THOMAS: Is America Israel's new enemy?

OntarioVanMan

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Cal Thomas | Posted: Thursday, March 18, 2010 8:55 am

“Enemy: “a person who feels hatred for, fosters harmful designs against, or engages in antagonistic activities against another; an adversary or opponent.”

— Dictionary.com

Despite Vice President Joe Biden’s recent pledge of unswerving fidelity to Israel during his recent visit there, the rhetoric and pressure directed by the Obama administration against the only fully functioning democracy in the Middle East more accurately resembles the behavior of an enemy.

Increasingly under this administration — but also present in Republican administrations — America’s policy toward Israel is full of “harmful designs” and “antagonistic activities.” The intentions may not be deliberate, but the outcome would lead to the same injurious end.

The latest pretext for putting more pressure on Israel to do more in the “pursuit of peace” comes from a decision by Israel’s Interior Ministry to construct 1,600 new housing units in the east Jerusalem neighborhood of Ramat Shlomo, which is located in “disputed territory.”

To the Palestinians and their Arab and Muslim neighbors, most especially Iran and Syria, all of Israel is “disputed territory.” It is difficult to understand why the U.S. State Department thinks not building a few houses is going to dissuade Israel’s enemies from wanting less than they want now.

The failure of this formula has been evident for decades, but U.S. policy continues to employ it, always with the same results. Whether Israel’s concessions have been unilateral — most recently with its abandonment of the Gaza Strip, which predictably led to terrorist attacks from that territory — or negotiated deals which the Palestinians have never lived up to, Israel always ends up getting its pocket picked. Then, the United States, the U.N., Europe and Russia demand that it put more valuables in its pocket so the thieves can continue their thievery.

A Washington Post headline illustrates the deteriorating relationship between the two nations, “U.S. Pushes Netanyahu to Accept 3 Demands.” There is no similar demand that the Palestinians and especially Hamas, which has said it will agree to nothing less than the eradication of Israel, should accept anything, not even the minimal acceptance of Israel’s right to exist. Meanwhile, Hamas has called on Palestinians to launch a third “intifada.”

After apologizing to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for the “offense” of the housing announcement during Biden’s visit, Netanyahu reminded the Israeli parliament that Israel has been building in east Jerusalem for four decades. He said, “The building of those Jewish neighborhoods in no way hurt the Arabs of East Jerusalem and did not come at their expense.”

That doesn’t matter when the wrong formula is employed. In this twisted thinking, whatever Israel does is unjustified so long as the Palestinian-Arab-Muslim side is unhappy.

What part of annihilation does the State Department not understand? What State is blind to is that the “Israeli-Palestinian conflict,” as it is erroneously labeled, is part of a worldwide religious war against all things Jewish, Christian, secular, modern and Western.

Making demands of only one side before serious negotiations begin, especially on matters of Jerusalem, so-called “refugees” and borders, effectively pressures Israel into making concessions on all three, which would severely damage its prospects for continued existence.

How about first making these demands of the Palestinian-Arab-Muslim side: (1) A pledge of no more war with Israel, or terrorism; 2) a declaration by a powerful Islamic cleric that their God no longer requires them to kill people who don’t believe as they do; and 3) no more teaching in Palestinian textbooks and in their media that Jews created AIDS and descend from monkeys and pigs?

After those three demands are met, the State Department can start making demands of Israel. Not before. Anything less puts America on the wrong side, along with Israel’s (and America’s) enemies. Or hasn’t State noticed that we share the same enemies?
 

greg334

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I seem to think it is America, not just the administration.

There has been an ongoing discussion for a long time based on the fact that even through many American Jews support Israel, they vote consistently for the liberals - 77% for Obama in the last election - which means that they clearly support the likes of Carter and Gore.

Most of the support for Israel seems to have come from the right leaning political ideology in this country, not the left leaning. It seems to mirror the concerns some of us have when we view socialism in this country and how it has been the problems in Europe and Asia.

Bush, and the previous republican presidents stood firm on several Israeli issues while Democrats after Johnson, specifically Carter setting the standard were more to sway things to the other side of the issue without seeing the impact.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Well the Isrealis are going to get tired of giving and giving till it hurts...and the Hamas and Palistinians keep on going...

we'll turn a good allie against us...
 

Pilgrim

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Retired Expediter
In a way, it's amazing that so many American Jews continually vote Democrat/Liberal and are against the interests of Israel. But maybe that's because they are American Jews, not Israelis. Most, especially those in the entertainment industry probably don't even understand the plight if the Israelis.

We now have a Muslim sympathizer (if not a closet Muslim) in the White House. It should come as no surprise that someone named Barack Hussein Obama would on the one hand put unrealistic demands on Israel, but on the other hand stands by cluelessly while Iran (dedicated to the destruction of Israel) develops nuclear weapons. It could very well come to pass that while this feckless buffoon buries himself in an effort to convert our country to European Socialism, he suddenly one day finds himself dealing with the worst foreign relations crisis since Hitler crossed into the Rhineland. Kinda gives you the warm fuzzies knowing we've got the most unqualified president AND SecState dealing with that problem. Remember the ad about the red phone ringing at 3AM? If it does with this administration, they'll probably let it go to voice mail.
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
"The tragedy of the people of Palestine is that their country was "given" by a foreign power to another people for the creation of a new state. The result was that many hundreds of thousands of innocent people were made permanently homeless. With every new conflict their numbers increased.

How much longer is the world willing to endure this spectacle of wanton cruelty? It is abundantly clear that the refugees have every right to the homeland from which they were driven, and the denial of this right is at the heart of the continuing conflict.

No people anywhere in the world would accept being expelled en masse from their own country; how can anyone require the people of Palestine to accept a punishment which nobody else would tolerate?

A permanent just settlement of the refugees in their homeland is an essential ingredient of any genuine settlement in the Middle East.

We are frequently told that we must sympathise with Israel because of the suffering of the Jews in Europe at the hands of the Nazis. ... What Israel is doing today cannot be condoned, and to invoke the horrors of the past to justify those of the present is gross hypocrisy."

..... Bertrand Russell, 31 January 1970
 

Pilgrim

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Retired Expediter
Here's a website that offers an interesting and easy to understand history of the conflict in the Middle East involving Jews, Arabs and Palestinians. The maps are particularly good in illustrating how the area has been carved up multiple times. The whole read is not too lengthy, but the excerpt below drives home the main point:

"From 1949-67 when all of Judea-Samaria [West Bank & Jerusalem] and Gaza ... were 100% under Arab [Jordanian & Egyptian] control, no effort was EVER made to create a second Palestinian State for the Arabs living there. Surely you do not expect Israel to now provide these same Arabs with their own country when their fellow Arabs failed to do so! And isn't it curious how Arafat and his PLO (formed in 1964) discovered their "ancient" identity and a need for "self-determination" and "human dignity" on this very same West Bank ONLY AFTER Israel regained this territory (three years later in 1967) following Jordan's attempt attempt to destroy Israel! Why was no request ever made upon King Hussein of Jordan by the Arabs living on the West Bank when he occupied it? Is it logical that the PLO was formed in 1964 to regain the lands they would lose three years later in 1967? This sort of logic makes sense only to those who who have not learned that the PLO was formed to DESTROY Israel. And that is STILL their goal! A cosmetic name change from PLO (Palestine Liberation Organization) to PA (Palestinian Authority) does not change the stripes on THIS tiger!"

History of Israel and Palestine in VERY Easy To Understand Maps
 

RLENT

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Here's a website that offers an interesting and easy to understand history of the conflict in the Middle East involving Jews, Arabs and Palestinians.
Well, it's certainly "easy to understand" ..... and as to the interesting aspect, .... yeah ... it's interesting alright ..... :rolleyes:

But any slight understanding that it might convey, certainly won't be anything approaching a complete or even a somewhat thorough understanding .... and decidedly not a balanced one ....... and will, in the final analysis, undoubtedly be a utterly flawed understanding ....

Of course, the site itself clearly has a huge pro-Zionist/Israel agenda ... I guess the tip offs were probably the fact that almost every other sentence ended with an exclaimation point (yeah, the added punctuation is a real clincher) ..... and Rabbi Meir Kahane - a whack-job if there was one - was extolled and held up as some sort of remotely sane individual .... :rolleyes:

If one wished to get a possibly more balanced and perhaps somewhat more dispassionate view (I couldn't find any exclamation points at least) one could go to the following link below, and read about the situation from the viewpoint of a reasonably educated individual, Esam Shashaa, who lives in the UAE, but whose family was from Palestine:

FAQ about Palestine History

Unlike the site Pilgrim referenced, the author of the site above isn't hiding behind the anonymity of the web - he makes it abundantly clear who he is ..... (complete with a picture of himself)

Is he completely unbiased ? ..... I rather doubt ..... but then - who really is ?

Nor is he some sort of frothing-at the-mouth hate-monger (...... if you really wanna get an idea of where the site Pilgrim referenced is coming from, just go the main page - a little inspection there should tell ya what the dude who put that together is really all about :rolleyes:)
 
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greg334

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Hum...

The first stage was in 1948; they occupied 78% of the Arab-Palestinian lands and established their state, Israel.

So the blame sits with Israel and not the UN?

I would think that the Arabs who want to see this 'fixed' would actually blame the organization who was instrumental in the state of Israel's establishment, not just the state itself.

Or am I wrong?

I think with the UN's track record of how it has treated the subject and actually the people of Muslim faith, the Muslim world would be fighting them more than anyone else.
 

RLENT

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So the blame sits with Israel and not the UN? I would think that the Arabs who want to see this 'fixed' would actually blame the organization who was instrumental in the state of Israel's establishment, not just the state itself.
Some of them well may blame the UN ...... they certainly had a problem with the Brits over Balfour, among other things ...

Try to remember: The site I linked to undoubtedly reflects the opinion or viewpoint of one man (although others may share his views, to some greater or lesser extent)

It's also, I'm sure, not an attempt at a complete history of the factors leading up to the conflict, nor the conflict itself.

Or am I wrong?
No, not wrong ..... just overly simplistic ......

I think with the UN's track record of how it has treated the subject and actually the people of Muslim faith, the Muslim world would be fighting them more than anyone else.
By and large, I don't think it's been the UN that has emigrated to, occupied, and have engaged in war with, and been killing Palestinians ...... :rolleyes:
 

Pilgrim

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Retired Expediter
Well, it's certainly "easy to understand" ..... and as to the interesting aspect, .... yeah ... it's interesting alright ..... :rolleyes:

But any slight understanding that it might convey, certainly won't be anything approaching a complete or even a somewhat thorough understanding .... and decidedly not a balanced one ....... and will, in the final analysis, undoubtedly be a utterly flawed understanding ....

Of course, the site itself clearly has a huge pro-Zionist/Israel agenda ... I guess the tip offs were probably the fact that almost every other sentence ended with an exclaimation point (yeah, the added punctuation is a real clincher) ..... and Rabbi Meir Kahane - a whack-job if there was one - was extolled and held up as some sort of remotely sane individual .... :rolleyes:

If one wished to get a possibly more balanced and perhaps somewhat more dispassionate view (I couldn't find any exclamation points at least) one could go to the following link below, and read about the situation from the viewpoint of a reasonably educated individual, Esam Shashaa, who lives in the UAE, but whose family was from Palestine:

FAQ about Palestine History

Unlike the site Pilgrim referenced, the author of the site above isn't hiding behind the anonymity of the web - he makes it abundantly clear who he is ..... (complete with a picture of himself)

Is he completely unbiased ? ..... I rather doubt ..... but then - who really is ?

Nor is he some sort of frothing-at the-mouth hate-monger (...... if you really wanna get an idea of where the site Pilgrim referenced is coming from, just go the main page - a little inspection there should tell ya what the dude who put that together is really all about :rolleyes:)

Indeed, the website is a pro Israel site and promotes their viewpoint. Of the many sources available to offer I chose that one to counterbalance your pro Palestinian / pro Arab viewpoint. In spite your name calling and spewing prejudicial adjectives I don't see a single instance of refuting the points made. The main point that I wanted to make though is:

"From 1949-67 when all of Judea-Samaria [West Bank & Jerusalem] and Gaza ... were 100% under Arab [Jordanian & Egyptian] control, no effort was EVER made to create a second Palestinian State for the Arabs living there..."

And by the way - don't give me this sanctimonious crap about the Jewish site being hate filled. Maybe a visit to see some of your pals on the Hamas, Party of God, or PLO websites might offer another example of hate. Maybe if you're lucky you'll find a video of someone getting their head cut off or a family album of the most recent teenage suicide bombers. Try searching their archives and you might find the Palestinians celebrating in the streets hours after the 9/11 attacks. I'm sure there are other pro Palestinian sites as well if somebody wants to scour the web for them, but the point is easily understood.
 
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