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The Secret Service when Trump brings someone from the crowd up on stage.

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Turtle

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And that's a fact? Or your opinion ?
No, it's a fact. Shemp made his opinion pretty clear about Trump when Trump first declared his candidacy. And back when Fox News was about to implode on itself, and that whole Roger Ailes thing, it was clear (and widely reported and admitted) that much like the country, the on-air talent at Fox News was also sharply divided between Trump and anti-Trump people. Shepard Smith, Neil Cavuto, three-fifths of The Five, Chris Wallace, Bret Baier (and company), Rich Lowry, Brit Hume, Krauthammer, they all voiced their unambiguous dislike, distaste and disdain for Trump. And, of course, we all know how Megyn Kelly felt about Trump. She was the most outspoken, and took most of the attention away from the others, but Sheperd Smith was easily the second-most vocal anti-Trumper.

Here's a little blurb from December 8, 2015, long before the Primary season and right after the fourth Republican debate, when Trump was first talking the details of immigration and how he would like to handle the Islamic terrorists. Smith said during an interview segment with The Wall Street Journal’s John Bussey, where they both agreed with each other that Trump was deplorable, "Somebody needs to come up and remind him what this nation is and what we’re about and how we dream and the way we were founded and what our constitution is. He’s not representing any of that. He’s representing the worst, darkest part of all that is America."

The network largely followed an anti-Trump path through the winter and into the primary season, culminating with the also infamous Fox News debate on March 3, 2016 where the blatant attacks on Trump included ambush slides of statistics and edited videos, moderated by Megyn Kelly.

After that, Trump won the Michigan and Florida primaries, and Fox sensed he was in it for the long haul and might actually win the thing, so they changed their tune to the current friendlier attitude. Also, because they noticed the clearly deep partisan tact that CNN and the other cable networks were taking, asl well as the closeness of CNN and others to the DNC (some of which was being confirmed by Wikileaks), they decided to take a step back from agendized news led by the RNC's agenda, and just go with the reality of the situation. And in April, Megyn crawled back to Trump asking for forgiveness, and was rewarded with an interview that aired in May.

But ever since Shepard Smith first stated his disgust with Trump the first week after Trump announced his candidacy, the throngs have been calling for his head on a spike (the comments below the story at the link above make that pretty clear). There are several people at Fox who aren't fans of Trump, but they set their bias aside and just do the news without snarky editorial comment. They still criticize Trump, but generally stick to his policies and actions, rather than the hair-on-fire hysteria and demonization of the news outlets like CNN. Shep makes his snarky editorial comments a big part of his show, however. And as his ratings show, it's beginning to wear thin.
 
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And that's a fact? Or your opinion ?
No, it's a fact. Shemp made his opinion pretty clear about Trump when Trump first declared his candidacy. And back when Fox News was about to implode on itself, and that whole Roger Ailes thing, it was clear (and widely reported and admitted) that much like the country, the on-air talent at Fox News was also sharply divided between Trump and anti-Trump people. Shepard Smith, Neil Cavuto, three-fifths of The Five, Chris Wallace, Bret Baier (and company), Rich Lowry, Brit Hume, Krauthammer, they all voiced their unambiguous dislike, distaste and disdain for Trump. And, of course, we all know how Megyn Kelly felt about Trump. She was the most outspoken, and took most of the attention away from the others, but Sheperd Smith was easily the second-most vocal anti-Trumper.

Here's a little blurb from December 8, 2015, long before the Primary season and right after the fourth Republican debate, when Trump was first talking the details of immigration and how he would like to handle the Islamic terrorists. Smith said during an interview segment with The Wall Street Journal’s John Bussey, where they both agreed with each other that Trump was deplorable, "Somebody needs to come up and remind him what this nation is and what we’re about and how we dream and the way we were founded and what our constitution is. He’s not representing any of that. He’s representing the worst, darkest part of all that is America."

The network largely followed an anti-Trump path through the winter and into the primary season, culminating with the also infamous Fox News debate on March 3, 2016 where the blatant attacks on Trump included ambush slides of statistics and edited videos, moderated by Megyn Kelly.

After that, Trump won the Michigan and Florida primaries, and Fox sensed he was in it for the long haul and might actually win the thing, so they changed their tune to the current friendlier attitude. Also, because they noticed the clearly deep partisan tact that CNN and the other cable networks were taking, asl well as the closeness of CNN and others to the DNC (some of which was being confirmed by Wikileaks), they decided to take a step back from agendized news led by the RNC's agenda, and just go with the reality of the situation. And in April, Megyn crawled back to Trump asking for forgiveness, and was rewarded with an interview that aired in May.

But ever since Shepard Smith first stated his disgust with Trump the first week after Trump announced his candidacy, the throngs have been calling for his head on a spike (the comments below the story at the link above make that pretty clear). There are several people at Fox who aren't fans of Trump, but they set their bias aside and just do the news without snarky editorial comment. They still criticize Trump, but generally stick to his policies and actions, rather than the hair-on-fire hysteria and demonization of the news outlets like CNN. Shep makes his snarky editorial comments a big part of his show, however. And as his ratings show, it's beginning to wear thin.
But it's good to have discussion ....the fact they keep Juan around.. the token black guy so Kimberly can be snarky and throw spears at him .
 

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when Hannity feels its too hot....he ducks out under the cover with.." I am an entertainer not a journalist" and I guess makes it all ok again....what a azz clown....Howard Stern in drag he is...
 

OntarioVanMan

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I see Trump has just about announced his next campaign to be re elected....he has applied to extend fund raising going forward.....he didn't announce it...read between the lines...

While the next presidential election isn’t until 2020, Trump, upon taking office in January, filed campaign paperwork to allow continued fundraising well before he formally announces his intentions.
 

muttly

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when Hannity feels its too hot....he ducks out under the cover with.." I am an entertainer not a journalist" and I guess makes it all ok again....what a azz clown....Howard Stern in drag he is...
He's not a journalist and doesn't call himself one. His show is opinion based, much like a opinion columnist in a newspaper. Nothing drag(disguised)about him. He's admitted as much on air that he's very pro Trump.
 
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when Hannity feels its too hot....he ducks out under the cover with.." I am an entertainer not a journalist" and I guess makes it all ok again....what a azz clown....Howard Stern in drag he is...
He's not a journalist and doesn't call himself one. His show is opinion based, much like a opinion columnist in a newspaper. Nothing drag(disguised)about him. He's admitted as much on air that he's very pro Trump.
Exactly....But Shemp is not suppose to cross the line one way but Hannity can cross it the other way..and bail out with the i am not a journalist excuse?....yeah right...my butt cheeks are more fair and balanced...LOL
and the Kimberly placement at the table?....ask Turtle why shes is there and not Juan?.....;)
 

muttly

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And that's a fact? Or your opinion ?
No, it's a fact. Shemp made his opinion pretty clear about Trump when Trump first declared his candidacy. And back when Fox News was about to implode on itself, and that whole Roger Ailes thing, it was clear (and widely reported and admitted) that much like the country, the on-air talent at Fox News was also sharply divided between Trump and anti-Trump people. Shepard Smith, Neil Cavuto, three-fifths of The Five, Chris Wallace, Bret Baier (and company), Rich Lowry, Brit Hume, Krauthammer, they all voiced their unambiguous dislike, distaste and disdain for Trump. And, of course, we all know how Megyn Kelly felt about Trump. She was the most outspoken, and took most of the attention away from the others, but Sheperd Smith was easily the second-most vocal anti-Trumper.

Here's a little blurb from December 8, 2015, long before the Primary season and right after the fourth Republican debate, when Trump was first talking the details of immigration and how he would like to handle the Islamic terrorists. Smith said during an interview segment with The Wall Street Journal’s John Bussey, where they both agreed with each other that Trump was deplorable, "Somebody needs to come up and remind him what this nation is and what we’re about and how we dream and the way we were founded and what our constitution is. He’s not representing any of that. He’s representing the worst, darkest part of all that is America."

The network largely followed an anti-Trump path through the winter and into the primary season, culminating with the also infamous Fox News debate on March 3, 2016 where the blatant attacks on Trump included ambush slides of statistics and edited videos, moderated by Megyn Kelly.

After that, Trump won the Michigan and Florida primaries, and Fox sensed he was in it for the long haul and might actually win the thing, so they changed their tune to the current friendlier attitude. Also, because they noticed the clearly deep partisan tact that CNN and the other cable networks were taking, asl well as the closeness of CNN and others to the DNC (some of which was being confirmed by Wikileaks), they decided to take a step back from agendized news led by the RNC's agenda, and just go with the reality of the situation. And in April, Megyn crawled back to Trump asking for forgiveness, and was rewarded with an interview that aired in May.

But ever since Shepard Smith first stated his disgust with Trump the first week after Trump announced his candidacy, the throngs have been calling for his head on a spike (the comments below the story at the link above make that pretty clear). There are several people at Fox who aren't fans of Trump, but they set their bias aside and just do the news without snarky editorial comment. They still criticize Trump, but generally stick to his policies and actions, rather than the hair-on-fire hysteria and demonization of the news outlets like CNN. Shep makes his snarky editorial comments a big part of his show, however. And as his ratings show, it's beginning to wear thin.
But it's good to have discussion ....the fact they keep Juan around.. the token black guy so Kimberly can be snarky and throw spears at him .
Well, they brought back Bob Beckel. The token older white guy for that show, that Kimbery can snark at. :D
 

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And that's a fact? Or your opinion ?
No, it's a fact. Shemp made his opinion pretty clear about Trump when Trump first declared his candidacy. And back when Fox News was about to implode on itself, and that whole Roger Ailes thing, it was clear (and widely reported and admitted) that much like the country, the on-air talent at Fox News was also sharply divided between Trump and anti-Trump people. Shepard Smith, Neil Cavuto, three-fifths of The Five, Chris Wallace, Bret Baier (and company), Rich Lowry, Brit Hume, Krauthammer, they all voiced their unambiguous dislike, distaste and disdain for Trump. And, of course, we all know how Megyn Kelly felt about Trump. She was the most outspoken, and took most of the attention away from the others, but Sheperd Smith was easily the second-most vocal anti-Trumper.

Here's a little blurb from December 8, 2015, long before the Primary season and right after the fourth Republican debate, when Trump was first talking the details of immigration and how he would like to handle the Islamic terrorists. Smith said during an interview segment with The Wall Street Journal’s John Bussey, where they both agreed with each other that Trump was deplorable, "Somebody needs to come up and remind him what this nation is and what we’re about and how we dream and the way we were founded and what our constitution is. He’s not representing any of that. He’s representing the worst, darkest part of all that is America."

The network largely followed an anti-Trump path through the winter and into the primary season, culminating with the also infamous Fox News debate on March 3, 2016 where the blatant attacks on Trump included ambush slides of statistics and edited videos, moderated by Megyn Kelly.

After that, Trump won the Michigan and Florida primaries, and Fox sensed he was in it for the long haul and might actually win the thing, so they changed their tune to the current friendlier attitude. Also, because they noticed the clearly deep partisan tact that CNN and the other cable networks were taking, asl well as the closeness of CNN and others to the DNC (some of which was being confirmed by Wikileaks), they decided to take a step back from agendized news led by the RNC's agenda, and just go with the reality of the situation. And in April, Megyn crawled back to Trump asking for forgiveness, and was rewarded with an interview that aired in May.

But ever since Shepard Smith first stated his disgust with Trump the first week after Trump announced his candidacy, the throngs have been calling for his head on a spike (the comments below the story at the link above make that pretty clear). There are several people at Fox who aren't fans of Trump, but they set their bias aside and just do the news without snarky editorial comment. They still criticize Trump, but generally stick to his policies and actions, rather than the hair-on-fire hysteria and demonization of the news outlets like CNN. Shep makes his snarky editorial comments a big part of his show, however. And as his ratings show, it's beginning to wear thin.
But it's good to have discussion ....the fact they keep Juan around.. the token black guy so Kimberly can be snarky and throw spears at him .
Well, they brought back Bob Beckel. The token older white guy for that show, that Kimbery can snark at. :D
well thats 3 on 2 now....Juan being the token black guy! :p
 

muttly

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when Hannity feels its too hot....he ducks out under the cover with.." I am an entertainer not a journalist" and I guess makes it all ok again....what a azz clown....Howard Stern in drag he is...
He's not a journalist and doesn't call himself one. His show is opinion based, much like a opinion columnist in a newspaper. Nothing drag(disguised)about him. He's admitted as much on air that he's very pro Trump.
Exactly....But Shemp is not suppose to cross the line one way but Hannity can cross it the other way..and bail out with the i am not a journalist excuse?....yeah right...my butt cheeks are more fair and balanced...LOL
and the Kimberly placement at the table?....ask Turtle why shes is there and not Juan?.....;)
Shemp portrays his show as a news program. He calls himself a journalist. He reads the news, but also interjects his own commentary( soapbox) into the story. That's where he crosses the line. With Hannity, it's basically a soapbox show. His opinions, etc.
Are you against non journalists having a voice with a tv show or as a commentary columnist in a newspaper?
 

muttly

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No, it's a fact. Shemp made his opinion pretty clear about Trump when Trump first declared his candidacy. And back when Fox News was about to implode on itself, and that whole Roger Ailes thing, it was clear (and widely reported and admitted) that much like the country, the on-air talent at Fox News was also sharply divided between Trump and anti-Trump people. Shepard Smith, Neil Cavuto, three-fifths of The Five, Chris Wallace, Bret Baier (and company), Rich Lowry, Brit Hume, Krauthammer, they all voiced their unambiguous dislike, distaste and disdain for Trump. And, of course, we all know how Megyn Kelly felt about Trump. She was the most outspoken, and took most of the attention away from the others, but Sheperd Smith was easily the second-most vocal anti-Trumper.

Here's a little blurb from December 8, 2015, long before the Primary season and right after the fourth Republican debate, when Trump was first talking the details of immigration and how he would like to handle the Islamic terrorists. Smith said during an interview segment with The Wall Street Journal’s John Bussey, where they both agreed with each other that Trump was deplorable, "Somebody needs to come up and remind him what this nation is and what we’re about and how we dream and the way we were founded and what our constitution is. He’s not representing any of that. He’s representing the worst, darkest part of all that is America."

The network largely followed an anti-Trump path through the winter and into the primary season, culminating with the also infamous Fox News debate on March 3, 2016 where the blatant attacks on Trump included ambush slides of statistics and edited videos, moderated by Megyn Kelly.

After that, Trump won the Michigan and Florida primaries, and Fox sensed he was in it for the long haul and might actually win the thing, so they changed their tune to the current friendlier attitude. Also, because they noticed the clearly deep partisan tact that CNN and the other cable networks were taking, asl well as the closeness of CNN and others to the DNC (some of which was being confirmed by Wikileaks), they decided to take a step back from agendized news led by the RNC's agenda, and just go with the reality of the situation. And in April, Megyn crawled back to Trump asking for forgiveness, and was rewarded with an interview that aired in May.

But ever since Shepard Smith first stated his disgust with Trump the first week after Trump announced his candidacy, the throngs have been calling for his head on a spike (the comments below the story at the link above make that pretty clear). There are several people at Fox who aren't fans of Trump, but they set their bias aside and just do the news without snarky editorial comment. They still criticize Trump, but generally stick to his policies and actions, rather than the hair-on-fire hysteria and demonization of the news outlets like CNN. Shep makes his snarky editorial comments a big part of his show, however. And as his ratings show, it's beginning to wear thin.
But it's good to have discussion ....the fact they keep Juan around.. the token black guy so Kimberly can be snarky and throw spears at him .
Well, they brought back Bob Beckel. The token older white guy for that show, that Kimbery can snark at. :D
well thats 3 on 2 now....Juan being the token black guy! :p
No, it's usually 4 on 1. It's the 'token black guy' filling in for the 'token older white guy', but not both at the same time. :p
 
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when Hannity feels its too hot....he ducks out under the cover with.." I am an entertainer not a journalist" and I guess makes it all ok again....what a azz clown....Howard Stern in drag he is...
He's not a journalist and doesn't call himself one. His show is opinion based, much like a opinion columnist in a newspaper. Nothing drag(disguised)about him. He's admitted as much on air that he's very pro Trump.
Exactly....But Shemp is not suppose to cross the line one way but Hannity can cross it the other way..and bail out with the i am not a journalist excuse?....yeah right...my butt cheeks are more fair and balanced...LOL
and the Kimberly placement at the table?....ask Turtle why shes is there and not Juan?.....;)
Shemp portrays his show as a news program. He calls himself a journalist. He reads the news, but also interjects his own commentary( soapbox) into the story. That's where he crosses the line. With Hannity, it's basically a soapbox show. His opinions, etc.
Are you against non journalists having a voice with a tv show or as a commentary columnist in a newspaper?
oh no....I just don't like the sound of his voice...LOL its kind a whiny in nature, he'd make a great announcer on the Trump Entertainment Network..
 
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IF I were entitled to vote....I would have voted Trump..:) just for entertainment value and as Trump even said....after all that has gone on....what do you have to lose?.....
 
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Trump's campaign committee, the Republican National Committee and their two joint fundraising committees raised $13.5 million between Nov. 29 and Dec. 31, a year-end surge that reflected the excitement about Trump's victory. About half of that was paid out to to clear up all the campaign expenses, and he stated our Jan 1 debt free. Since Jan 1 the Trump campaign has raised more than $7 million. That figure easily passes the $5,000 threshold that requires filing an official statement of candidacy for the next election, whether you officially announce your candidacy or not. If you don't file that paperwork, you have to give the money back. So that's why he filed.

Another reason he filed so early (most incumbents file about a year and a half or so before the next election) is by doing so, he prevents special interest groups from creating 501(c) nonprofits which they could funnel money into for the purposes of opposing Trump's initiatives as president, this possibility affecting the outcome of the 2020 election. They're effectively muzzled until Trump officially announces he is a candidate.

As to Hannity, Shep and the others, one of the more significant problems with journalism today is the frequency and casualality that journalists inject their own personal, editorial opinions into news reports. It can be as subtle as just a one-word adjective used to characterize something. "Trump gave a shocking rebuke to Jim Acosta." Use the the word "shocking" is not news, it's opinion, and it's designed to tell the audience how they should feel about it.

These days, reporters aren't even trying to be so subtle about it. They give you the facts they want to give you, and then give you their opinion about it, shaping the way you're supposed to think about it. Opinion isn't news, and when it's presented as news, it's fake news.

Friday night Don Lemon, who continues to proclaim that he's a journalist, did a segment on the costs of protecting the President, First Lady, his adult children and everyone else as they go globe hopping, with the narrative he created as being excessive and ridiculous, something that probably should be investigated and reduced. Doing a story on the costs is fine, but characterizing it as either positive or negative goes straight into editorial opinion,i.e., fake news. When one of his paneled guests made that very comment, Lemon got his widdle feewings hurt, abruptly ended the segment, and walked off the set. Lots of YouTube videos on that little extravaganza.

Shepard Smith does the same thing while presenting the news, where he intermixes his opinion with the news.

Hannity, on the other hand, has never had a job in broadcasting that wasn't that of a talk show host. He's never been a journalist and had never claimed to be one. The problem of mixing news and opinion is you have people who think that because he's on Fox News that he is therefore a journalist. Anthony Bourdain is on CNN and no one mistakes him for a journalist. They mistake Don Lemon and Jake Tapper and Wolfe Blitzer and Chuck Todd for journalists, though. And isn't that funny.
 

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On a side note, somebody here has had their Green Card long enough. It's time to renounce the Queen and become an American. :D
 

Turtle

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On a side note, somebody here has had their Green Card long enough. It's time to renounce the Queen and become an American. :D
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Alex Trebek took that advice and became an American citizen in 1998.

Michael J. Fox in 1999
Jim Carrey in 2004
Pamela Anderson in 2004
Alanis Morrisette in 2005

Martin Short is a US citizen
Even Wayne Gretzky is a US citizen

Not really a Canadian, at all, but Mexican-born and former illegal alien Salma Hayek got legal, and later became a US citizen.
 
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