The Trump Card...

[RLENT]

How about just waiting until he saw a deadly weapon in her hand first at least?

In a one-on-one situation ... possibly.

But there was an angry, violent mob right behind her ... so that's a completely different situation.

Alternatively:

How about just NOT insurrectioning and rioting ?

No evidence she was a domestic terrorist.

Incorrect ... possibly due to a lack of understanding of what the term actually means:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1420112085535526912

So basically: plenty of evidence.

 

[RLENT]

It would be just speculation.

Without any corroborating testimony from relatives, spouses, close friends, or findings from an ME as to cause of death yes, it would.

OTOH, looking at the typical suicide rate for officers in the force and if this represents a spike in that rate then it raises the question ... since there appears to be a correlation, with the event being a possible causation.

 

[muttly]

The justification for the use of deadly force under the law is a very specific thing and bears on the mindset of the officer involved.

The decision that it was justified was reviewed and upheld by those charged with reviewing the matter.

The mindset of the officer in the Babbitt case is one of panic. He didn’t assess competently the lack of an immediate threat to him.

 

[muttly]

In a one-on-one situation ... possibly.

But there was an angry, violent mob right behind her ... so that's a completely different situation.

Alternatively:

How about just NOT insurrectioning and rioting ?



Incorrect ... possibly due to a lack of understanding of what the term actually means:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1420112085535526912

So basically: plenty of evidence.

There is no evidence she physically assaulted anyone that day. She probably walked by multiples of officers, but didn’t assault any of them. Protesting in a building doesn’t necessarily make someone a domestic terrorist. She most likely wanted to enter that area just to continue her protest.

 

[RLENT]

The mindset of the officer in the Babbitt case is one of panic. He didn’t assess competently the lack of an immediate threat to him.

And I'd say he correctly assessed the presence of an immediate threat to both himself and others.

 

[muttly]

And I'd say he correctly assessed the presence of an immediate threat to both himself and others.

It didn’t rise to an immediate threat level yet due to the level of distance and that she didn’t have a weapon in her hand. Also, she didn’t take an aggressive action toward the officer. He panicked, and in other words he choked, and let a stressful situation affect his judgement in using deadly force much too quickly.

 

[danthewolf00]

So you can't complain about excessive deadly force on one set of cops who were trying to arrest a wanted man for felony assault. And then say the killing of a unarmed woman is ok.
Even the cop in Columbus, Ohio that shot the black girl that was going to stab another girl....was justified.....you shoot someone when they have a weapon in their hand and attempting to do bodily harm.....homicide is still murder.

 

[RLENT]

There is no evidence she physically assaulted anyone that day.

That's immaterial (to the matter of whether she's a domestic terrorist, which is what you seem to be replying to)

That you apparently don't recognize that it is, would seem to indicate a complete lack of understanding on the subject.

She probably walked by multiples of officers, but didn’t assault any of them.

So what ?

Protesting in a building doesn’t necessarily make someone a domestic terrorist.

Pretty sure no one ever said that it did.

But you already knew that.



And merely "protesting in a building" wasn't all that she - or the others that she was with - did that day now is it ?

She most likely wanted to enter that area just to continue her protest.

And her decision to do so cost her her life.

Given how it's all playing out do you think she'd want a "do-over" ?

 

[RLENT]

It didn’t rise to an immediate threat level yet due to the level of distance and that she didn’t have a weapon in her hand. Also, she didn’t take an aggressive action toward the officer. He panicked, and in other words he choked, and let a stressful situation affect his judgement in using deadly force much too quickly.

Yeah ?

Well, I'm inclined to think that most that make such comments as above would probably have whizzed themselves and crapped their drawers ... long before they had a violent, angry mob that they were facing down within a few feet of them.

 

[RLENT]

So you can't complain about excessive deadly force on one set of cops who were trying to arrest a wanted man for felony assault. And then say the killing of a unarmed woman is ok.

Depending on the exact circumstances in each instance, sure I can.

Even the cop in Columbus, Ohio that shot the black girl that was going to stab another girl....was justified.....you shoot someone when they have a weapon in their hand and attempting to do bodily harm.....homicide is still murder.

No, it isn't ... and continued assertions that it is murder is only a demonstration of ignorance.

Rags provided the link that covers how that is, but it's up to folks as to whether they educate themselves out of ignorance or not.

Continued assertions to the contrary will move those doing so from the category of merely ignorant to actually stupid.

Homicide can be murder ... but it isn't always murder.

 

[RLENT]

An event which is part of the evidence which DOJ is charging a multi-defendant conspiracy case on:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1480170771720941569

The charging docs (linked below) on one of the insurrectionists in that case also shows that he lied to FBI - multiple times - each of which is a separate crime in and of itself ... although that's probably the least of his worries at this point, since he wasn't charged on those ... at least not yet.



If he doesn't plead out and insists on going to trial. they should hit him with a superseding indictment and lay those on as well for clogging up the court system more than he system already has.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1395881/download

 

[danthewolf00]

Yeah ?

Well, I'm inclined to think that most that make such comments as above would probably have whizzed themselves and crapped their drawers ... long before they had a violent, angry mob that they were facing down within a few feet of them.

As a former bouncer in a college town angry mobs are nothing new.....

 

[Ragman]

No, it isn't ... and continued assertions that it is murder is only proof of ignorance.

Fixed it....

 

[RLENT]

Ray Epps finally has his own Snopes article:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1480593035792728068

 

[RLENT]

As a former bouncer in a college town angry mobs are nothing new.....

Tossing sloppy drunks isn't necessarily equivalent to facing down a violent, armed, and angry mob some of whom were bent on lynching and murder.

 

[RLENT]

No ruling yet in the Swalwell suit in the attempt to hold Trump accountable for January 6th under the Klu Klux Klan Act but Judge Mehta doesn't seem to think that the words "peacefully and patriotically" doesn't necessarily get Trump off the hook:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1480623675833470980

 

[danthewolf00]

Tossing sloppy drunks isn't necessarily equivalent to facing down a violent, armed, and angry mob some of whom were bent on lynching and murder.

Angry drunk frat boys are not fun.....even sober they are a pita.

 

[danthewolf00]

No ruling yet in the Swalwell suit in the attempt to hold Trump accountable for January 6th under the Klu Klux Klan Act but Judge Mehta doesn't seem to think that the words "peacefully and patriotically" doesn't necessarily get Trump off the hook:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1480623675833470980

He didn't say anything about going and breaking into the Capitol building nor did he say anything about going and trying to hang people......compared to some Democrat leadership. that wanted more people to burn buildings down.....

 

[danthewolf00]

And it's hard to have a president that's been blocked by Facebook and Twitter and mainly ignored by the mainstream media to tell people to calm down.....you can't have your cake and eat it too here....on this.

 

[danthewolf00]

I got to see this live on tv lol she might be called mrs giggles but she hates him.....