Tunisian leader forced from power

EnglishLady

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BBC News - Tunisia: President Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali forced out

Tunisian President Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali has stepped down after 23 years in power as protests over economic issues snowballed into rallies against him.

Prime Minister Mohammed Ghannouchi has taken over as interim president, and a state of emergency has been declared.

Unconfirmed reports say Mr Ben Ali and his family have left Tunisia, and that he is looking for a place of asylum
 

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Sounds like it was pretty nasty, riots etc.


Tunisians drive leader from power in mass uprising​


TUNIS, Tunisia – Protesters enraged over soaring unemployment and corruption drove Tunisian President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali from power Friday after 23 years of iron-fisted rule, an unprecedented popular uprising in a region dominated by strongmen who do not answer to their people.

Tunisians buoyant over Ben Ali's ouster immediately worried, however, about what's next: the caretaker leadership of the prime minister who took control, and the role of the army in the transition.

The upheaval took place after weeks of escalating unrest fueled partly by social media and cell phones, as thousands of demonstrators from all walks of life rejected Ben Ali's promises of change and mobbed the capital of Tunis to demand his ouster in the country's largest demonstrations in generations.

At least 23 people have been killed in the riots, according to the government, but opposition members put the death toll at more than three times that.

On Friday, police repeatedly clashed with protesters, some of whom climbed onto the entrance roof of the dreaded Interior Ministry, widely believed for years to be a place where the regime's opponents were tortured.

With clouds of tear gas and black smoke drifting over the city's whitewashed buildings, Prime Minister Mohammed Ghannouchi went on state television to announce that he was assuming power in this North African nation previously known mostly for its wide sandy beaches and ancient ruins.

"I take over the responsibilities temporarily of the leadership of the country at this difficult time to help restore security," Ghannouchi said in a solemn statement on state television. "I promise ... to respect the constitution, to work on reforming economic and social issues with care and to consult with all sides."

The president promised legislative elections in six months, a pledge that appeared to open at least the possibility of a new government.

President Barack Obama said he applauded the courage and dignity of protesting Tunisians, and urged all parties to keep calm and avoid violence.



AP/Christophe Ena

Tunisian air space was closed and the president's whereabouts were a mystery. It was far from certain that his ouster would calm the streets. Isolated gunfire broke out sporadically Friday night and a state of emergency was in effect. European tour companies moved thousands of tourists out of the country.

"My first reaction is relief," said Dr. Souha Naija, a resident radiologist at Charles Nicole Hospital. "He's gone ... I finally feel free."

"They got the message. The people don't want a dictator." However, she voiced concern for the future because, officially at least, Ben Ali vacated power only temporarily.

"It's ambiguous," she said.

Ben Ali's downfall sent a potentially frightening message to autocratic leaders across the Arab world. He deftly managed the economy of his small country of 10 million better than many other Middle Eastern nations grappling with sclerotic economies and booming, young populations, turning it into a beach haven for tourists and beacon of stability in volatile North Africa. There was a lack of civil rights and little or no freedom of speech, but a better quality of life for many than in neighboring countries like Algeria and Libya.

He had won frequent praise from abroad for presiding over reforms to make the economy more competitive and attract business; growth last year was at 3.1 percent.

But unemployment was officially measured at 14 percent, but far higher among the young — 52 percent of Tunisia's 10 million people — and despair among job-seeking young graduates was palpable.

Arabs across the region celebrated on Twitter, Facebook and blogs at news of the Tunisian uprising.

Thousands of Tweets congratulating the Tunisian people flooded the Internet and many people changed their profile pictures to Tunisian flags.

Egyptian activists opposed to President Hosni Mubarak's three-decade regime also looked to the events in Tunisia with hope.
About 50 Egyptians gathered outside the Tunisian embassy in Cairo Friday to celebrate with singing and dancing. They chanted, "Ben Ali, tell Mubarak a plane is waiting for him too!"
Unconfirmed rumors about Ben Ali's location reached such a fevered pitch that the governments of France and Malta — just two of several countries where Ben Ali was speculated to be heading — put out statements saying they have had no requests to accommodate him.

The 74-year-old leader came to power in a bloodless palace coup in 1987. He took over from a man called formally President-for-Life — Habib Bourguiba, the founder of modern-day Tunisia who set the Muslim country on a pro-Western course after independence from France in 1956.

Ben Ali removed Bourguiba from office for "incompetence," saying he had become too old, senile and sick to rule. Ben Ali promised then that his leadership would "open the horizons to a truly democratic and evolved political life."

But after a brief period of reforms, Tunisia's political evolution stopped.

Ben Ali consistently won elections with overwhelmingly questionable tallies: In 2009, he was re-elected for a fifth five-year term with 89 percent of the vote. Beforehand, he had warned opponents they would face legal retaliation if they questioned the vote's fairness.

U.S. diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks have called Tunisia a "police state" and described the corruption there, saying Ben Ali had lost touch with his people. Social networks like Facebook helped spread the comments to the delight of ordinary Tunisians, who have complained about the same issues for years.

Under Ben Ali, most opposition parties were illegal. Amnesty International said authorities infiltrated human rights groups and harassed dissenters. Reporters Without Borders described Ben Ali as a "press predator" who controlled the media.

The riots started after an educated but jobless 26-year-old committed suicide in mid-December when police confiscated the fruits and vegetables he was selling without a permit. His desperate act hit a nerve, sparked copycat suicides and focused generalized anger against the regime into a widespread, outright revolt.

The president tried vainly to hold onto power. On Thursday night he went on television to promise not to run for re-election in 2014 and slashed prices on key foods such as sugar, bread and milk. A day later he declared the state of emergency, dissolving the government and promising new legislative elections within six months.

Hundreds of police with shields and riot gear moved into the peaceful demonstration nearly six hours after it began on the capital's main Friday in front of the Interior Ministry. Helmeted police fired dozens of rounds of tear gas and kicked and clubbed unarmed protesters — one of whom cowered on the ground, covering his face.

An AP Television News reporter heard gunfire in the center of the Tunisian capital late Friday afternoon, in addition to the popping of tear gas pistols.

A few youths were spotted throwing stones, but most demonstrated calmly. Protesters were of all ages and from all walks of life, from students holding mid-street sit-ins to doctors in white coats to black-robed lawyers waving posters.

"A month ago, we didn't believe this uprising was possible," said Beya Mannai, a geology professor at the University of Tunis. "But the people rose up."

The prime minister suggested that Ben Ali had willingly handed over control,but the exact circumstances of his removal from power were unclear.

The prime minister did not say anything about a coup or about the army being in charge, saying only that he was taking over while the president is "temporarily indisposed."

"Under Article 56 of the Constitution that holds that in a case of temporary incapacity, the president can delegate by decree his power to the prime minister. Given the temporary incapacity of the President to carry out his duties, I take over the responsibilities temporarily of the leadership of the country at this difficult time to help restore security," Ghannouchi said.
Ghannouchi, 69, is a trained economist who has been a longtime close ally of Ben Ali. Prime minister since 1999, he is one of the best-known faces of Tunisia's government. He also has served as the country's minister for international cooperation and its minister of foreign investment.

A founder of the main legal opposition party said the dramatic developments do not amount to a coup d'etat.

"It's an unannounced resignation," Nejib Chebbi said by telephone. To declare a permanent absence of a head of state, such as in a coup, elections would have to be held within 60 days, he said. "So they declare a temporary vacating of power."
Tour operator Thomas Cook said it was evacuating 3,800 British, Irish and German vacationers from Tunisia as a precaution.
In Sudan in 1985, a collapsing economy and other grievances sparked a popular uprising, although the government was eventually ousted by a military coup.

However, the closest parallel in the broader Middle East comes from Iran — which is not an Arab nation — where mass demonstrations helped topple the Shah and usher in the establishment of the Islamic Republic in 1979.

Tunisia's giant neighbor Algeria saw huge protests before it was shaken by a military coup in 1992, with a five-man leadership put in place after the army canceled the nation's first multiparty legislative elections that a Muslim fundamentalist party was poised to win. The party, the Islamic Salvation Front, became a vehicle for popular dissent.

There were also massive demonstrations in Lebanon in 2005, dubbed the "Cedar Revolution," but those were directed against Syrian influence in the country and not the Lebanese government per se. The protests led to the withdrawal of Syrian forces from Lebanon and the resignation of Lebanon's pro-Syrian prime minister and fresh elections.

Al-Qaida's North African offshoot appeared to try to capitalize on the Tunisian unrest, offering its support for protesters this week. There has been no sign of Islamic extremist involvement in the rioting.
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greg334

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President Barack Obama said he applauded the courage and dignity of protesting Tunisians, and urged all parties to keep calm and avoid violence.

Wow, he praises those who are overthrowing their government but condemning those who are trying to change ours.
 

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Things are getting worse for the time being.



Shootout in central Tunis as new leader takes over​


TUNIS, Tunisia – Soldiers and police have exchanged fire with assailants in front of Tunisia's Interior Ministry amid unrest after the longtime president was ousted.

Associated Press reporters saw the shootout Saturday that left two bodies on the ground on a big square in central Tunis. It was not clear whether the two were dead or injured, or who they were.

Snipers could be seen lying down on top of the ministry's roof.
The exchange came soon after Tunisia swore in a new interim president on Saturday. The country has been grappling with looting, deadly fires and widespread unrest after protests forced President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali to flee on Friday
 

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It very well could affect us depending on who is behind this, like Iran maybe? Only time will tell. Everything tends to affect everything in the long run. It needs to be watched.
 

greg334

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Hum... you know where Tunisia is?

I think if Morocco and Tunisia both fall, then the problem would be more with the EU than with the US. Iran funding anything there could be no problem for us, the proximity to Italy and France would be a cause to worry if I lived in Italy or France.

ALSO Italy and France has a serious issue with, believe it or not "Illegal Aliens" who come from North Africa. I think it was in 2009 that Italy deported a crap load of people back to Libya and Somali. Greece is having a serious problem with this right now and are poised to get tough about it.
 

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Hum... you know where Tunisia is?

I think if Morocco and Tunisia both fall, then the problem would be more with the EU than with the US. Iran funding anything there could be no problem for us, the proximity to Italy and France would be a cause to worry if I lived in Italy or France.

ALSO Italy and France has a serious issue with, believe it or not "Illegal Aliens" who come from North Africa. I think it was in 2009 that Italy deported a crap load of people back to Libya and Somali. Greece is having a serious problem with this right now and are poised to get tough about it.



Yes Greg, I know what Tunisia is. I stand by what I say. Everything effects everything. NO country, area of the world is isolated and everyplace, in the long run can affect us. Afghanistan was used as a training base for attacks on the U.S. and our interests. Parts of Somalia are now being used for the same reason. Even IF we are not directly attacked we WILL jump in when our European allies are. I look at things a little different than the average joe. Like I said, fight this war for REAL, or, go the other way, isolate ourselves and play defense. Build up the nukes etc and make it clear that IF we are attacked in any way, shape or form we WILL use them.
 

greg334

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Yes Greg, I know what Tunisia is. I stand by what I say. Everything effects everything. NO country, area of the world is isolated and everyplace, in the long run can affect us.

Well the stakes are higher for the EU not us. We need to focus on the areas that directly affect us, not in Africa where if we do something, the world would be jumping on us for doing something while they don't do a thing.

Africa is a funny place, it is where people are governed by people who want power, there is a weird attitude towards whites while wanting to be like them. It is a place where socialism failed, capitalism is getting things done but no one understand that they need to be left to their own devices and helped the way they want to be helped without the western or European idea of how to live. BUT we as a country don't see it that way. Like Iraq, when they talk about "democracy", it is not the same thing as our idea of what it is or means.

Afghanistan was used as a training base for attacks on the U.S. and our interests.

True but now is it?

There's enough training locations throughout the world, Mexico could have some but if it is in our interest, then what can we really do the situation we are in right now? Nothing.

Parts of Somalia are now being used for the same reason.

So?

Somalia is having a bit of a problem with Somalialand and especially with Ethiopia who has kept a lot of problems in check with their occupation of Somalia. I don't see much of a problem for us, Egypt yes - us no.

Even IF we are not directly attacked we WILL jump in when our European allies are.

Why?

To expend more man power that we need other places?

I think the EU and the individual countries need to stand on their own for once. Nato is one place we need to just leave, let the EU deal with their own defense against the Soviets. If France gets attacked, then we can support them with our feelings, send some dijon mustard to them but outside of that we should become harsh critics as they were with our efforts in Iraq.

I look at things a little different than the average joe.

So do I and I also understand the impact these countries actually hold for us, where I see no big deal and a possibility that either Libya or Morocco will step in to fill the void, I don't see the mainstream terrorist group going there. Either of those two countries have a lot more at stake than we do.

Like I said, fight this war for REAL, or, go the other way, isolate ourselves and play defense. Build up the nukes etc and make it clear that IF we are attacked in any way, shape or form we WILL use them.

Nukes are not the answer, a strong leader is. I think also a retracting from some parts of the world may also be needed, like Europe. If we want to bring a strong military to the fight, it has to start with being strong domestically and lately I think we are too much of a wimp.
 

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The security of a "free Med" is at stake and IF the Med is controlled by China, Russia and Iran, WE are in trouble along with Europe. You can bet your booties that those countries are behind this. Nothing happens in a vacuum.

At one time we had to stones to keep the Med open. I doubt that we do now. We are willing to give that part of the world up. What part is next?

Strong leader? None in my lifetime. None on the horizon either.
 

greg334

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We don't provide the force to make sure that the med is open waters, the Europeans do. We provide some support, AND Russia along with other not so friendly countries also have the same dependency on the open waters as Europe does but that's not the issue here.

What is seems to be the thought that Tunisia is as important to us as say the Isle of Mann. Tunisia has internal problems, they are in the midst of a government change but their neighbor to the east, west and those north of them are the ones who are watching and if there are real issues, it is their countries that will suffer more than anything else.

Thinking that if the terrorist have a foot hold in Tunisia will have a negitive effect on us is missing the point that they already operate out of the bigged foreign aid recipient in our history - Egypt.

I also think that Iran has little to do with this, there doesn't seem to be a link between massive oppression and the Iranians funding a revolution to actually change the government for the better. This is a regional issue, there are problems that have been illustrated with the riots in Paris (about the same issues - from housing to jobs to immigration) which all seem to be moving towards more of a republic/democracy than a religious state.
 

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My first night on "rack" by myself. No more training and this was what I had to deal with. We ONCE were a world power. We ONCE kept the Med "free and open" waters. We no longer have the stones.

Iran is a client state. Money and weapons pass through them from the "big boys", Russia and China.

All of the mess below was part of the "so-called" "Cold War". Libya was a Russian "client state". They just may come back into play again. I believe that the Med is in trouble. Europe cannot secure it by themselves and we depend on a Free Med.


1981 Libya--On August 19, 1981, U.S. planes based on the carrier U.S.S. Nimitz shot down two Libyan jets over the Gulf of Sidra after one of the Libyan jets had fired a heat seeking
missile. The United States periodically held freedom of navigation exercises in the Gulf of Sidra, claimed by Libya as territorial waters but considered international waters by the United States.

The Use of American Military Forces Around the World 1981-1990




Background

In the 1970’s, Libya had claimed a 12 mile extension zone of its territorial waters in the Gulf of Sidra, which had prompted US Naval Forces to conduct Freedom of Navigation operations in the area, the so called "line of death". These operations further increased when Ronald Reagan came to office; in August 1981 he authorized a large naval force, led by USS Forrestal (CV-59) and USS Nimitz (CVN-68), to deploy off the Libyan coast. The Libyan Air Force responded by deploying a high number of interceptors and fighter-bombers, and early on the morning of August 18 when the US exercise began, at least three MiG-25s approached the US Carrier groups but were escorted away by F-4 Phantoms from the USS Forrestal and F-14s from VF-41 and VF-84 from the Nimitz. The Libyans tried to establish the exact location of the US Naval Force. 35 pairs of MiG-23s, MiG-25s, Su-20s, Su-22s and Mirage F.1s flew into the area, and were soon intercepted by seven pairs of F-14s and F-4s. The situation was tense, but neither side fired any weapons, even in at least two cases when MiG-25s tried to breach through the American fighters by flying high and fast.


Incident

On the morning of the 19th, two VF-41 Black Aces F-14As, Fast Eagle 102 (CDR "Hank" Kleeman/LT "DJ" Venlet) and Fast Eagle 107 (LT "Music" Muczynski/LTJG "Amos" Anderson), were flying combat air patrol to cover aircraft engaged in a missile exercise. An E-2A Hawkeye from VAW-124 gained radar contact with two Sukhoi Su-22 'Fitters' which had left Okba Ben Nafi Air Base near Tripoli.

The two F-14s from VF-41 Black Aces were ordered to intercept the two Libyan fighters. Only few seconds before the crossing, at an estimated distance of 300 m one of the two Libyans fired an AA-2 "Atoll" at one of the F-14s, which missed. The short range (well inside the missile's range) and the inability of AA-2 to engage in frontal engagements seem to indicate that this weapon was accidentally fired. Then the two Sukhois flew right past the Americans and tried to escape. The Tomcats evaded and were cleared to return fire by their orders, which mandated self defense on the initiation of hostile action. The F-14’s turned hard port and came behind the Libyan jets. The American pilots fired AIM-9L Sidewinders, and the first kill is credited to “Fast Eagle 102”, and the second Libyan was downed by “Fast Eagle 107”. Both Libyans ejected.

The official United States Navy report states that both Libyan pilots ejected and were safely recovered, but listening to the official audio recording of the incident taken from USS Biddle one of the F-14 pilots states that he saw a Libyan pilot eject but his parachute failed to open.

Less than an hour later, while the Libyans were conducting a Search and Rescue operation of their downed pilots, two fully armed MiG-25s entered the airspace over the Gulf and headed towards the US carriers at Mach 1.5 and conducted a mock attack in the direction of USS Nimitz. Two VF-41 Tomcats and one VF-84 Tomcat headed towards the Libyans, who then turned around. The Tomcats turned home but had to turn around again when the Libyans headed towards the US carriers once more. After being tracked by the F-14's radars, once again the MiGs finally headed home. One more Libyan formation ventured out into the Gulf towards the US forces later that day.

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EnglishLady

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This from the BBC Jan 16

How does the US view Tunisia's revolt?


When 26-year-old Tunisian Mohamed Bouazizi lost hope in the future and set himself on fire on 17 December, no-one expected it would be the undoing of the 23-year-long rule of Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali - including Washington.

In fact when reporters asked for a comment about the growing unrest in Tunisia on 4 January, two weeks after the self-immolation, State Department officials seemed to be caught unaware and said they had not been briefed about Tunisia recently.

The following day, American officials offered a bit more, but focused mostly on the advisory issued to American citizens in Tunisia.

By the end of the week, the Tunisian ambassador in Washington had been summoned for an explanation about the use of violence by the authorities against protestors and the US was urging Tunisia to respect the freedom of assembly.

But despite its slow response, described by critics as neglect, the US can probably still turn to other Arab rulers now and say "I told you so".

'Sinking into the sand'

On Thursday, while the popular demonstrations were growing in size in Tunisia, Hillary Clinton was speaking in Doha, at the Forum for the Future, unleashing a scathing attack on Arab rulers for the lack of reform, corruption and repression that plague the region.

It was a familiar litany but this time it was delivered with unusual vehemence.

"In too many places, in too many ways, the region's foundations are sinking into the sand," she said

"The new and dynamic Middle East that I have seen needs firmer ground if it is to take root and grow everywhere."

A senior US official said Ms Clinton had grown frustrated and tired of speaking about the need for reform and opportunities for young people for two years with no real response from Arab leaders. Her speech was intended as a wake-up call, a warning that their attitude to ruling was dangerous and untenable.

"Those who cling to the status quo may be able to hold back the full impact of their countries' problems for a little while, but not forever," she said, a warning which seems prescient in the wake of Tunisian events.

"If leaders don't offer a positive vision and give young people meaningful ways to contribute, others will fill the vacuum."

The aim was to press Arab leaders to undertake their own reforms and offer a better future for their people as a real guarantee against extremism and perhaps even a guarantee for their own survival.

Washington has often worried about what the alternative to allied regimes in the Arab world would look like, and the fear of Islamist groups taking over in the region has stopped the US from pushing harder for change in the region.

Tunisia co-operated closely with Washington on counter terrorism and shared information about radical groups in North Africa. When the protests spread, Mr Ben Ali claimed the protesters were extremists, perhaps in the hope it would get him Western support.

Ms Clinton's speech in Doha showed a new level of sophistication in understanding what ailed the Arab world and how best to best to address it.

Applause from Obama

Washington's handling of the Tunisia developments was careful.

Asked about the protests at the beginning of the week, Ms Clinton emphasised the need for reform and respect for the protesters' rights to assemble, but also stressed that Washington was not taking sides - perhaps for fear the US would be accused of stoking the unrest.

The aggressive approach of the Bush administration as it tried to implement its "freedom agenda" in the Arab world often ended up alienating not just leaders but also those who were meant to be "freed".

Ms Clinton's comments about Tunisia and her speech in Doha were meant to strike a balance between that and the more subtle, hands-off approach of the Obama administration over the last two years which wasn't seen to be delivering results.

By Friday, President Obama issued a statement applauding the "courage" of Tunisians protestors and their "brave" struggle.

Washington has often been accused of paying lip service to human rights and democracy, calling for greater freedoms while supporting autocratic rulers around the Arab world, from Hosni Mubarak of Egypt to Jordan's King Abdullah and the Saudi King Abdullah.

But the senior official said US foreign policy could not be about overthrowing those regimes, even if Washington wanted them to be and act different.

The official acknowledged that the US looked after its interests first and supported someone like Yemen's president, Ali Abdullah Saleh, because it was in America's national security interest.

But he insisted that Washington also wanted those countries to clean up their act, because this served everybody's interest

A diplomatic cable dated July 2009 from the US embassy in Tunisia, published by Wikileaks and sent by then ambassador in Tunis Robert Godec, shows him sounding the alarm about the internal situation.

"Anger is growing at Tunisia's high unemployment and regional inequities. As a consequence, the risks to the regime's long-term stability are increasing," wrote Mr Godec, as he deplored Tunisia's reluctance to engage with the US in a meaningful way.

"The (Government of Tunisia) declined to engage on the Millennium Challenge Account; declined USAID regional programs to assist young people; reduced the number of Fulbright scholarship students (…),"he added.

In his cable, Mr Godec recommended continuing to press the government on its democracy and human rights practices, but not in public, while trying to intensify engagement with opposition parties and civil society, and offering more educational services to Tunisian youth.

The ambassador also urged Washington to persuade European countries to step up their efforts to convince Tunisia to accelerate political reform, pointing out that France and Italy were reluctant to do so.

Events are still unfolding in Tunisia, but asked whether Washington was heartened or worried by events so far, the senior American official said no one was fretting at the thought that more popular revolts could take place in the region.

But he indicated that what the US really wanted was to see other countries take note and accelerate reforms.
 
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