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    Reasonable people can differ - and often do - on what a reasonable inference is.

    Ultimately, it's a question for a jury to decide.


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    Hit quote instead of edit.
     
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      Pile of circumstantial evidence of Trump Campaign collusion? That's rich.
       
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      I'm familiar with that one, too. 702 allows for the collection of foreign intelligence from non-Americans located outside the United States. 702 gives the intelligence community space to target foreign intelligence in ways that inherently and intentionally sweep in Americans’ communications, but the IC still does not have the right to that information or to use that information for anything without obtaining a court order.
       
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      Indeed it is ... that's at least partially why it's getting as much coverage as it is.

      Remember "No Russia ... No meetings ... I have nothing whatsoever to do with Russia" ?

      How's that workin' out ?






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      Section 702: What It Is & How It Works | Center for Democracy & Technology


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      It wasn't collusion with Russia to influence the election. Which was the original SP mandate. So process crime. All they got.
       
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      To prevent reasonable people from differing on what a reasonable inference is, there's actually a legal definition for "reasonable inference." It is a rule of logic (deductive reasoning) applied to evidence in a trial, in which a fact is "proved" by presenting other "facts" which lead to only one reasonable conclusion-that if A and B are true, then C is also true.

      It falls apart the minute you introduce an assumption that fills in the gaps. The gaps can only be filled in with facts devoid of assumption.
       
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      Always good to attack the credibility of the source rather than the substance or argument presented ...

      It often works too ... until someone gets curious and actually takes the time and makes the effort to see what someone is trying oh-so-hard to dissuade them from looking at ...




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      Didn't that IC leak (illegally) a transcript of the Flynn meeting gathered by surveillance?
      Talking to a Russian isn't a crime. But some in The New McCarthy Era want it to be.
       
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      ... that Flynn was ultimately charged with.

      Yes, that is correct.



      Now Mutt you know know better than that ... after all WHO WAS IT that was recently on here whining about how the SP's mandate was "overly broad" ?

      "UNFAIR !!!"



      No ... it's all Flynn was ultimately charged with ...

      Of course, COOPERATING WITNESSES get special treatment.





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      If one was leaked, I imagine that it was likely an individual act ...

      Talking to a Russian isn't a crime ... unless you're conspiring to break US law ...





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      If one was leaked? That's doubly rich.
       
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      Excellent example of making an assumption to fill in a gap. I didn't attack the credibility of the source at all. Lawfare is an exceedingly credible source. I can't for the life of me fathom how you could conclude that I attacked their credibility, other than having the need to make an assumption to use as a refutation. Just because they have a certain bias or tendency hardly renders them as being incredible. Far from it. All I did was offer context. Many of their articles are incredibly valuable and insightful. Even moreso when you know the context.

      While I do mostly agree with Glen Greenwald's characterization of Lawfare as having a "courtier Beltway mentality" devoted to "serving, venerating and justifying the acts of those in power," I also think that that's not necessarily, in and of itself, a bad thing. Despite the overall Swampy Bias, they are mostly fair and do not try to BS you with propaganda. While many of the articles are written by a cornucopia of law professors and other legal experts, it is edited and produced by former members of the Junior Bush and Obama administrations. Me attack their credibility? No sorry. They're about as credible as it gets.
       
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      I think some are hoping or even dreaming that talking to a Russian even now will get them Hillary or Bernie in the White House. Just not going to happen.
      Eventually I think they will come to like Trump verses the alternative. I even think they are slowly starting to realize it. I even seen today the Olympian that feuded with Pence walking it back and wanting to now talk to him. Just amazing. Imagine getting rid of Trump and having Pence. :p
      So today, we have tariffs and a meeting with North Korea. All I see is "winning" Even Stormy got shot down. lmao:D
      Running out of time and opportunity if seeking to get Trump out of office. He is even looking at 2020 Imagine that?
      Sure, one can disagree, but this is what I am seeing.
       
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      A lot of gnashing of the teeth from those that want him out of office.
      IMG_20180304_225004.jpg IMG_20180304_224954.jpg
       
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      Ok.




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      If you're trying to keep up, Faux Nuuz is not a good bet ... and accepting Princess Hawg-Poot's statements at the podium at face value isn't either:

      Opinion | Stormy Daniels beat Trump at his own game

      #releasethepics








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