Watch Out!!

layoutshooter

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During the runup to the election I "might" have mentioned that we needed to insure that whomever we elected to the office of President had the experience and backround in military and forgien affairs to handle the job. I touched on the facts of Russian expansion into the Western hemisphere and the possible re-building of the Soviet Union. China, North Korea and Iran were also talked about. Many on the left in here said I was "ranting" or paraniod. Some others suggested that experience was over-rated and not needed. I don't like to cut and paste but I had to put in this report. Watch out!! The "Vandels" are "at the gate" and our so-called leader is just "fiddling" around.

We are in serious trouble. We must beef up our military, and fast, before it is too late. Wars happen at a much faster than they did in 1940. We will not have months to recover from a first attack. We must get stronger fast. We need to go into a "war" footing and start production of aircraft, ships, tanks and arms. We must build up the numbers of troops to a level that can handle a global conflict with a foe like Russia.

We as a country are a good people and therefor we tend to believe that most everyone else is good. It is NOT that way in the real world. There ARE evil governments. The affore mentioned countries fit that discricption.

I am very concerned. I don't believe that our current administration has a handle on what is really going on. There will be some that will advise Obama on this correctly, but I believe that he will ignore or downplay the threat. He does not have the backround, experience or proper education for the position he is in.

I pray that he will wake up before it is too late. The world cannot take another 20th centurey. Evil governments exterminated over 100 million then, just imagine what those same governments will be able to do with todays technology.

It is up to us. We must INSIST that Obama do the job he was elected to do, Protect and Defend, or get him out of there and get someone in who will.

Wars are much easier to avoid than win. IF we show that we will NOT lay down for these countries they WILL back off. IF we continue down the current path they will not. It is that simple. The time is now.

President Obama, DO YOUR JOB!!! Protect and Defend!!!

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MOSCOW – A Russian Air Force chief said Saturday that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has offered an island as a temporary base for strategic Russian bombers, the Interfax news agency reported.
The chief of staff of Russia's long range aviation, Maj. Gen. Anatoly Zhikharev, also said Cuba could be used to base the aircraft, Interfax reported.
The Kremlin, however, said the situation was hypothetical.
"The military is speaking about technical possibilities, that's all," Alexei Pavlov, a Kremlin official, told The Associated Press. "If there will be a development of the situation, then we can comment," he said.
Zhikharev said Chavez had offered "a whole island with an airdrome, which we can use as a temporary base for strategic bombers," the agency reported. "If there is a corresponding political decision, then the use of the island ... by the Russian Air Force is possible."
Interfax reported he said earlier that Cuba has air bases with four or five runways long enough for the huge bombers and could be used to host the long-range planes.
Two Russian bombers landed in Venezuela last year in what experts said was the first Western Hemisphere touchdown of Russian military craft since the end of the Cold War.
Cuba has never permanently hosted Russian or Soviet strategic aircraft. But Soviet short-range bombers often made stopovers there during the Cold War.
Russia resumed long-range bomber patrols in 2007 after a 15-year hiatus.
Independent military analyst Alexander Golts said from a strategic point of view there was nothing for Russia to gain from basing long-range craft within relatively short range of U.S. shores.
"It has no military sense. The bombers don't need any base. This is just a retaliatory gesture," Golts said, saying Russia wanted to hit back after U.S. ships patrolled Black Sea waters.
Moscow and the new U.S. administration of President Barack Obama have appeared to want to mend their relations, which reached a post-Cold War low last year when Russia's invasion of U.S. ally Georgia compounded disputes on security and democracy.
U.S. plans initiated under former President George W. Bush to position defense missiles in Poland and the Czech Republic had particularly irked Russia, which has welcomed his successor's apparently more cautious approach to the divisive issue.
Venezuela and Cuba, traditionally fierce U.S. foes, have close political and energy relations with Russia.
 

layoutshooter

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Incorrect, OVM. The missles we were looking at putting into Europe were DEFENSVIE missles. We also offered on multiple occasions to put that same missile system IN Russia to help them fend off an attack as well. The systems that Russia is going to put into our back yard are OFFENSIVE weapons with only ONE purpose, to attack us, that will include Canada as well. Layoushooter
 

OntarioVanMan

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Incorrect, OVM. The missles we were looking at putting into Europe were DEFENSVIE missles. We also offered on multiple occasions to put that same missile system IN Russia to help them fend off an attack as well. The systems that Russia is going to put into our back yard are OFFENSIVE weapons with only ONE purpose, to attack us, that will include Canada as well. Layoushooter

Defensive/Offensive...come on Joe...they can be programmed in a flash....
 

greg334

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Layout,
I understand from a friend that Obama has really p*ssed a lot of people off in the state department by considering talking to the Taliban. This is something more scary than Russia and china and we really have to be careful about his ability to be a diplomat for the country - I don't see him being any more effective than Carter was.

The Taliban as you know operates within Pakistan and Afghanistan and they have been helping people in Pakistan who are trying to change the government there. Obama made the comment that he would invade Pakistan and their government has been on edge since he has been president. He has now said he wants to talk to the Taliban and this further distances us from the stable Pakistan government.

The problem is that we are screwing up our relationship with Pakistan and they may end up going to a Taliban form of government which will become a big mess and they have nukes. India will not stand by and let this happen, they will invade Pakistan to ensure those nukes are not used or they may just use their Nukes to limit the threat from a new form of aggressive radical extremist government.

My bigger fear between Russia/China and Pakistan/India is the latter because we are so dependent on these two countries for outsourced services that it will interrupt our economy. Not to mention the access we have allowed the people in these countries to have, which is another long thread.

About the planes in Cuba, I think this is to force the hand of Obama to lift the sanctions against Cuba more than anything else. Cuba is in desperate need of cash, American cash and they will welcome the US back in. Raul Castro in a move a few weeks ago purged the old party leaders at the top, I think in order to show the US that they are willing to work with us instead of Russia. The other thing that has been brought up is the fact that we are the only country that has sanctions like this against Cuba and it is amazing that they have been doign so poorly when countries like England, France and Germany could have brought money to Cuba.

As for Chavez, this move has zero to do with military intervention by the russians against the US, they are now showing signs of real problems in their own country thanks to cheap oil. The real reason behind chavez's move is to ensure his position as dictator by bringing in an outside military force. If there is a coup, then he can use the Russians under the guise of protecting their interest (safety of their base leases and so on) to help him put down any insurrection that may happen and the international community can't really do much at that point.

OH by the way, Bush snubbed Putin when Putin offered to base the missiles in Russia.
 

layoutshooter

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Incorrect again, OVM. The system we were talking about in Europe were Surface-to-Air systems, designed to take out incomming missles. They are not usable as an offensive system. They just don't work for that. The Soviet bombers have ONLY one use as well, attack. These are cold hard facts. If we were putting in ICMB's then I might agree, but we were not. Just as during the latter days of the Cold War (WW3) we had a thing called the INF treaty with Russia. We eleminated short range ballistic missle systems in Europe. Everyone was happy. Russian missles were no longer targeted at Europe. They were gone. WRONG!!! The Soviet ICBM's in Eastern Russia, like the road moble SS25 and train mobile SS24 were able to be road programed for what is called a "short launch" and very capable of hitting Western Europe. We are talking about a system more akin to the old Nike system that was deployed around U.S. cities in the '60's. Thier only use was interdiction of incoming Soviet bombers and/or ICBM's. Layoutshooter
 

layoutshooter

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The thing with Putin and Bush went back and forth several times. It was a stupid thing. Too much politics. It would have benefitted all to put that system in place. Too much open press chatter and not enough back room stuff.

As to India and Pakistan, you are correct.

I don't agree with you assesment of the Soviet threat. I have no trust of the "Bear". Russia has been and will remain a serious threat to not only the U.S. but the World in general. They would love to take us out.

Just my thoughts, either way, Obama is NOT doing the job he was elected to do. He is putting us in danger. Layoutshooter
 

greg334

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I don't agree with you assesment of the Soviet threat. I have no trust of the "Bear". Russia has been and will remain a serious threat to not only the U.S. but the World in general. They would love to take us out.

I'm not saying there is not a threat, but the move is not to establish a SA presents, they already have the means for a short time frame strike against us over the north pole. I can't trust the Russians because we screwed them and that is not forgotten. The real problem with using a SA base is what could happen with a country like Brazil and Argentina who are a large exporters and they may not like the idea that Russians are going to strike the US which will cut them off from the US dollar. Both those countries don't care what happens within the border of Venezuela and this allows Chavez to do what he wants.

Just my thoughts, either way, Obama is NOT doing the job he was elected to do. He is putting us in danger. Layoutshooter

I agree with you, Carter is the one I point to that should be the benchmark of despicable diplomacy. Obama is actually leading Carter in many respects and you may remember what the military moral slide down to during the Carter era, the state department has already been at the military's 79 level in the 6 weeks of the new administration. Hillary is already a joke in the dipliomatic circles, and with Biden in the wings trying to figure out how to get rid of Obama (speculation by his sabatoging rhetoric), we are really in some serious trouble.
 

layoutshooter

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It is scary either way. I am not too concerned about a Soviet attack from over the pole, we can interdict that, a bomber strike that is. We are weak from the south.

Obama is a joke. He is running around like a chicken with his head cut off. He is trying to run things ,"hands on" like Carter rather than hiring a compentent team to work with him. Advise him. etc. Like Reagan did. No one man can do what Obama is trying to do. He has hired incompitent people. He is, A PUTZ!!! Layoutshooter
 

greg334

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Every president that actually did something positive didn't have the messiah complex. they knew who to hire and let them work.

Reagan was a good example, he would say I want to see this and his people would come up with the details to get it done.
 

mjolnir131

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Oh great didn't we just go threw this with Jack. yea and the big problem here is that Hugo (I'm sure the election was not rigged)Chavez makes Castro look like a totally sane choir boy
 
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mjolnir131

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See this is why Dutch was a great President nobody knew if he was carzy enough to push the button or not the "i have outlawed russia" line was perfect
 

layoutshooter

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You nailed it Greg. Reagan was a "manager" and a fairly good one at that. Obama is a "Boss" and not a very good one either. Managers, good one's, are far more likely to get good resuts as opposed to bosses who are more likely to either fail or get just mediocure results. Bosses almost NEVER get the best work out of thier people. Layoutshooter
 

iceroadtrucker

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Well, Shooter, Greg, I've said this since I been here and back in 2005 2006 2007 2008 so many of you laughed and made out what i said to be a joke.

Not funny now is it. None of it. Heck I told ya in 2007 about Russia As well as China etc.

I was laughed at. No one is laughing now are ya.

Well laugh some more, why don't everybody!!! HA HA HA HA
Greg go ahead put your feet up as ya you know what is getting deep. HA HA HA HA HA

Well This time I didn't have to say it. You ALL did for me.

Thanks. YIPPEEE SKIPPE

Now I hope everyone is ready, I hope your all in shape.

I am and I'm ready any time any where.
Bring it.

No I'm not kidding either I mean it.
 
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RLENT

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As for Chavez, this move has zero to do with military intervention by the russians against the US, they are now showing signs of real problems in their own country thanks to cheap oil. The real reason behind chavez's move is to ensure his position as dictator by bringing in an outside military force. If there is a coup, then he can use the Russians under the guise of protecting their interest (safety of their base leases and so on) to help him put down any insurrection that may happen and the international community can't really do much at that point.
Likely correct.
 

Turtle

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Obama was elected to Protect and Defend? Really? Who told you that? Certainly not anyone who voted for him, that's for sure.
 

letzrockexpress

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I agree, Obama seems to be all over the board right now. The effectiveness of his management style remains to be seen. In his defense, To borrow a line from Letterman, " I wouldn't give his problems to a monkey on a rock". There is so much chaos with so many issues. I submit that no matter who the president was at this point, be it Lincoln, FDR, Bill Clinton, or even Reagan, they would be in the struggle of their life without realizing much, if any, success. Specifically though, pertaining to the Taliban issue, Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
 

hdxpedx

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This is EXACTLY what this country get's when ALL the NEWS TRUCKS ran to JOE THE PLUMBER-PALINS DAUGHTHERS HOUSE to DESTORY- WHILE BY-PASSING CHICAGO for TWO years!! ACORN RAT'S controls this GROUP- PUTIN has a KGB PAYBACK OPENING!!
 

letzrockexpress

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This is EXACTLY what this country get's when ALL the NEWS TRUCKS ran to JOE THE PLUMBER-PALINS DAUGHTHERS HOUSE to DESTORY- WHILE BY-PASSING CHICAGO for TWO years!! ACORN RAT'S controls this GROUP- PUTIN has a KGB PAYBACK OPENING!!

Say what???
 
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