The Trump Card...

Turtle

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Does anyone know if the Republican party tries to block his nomination at the convention how would they be able to do this if Trump has the required delegates?
They could run around and knock the pencils out of everybody's hands as they're trying to vote, I guess.

If Trump has the required number of delegates (a simple majority, 1,237 delegates) the party elites cannot prevent him from becoming the party's nominee for president. At the convention he'd be nominated, and all of those 1,237 delegates are required to vote for him as the party's nominee to run for president. The delegates each candidate won during the primaries are legally bound to vote for that candidate at the convention. At least on the first round of balloting. (except for North Dakota, where the whole delegate process there is astonishingly incestuous and corrupt and nobody is legally bound to vote for anyone at the national convention)

However, if at the convention Trump doesn't have the majority of delegates, he obviously won't win it on the first round ballot, so there'd be a lot of political horsetrading before the second round of voting. In the second round, most if not all of those original delegates are released from their binding vote and they can then pick whatever candidate they want.

At this point, I think the Elites want both Rubio and Cruz to stay the course, and probably Kasich, too. They want to draw as many votes away from Trump as possible, to prevent him from getting the magic number of delegates.
 

RoadTime

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At this point, I think the Elites want both Rubio and Cruz to stay the course, and probably Kasich, too. They want to draw as many votes away from Trump as possible, to prevent him from getting the magic number of delegates.

And this is what I find most disheartening. What is to become of a party that's basically telling voters: your wrong, were right. Forget about all this anti-establishment stuff. We have your best interest at heart. Trust us.

If the establishment continues with its endeavor to prevent Trumps nomination.
They may very well be leading to their own demise.

Hell has no fury as a voter scorned.
 

Turtle

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If the establishment continues with its endeavor to prevent Trumps nomination.
They may very well be leading to their own demise.
I think that's exactly it. The Republican party is becoming younger and less "get off my lawn" inclined, and we may be witnessing the early stages of either the outright demise of the party, or at the very least a single-generational evolution (if not revolution). There are already people voting for Trump simply because the establishment Elites want Trump gone.
 

TDave

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Yeah I kinda figured if he has the required delegates then there was no way in heck to deny him. It still would be hard even if he only gets 900 (just picking a random number ). Just because he still garnished majority of the votes.
 

TDave

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Actually this election cycle is pretty interesting on the Republican side you have party elites going crazy and discussing open revolt against there presumptive nominee. On the democratic side you have the presumptive nominee may get an indictment and thus making the self proclaimed socialist the nominee for the Democratic party :D

Let the games begin!
 
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Unclebob

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Almost a quarter of a century and still no indictment. Either Hillary is innocent or the Republicans are incompetent. Or probably both.

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Hillary is not innocent, but a Democrat POTUS and his Atty Gen are not going to indict her. Sanders can't win a general election and they don't have anyone else in place. All their eggs are in Hillary's basket, and it's old, worn out and out of style.

She's one of the most incompetent and corrupt candidates ever to run for the office, and yet again the GOP is doing it's best to blow another golden opportunity to control both houses of Congress and the Oval Office. Their runaway front runner in the primary race was actually bragging about the size of his hands and his hammer during their nationally televised debate last night.:wtf: One can't help but wonder how long his voters will tolerate his high school attitude and lack of presidential presence.
 
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coalminer

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Trump is good friends with Vince McMahon there was a match years ago, Vince picked a wrestler and so did Donald, the one who picked the winner got to shave the head of the loser.


Can you imagine what the Donald would have looked like as a cue ball????
 

Turtle

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muttly

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Hillary is not innocent, but a Democrat POTUS and his Atty Gen are not going to indict her. Sanders can't win a general election and they don't have anyone else in place. All their eggs are in Hillary's basket, and it's old, worn out and out of style.

She's one of the most incompetent and corrupt candidates ever to run for the office, and yet again the GOP is doing it's best to blow another golden opportunity to control both houses of Congress and the Oval Office. Their runaway front runner in the primary race was actually bragging about the size of his hands and his hammer during their nationally televised debate last night.:wtf: One can't help but wonder how long his voters will tolerate his high school attitude and lack of presidential presence.
I think Biden is waiting in the wings if there is an indictment. Regarding the GOP, they created the atmosphere for a Trump to flourish by not adhering to conservative principles in congress. The golden opportunity would have been for them to coalesce around the most conservative candidate since Reagan: Ted Cruz. But they won't do it. They don't have it in them. So now they have to deal with someone like Trump instead. GOP, the stupid party.
 

muttly

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That also explains why Hillary, the original Obama Birther, is pandering with divisive rhetoric to keep that coalition together. Hillary is now his pander bear puppet.
 

Ragman

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That also explains why Hillary, the original Obama Birther, is pandering with divisive rhetoric to keep that coalition together. Hillary is now his pander bear puppet.
Agreed.

The question is, in my mind anyway, what do we, as a society do now?
 

Turtle

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Agreed.

The question is, in my mind anyway, what do we, as a society do now?
We move along, far less encumbered by the litmus test wills of evangelicals trying to dictate how we think, what we do and how we live. Republicans know they can't win a national election on Republican votes alone, they need Independents and at least some fiscally conservative Liberals to win. Traditionally, and it's still the case with the Elites in power, the tactic has been to win over (if not force) others to believe in the same list of social litmus tests required to be a Conservative. You must be against abortion, you must be against immigration amnesty, you must be pro-military unilateralism, you must be anti anything LGBTQ, you must support the War on Drugs, including harsh sentencing, and you must support and uphold "traditional values" (of Ward and June Cleaver of the 1950s).

But there are a lot of Conservatives who don't buy into the socially conservative litmus tests. These are the voters that the GOP desperately wants, but only on their terms, not the terms of the voters. These are the voters who, while not exactly straight-up liberal on social issues, don't tow the evangelical party line on them, either. These are the exact voters that Trump is gathering up, with many of them being evangelical Christians, which just chaps the butts of evangelical leaders. Trump's candidacy has brought to light the real distance between evangelical leaders and rank-and-file Christians similar to the one coming to light in the GOP.

Evangelical leaders are urging Christians to evaluate candidates using the Bible, but the rank and file Christians are using other criteria, such as seeking a candidate who will take the fight to ISIS instead of letting it come to us, who is against socialist liberalism, who is against the growing secularism among Americans, and who will fight the economic insecurity for the country and their families. The Public Religion Research Institute found that white, working-class evangelicals (what used to be the middle class) are more than twice as likely to support Trump than are evangelicals with a college degree.

One evangelical leader, John Stemberger, (head of the Florida Family Policy Council, an affiliate of Focus on the Family), said many Christians have changed, and for the worse. "The litmus tests that for so long defined the boundaries for morally acceptable candidates seem to have been abandoned by many Christians. Evangelical Christians are looking at those issues less and less. They've just become too worldly, letting anger and frustration control them, as opposed to trusting in God."

"Too worldly." Wow.

Look what trusting God has gotten the right wing religious conservatives. Obama. Eight years.

Follow, lead, or get out of the way. Right now, evangelical Christians are just in the way.

David Green (Hobby Lobby guy and all-around conservative hero) said, "I cannot ... understand why the faith world would come alongside someone that completely is different than what we would like our children to be,"

The answer to that for rank and file Christians is best summed up in a comment by the Reverend Carl Gallups, a Southern Baptist pastor from Milton, Florida, who gave the invocation at Trump's Pensacola rally last January, when he said, "If you are not thoroughly satisfied with what you might interpret the depth of his faith might be, then the next thing we must look at is the candidate who will best preserve your First Amendment rights and allow you to express your Christian faith. We're not electing a priest, a pope or a pastor. We're electing a president, a CEO, a commander in chief. I'm not perfectly happy with Donald Trump either, but I'm a realist."
 
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