purgoose10
Veteran Expediter
One things for sure. By the time they get through analizing chains it will be spring again. 
Waitin' for the snow!
- Thread starter Doggie Daddy
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Exactly! Diane and I have been on the road 9 years and have only chained up two or three times and there was no need to do it then either; at least no need that was evident to us.
Once over Donner, they made us chain up when the sun was shining and the road was wet. There was not a flake of snow on the road. It was wet pavement shoulder to shoulder. And it's not like the DOT did not know what was going on. When chains are required on Donner, the DOT has all kinds of people on the ground there. Chains required for wet roads ... what's up with that?
What's up with that? Revenue.
ChanceMaster
Expert Expediter
Ateam: same experience here. As a new driver I was really worried about chaining. I practiced on a dry lot out in Salt Lake City, even posting pictures here on e/o for critique and advice. When the big event happened, it was a disappointment.
I guess we should revel in our preparedness ! Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
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I guess we should revel in our preparedness ! Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
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zorry
Veteran Expediter
Did anyone really say they are not as effective as real chains
OR
Did they say they are as effective up to X inches ?
BTW ,I think my sales pitch was six inches.
Paullud talks of fireman and municipalities complaining of their ineffectiveness. Has he provided links to such testomonials ? Maybe he's just buying the sales pitch from a real chain company.
OR
Did they say they are as effective up to X inches ?
BTW ,I think my sales pitch was six inches.
Paullud talks of fireman and municipalities complaining of their ineffectiveness. Has he provided links to such testomonials ? Maybe he's just buying the sales pitch from a real chain company.
Doggie Daddy
Veteran Expediter
I have tried a few different ways on Google to come up with complaints about automatic chains, and so far I haven't come up with anything.
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Well, one thing is for sure, NO PROOF or DOCUMENTATION.
Just a lot of hot air as you continue spout opinion.
paullud
Veteran Expediter
Are they capable of doing what full chains can do? The answer is clearly no, therefore they are not as effective. You admit they are only effective in a few inches of wet snow or up to 6 inches in dry powder then turn around and say I'm wrong even though you just finished saying they don't have the same capabilities.
I told you what to search, search automatic tire chain problems. You claimed you researched the product and you are telling me you didn't find complaints, just one more example that shows you stood there and believed what the salesman told you. I wasn't looking to buy chains, I already had them so there was no sales pitch. I was looking at ATD's though and decided to research their claims and look into the regulations and laws.
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zorry
Veteran Expediter
They'll do MORE than regular chains.
They'll get me out of a recessed dock and out of an unplowed fuel island. Things I wouldn't want to chain up to do.
They'll get me thu a chain- check quickly.
They'll get me over Truckee while guys with chains in the bags are waiting for the restriction to be lifted.
Will they get me through a foot of snow ? No. But neither would the bagged chains. I know how to leave them in the bag too.
Out of curiousity I'll google looking for problems. Why not post links of some of the better ones ?
They'll get me out of a recessed dock and out of an unplowed fuel island. Things I wouldn't want to chain up to do.
They'll get me thu a chain- check quickly.
They'll get me over Truckee while guys with chains in the bags are waiting for the restriction to be lifted.
Will they get me through a foot of snow ? No. But neither would the bagged chains. I know how to leave them in the bag too.
Out of curiousity I'll google looking for problems. Why not post links of some of the better ones ?
paullud
Veteran Expediter
There is some opinion but plenty of facts and information from the ATD companies as well. It's pretty clear at this point that you have nothing to back up anything you say or prove what I say is wrong. You haven't even been able to specifically say how I am wrong or counter it in anyway, you just say I'm wrong, my comment is asinine, or hot air.
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paullud
Veteran Expediter
I have tried a few different ways on Google to come up with complaints about automatic chains, and so far I haven't come up with anything.
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Just Google automatic tire chain complaints or problems. The results sometimes bring up the company websites first then there are message boards with disappointed users.
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paullud
Veteran Expediter
The perfect way for you to end, by adding nothing.
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MissKat
Expert Expediter
Well, it has been an interesting thread for sure.
As I mentioned, we used on spots for two years. When they worked, that is, came down into position the way they were supposed to, they are awesome for up to about 4".
Why didn't they work some of the time? Because of sand and grit the states of Oregon and Caliphony put down. If you do not spray off the on spot hubs when you are fueling, 8 out of 10 times they would not release the chains. And you don't know if they actually are down without stopping and looking. The premise is that the chains will swirl in front of the tires and the tires will catch the chains.
We really could not tell a traction difference if we did not look to see that they had come down into working position. However, with full chains you CAN really tell the traction difference because it is virtually guaranteed. But, as ATeam mentioned, they will tear your rubber up if you run on wet pavement rather than snowpack. You will lose at least one set of chains usually on a wet road. The Califoneys think that if you have chains on in the event of black ice (roads that look wet, but are actually skating rinks) it will help you control the vehicle.
In the straight trucks we drove for the Fed, we chained once. It was not worth it. The clearance between the top of the tires and the bottom of the box is too close and if a chain catch is loose, it is loud and WILL tear up the box. Better to park it.
We also drove a w900 from Denver to all points East and West for two years on super singles. PITA to chain, and traction was horrible.
Best of luck to all of you running this winter. Look for my white F250 with my pirate logo and cat paw prints.
Kat
As I mentioned, we used on spots for two years. When they worked, that is, came down into position the way they were supposed to, they are awesome for up to about 4".
Why didn't they work some of the time? Because of sand and grit the states of Oregon and Caliphony put down. If you do not spray off the on spot hubs when you are fueling, 8 out of 10 times they would not release the chains. And you don't know if they actually are down without stopping and looking. The premise is that the chains will swirl in front of the tires and the tires will catch the chains.
We really could not tell a traction difference if we did not look to see that they had come down into working position. However, with full chains you CAN really tell the traction difference because it is virtually guaranteed. But, as ATeam mentioned, they will tear your rubber up if you run on wet pavement rather than snowpack. You will lose at least one set of chains usually on a wet road. The Califoneys think that if you have chains on in the event of black ice (roads that look wet, but are actually skating rinks) it will help you control the vehicle.
In the straight trucks we drove for the Fed, we chained once. It was not worth it. The clearance between the top of the tires and the bottom of the box is too close and if a chain catch is loose, it is loud and WILL tear up the box. Better to park it.
We also drove a w900 from Denver to all points East and West for two years on super singles. PITA to chain, and traction was horrible.
Best of luck to all of you running this winter. Look for my white F250 with my pirate logo and cat paw prints.
Kat
Slacktide
Seasoned Expediter
zorry, I was passing on information in the T1000 thread that was concerning a friends truck. Once I met up with them and showed them the thread that was prompting my questions and they signed up I had no dog in the fight. They had never been on EO or any other message board before. If you have never sat with someone that hasn't been on before I highly reccomend it, its a hoot.
As for what you THINK I have said in this thread you may want to read the thread again. This is the first I have posted in this thread. Feel free to refresh my memory and provide a link where I got "excited".
Interesting theory there. I, unlike many here in this thread, have been WORKING. Do you remember what that is? Ya know, turn the key, drive?
BTW, just to keep on topic. I have On Spots on my truck and wouldn't ever be without them on any future truck.
http://www.expeditersonline.com/forum/general-expediter-forum/48242-spot-automatic-chains-3.html
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I will add this as well, I do NOT work for any vendors be it truck, refer, auto chain or otherwise. That is more than can be said about one member in the T1000 thread, I'll let you all figure out who he is on your own.
zorry
Veteran Expediter
Slack,thanks for the update. I've had three PM's asking who you are,so I thought I'd try to flush you out.
The link to what you posted earlier about on-spots is a must read for anyone that has been interested in this thread.
Your extreme happiness with the Jeff Jones experience seemed suspect to some. I'm happy that he's made you happy. His name comes up often.
Most that I have come across seem to tolerate him because they feel they must deal with him.
I have no horse in this race, having never dealt with him. I just know what I hear.
Is Firsthand just a driver and/or owner ? People seem curious about him also.
As for where you got excited I'll try to find it,possibly Sunday.
I, like you, have been running pretty hard.
Again, thanks for the response. It's good to know you're a real driver and not some phony on here with a hidden agenda.
The link to what you posted earlier about on-spots is a must read for anyone that has been interested in this thread.
Your extreme happiness with the Jeff Jones experience seemed suspect to some. I'm happy that he's made you happy. His name comes up often.
Most that I have come across seem to tolerate him because they feel they must deal with him.
I have no horse in this race, having never dealt with him. I just know what I hear.
Is Firsthand just a driver and/or owner ? People seem curious about him also.
As for where you got excited I'll try to find it,possibly Sunday.
I, like you, have been running pretty hard.
Again, thanks for the response. It's good to know you're a real driver and not some phony on here with a hidden agenda.
Well my cover has been blown.
I confess, I AM, J.J.
Thats right, I am, J.J.
J.J. is just me.
I'm just mad about J.J.
J.J. maad about meeee.
Oh.................J.J. stands for: ..... just jokin.
I confess, I AM, J.J.
Thats right, I am, J.J.
J.J. is just me.
I'm just mad about J.J.
J.J. maad about meeee.
Oh.................J.J. stands for: ..... just jokin.
