condemning this administration? Only because he doesn't know what the heck he's doing! Remember, this crap was done back in the 70s... throwing freshly minted currency at our problems does one thing... INFLATION.

If they can't learn from past mistakes, they don't have what it takes to move us ahead, IMO.

I am hoping Corporate America and the American consumer won't wait for the politicians....Americans want to spend money!
 

Tennesseahawk

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I am hoping Corporate America and the American consumer won't wait for the politicians....Americans want to spend money!

Their problem was that they wanted to spend money they didn't have. Most ppl are tightening their belts right now, whether or not they lost their jobs. It's time for Americans (and the rest of the civilized world) to get off their high horses and "pony" up for their bad money management, encouraged by their respective governments.

I, for one, wish they would teach proper financing in school, to prepare ppl for REAL LIFE. Maybe then, the lemming consumers would be depleted in number. But, maybe THAT'S why it's not taught. Power is depleted when the masses have knowledge.
 

chefdennis

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People want to spend money that they don't have.....The last "stimulas checks that were sent out didn't do a thing because most people that got them either paid off bills or saved it because they have been hit hard... those that did spend it, weren't enough to do anything to "stimulate" the market....

With unemployment heading to 10% within the next 2 month, you can bet that not alot of people will be spending or even having any "disposable income".... one of my wifes and my businesses is totally a luxury and only people that have disposable income will even consider it, it is expensive, that business is very slow and won't pickup anytime soon...it isn't gone, but it is down over 70% from 2 yrs ago, luckily I don't have to spend any money on it until the service is used, so i don't have to pay bills for it until that time, there aren't any other then advertising and that is paid out of a seperate fund...people might want to spend money, they just don't have it to spend and alot of them have finally figured out they can't continue to use the CC's and stay ahead....No this is far from over and this spike will fall...there is talk my investment professionals that the dow could fall to 1000 before this buttoms, that you will see TSHTF on wall street....I wonder if barry will pay attention to that since he says the market doesn't matter that much in the day to day situations.......
 

OntarioVanMan

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I am no expert...but hit a 1000...? I really don't think so....Theres room to drop some more..but a 1,000? There is no reason for a number that low...
 

chefdennis

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Well since I am not the source, i guess you wouldn't be referring to me, but here is one of the source, I'll dig up the other, but it will be later maybe next monday as I am heading home for easter when I am done here. Sat. I'll be in ann Arbor for the UofM Spring Football game and then easter dinner with the extended family, maybe get some range time in on sat evening too.........:D

You all have a good Holiday. Now as to how valid this is, i have no idea, I pay people to deal with my investments cause I done claim to have a clue on how it all works, but here is the link:

YouTube - "Dow going to 1000" Canadian Gold Analyst
 

greg334

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I, for one, wish they would teach proper financing in school, to prepare ppl for REAL LIFE. Maybe then, the lemming consumers would be depleted in number. But, maybe THAT'S why it's not taught. Power is depleted when the masses have knowledge.

But they do...

Johnny has $20

Jill has none

Brandon robs johnny of $10

How much does Jill get setting up Johnny?
 

OntarioVanMan

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Yeah and if I had the time and inkling I could probably find an analyst that would say something much different.
 

OntarioVanMan

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While he doesn't mention anything about 1000 market, Peter Schiff had some eye opening things to say on MSLSD a couple weeks ago. Pure and simple, ppl do not have money to spend to get the country moving again; and ONLY the government getting out of the way, and letting the recession follow its course, will we get back on track.

YouTube - Peter Schiff vs Obama's Stimulus - 3-25-2009 on MSNBC

Yeah and you still can't get a seat in a Waffle House at 7am!
 
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