The Future of the Republican Party and USA

ATeam

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So as not to take the C19 Topics thread off topic, I'm sharing this comment here. Coalminer said:

And yes, you are right, the Republicans are going to take back THEIR country, by votes or bullets. I see it coming too.

While this is a talking-tough fantasy expressed by many, is it a realistic expectation?

With a like-minded President of the United states himself cheering his supporters on and rallying them with advanced notice, the closest they came to taking back their country was a few thousand of them storming the Capitol with ineffective results. The storm, disturbance, riot, insurrection, peaceful protest, innocent tourism, domestic terrorism event -- call it what you want -- failed. The election was not overturned. Pence was not hanged. Congress met that very night to successfully carry out it's constitutional duties.

Subsequently, hundreds of the stormers, rioters, insurrectionists, protesters, tourists, terrorists -- call them what you want -- have been charged. Some have been convicted and jailed, and more are on their way. Many of them scrambled to take down the social media posts once boldly shared. Their courage rapidly faded when the consequences of their threats and/or illegal acts became known. Some are now flipping on others. Some are blaming Trump for the predicament they now find themselves in.

It seems to me that if a taking back by bullets was destined to happen, the very best chance for that was when Trump was in office. But he is not in office and is highly unlikely to ever be again. Support for him is eroding in his base, not because of his politics, but because he is growing old, and his supporters know that. A Trump-Flynn ticket might address the Trump-age issue but there is no way such a radical ticket will prevail in a general election; even with the voter-suppression efforts now underway.

Trump is the past. DeSantis is gaining major ground on Trump as a possible primary candidate. But even if DeSantis gets elected president, he is not one to advocate the use of bullets so Republicans can take "THEIR" country back. Subject to checks and balances, DeSantis will represent the government and would likely call out the military to oppose an armed uprising against the government he himself is part of.

So with the constitution still in place, Trump fading, and a career-politician president DeSantis unwilling to encourage violence against the government, how will the takeover by bullets materialize?

Who exactly are the Republicans that will openly rise with weapons in hand, ready to shoot? And, realistically, what would actually happen to them if they do? It's not like their intended targets are without brains, money, guns and combat skills. And it's not likely these motivated Republicans would have a superior number of combatants.

In most if not all states, they are a distinct minority. In red states, they are greatly outnumbered and easily overwhelmed by their opponents who, if civil order broke down, would be free to rise up and return violence with violence with their overwhelming force of numbers. If these tough-talking Republicans actually rose up and actually caused a breakdown in civil order, how do you think those outnumebered idealists would fare when their targets shoot back?

Regarding Republicans taking "THEIR" country back by votes, did they not previously do that when Trump was first elected? For his first two years in office, Trump held the White House and Republicans held the U.S. House and U.S. Senate. In those years, did the country need taking back, or did the Republicans already have it?

If the Republicans take back "THEIR" country by votes once again by winning the White House, House and Senate, how would things be different than they were before, when the Republicans did that very thing?
 
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Thinking about this a bit more, this whole notion of Republicans taking "THEIR" country back is curious.

To those talking about taking their country back,
  • Who do you want to take it back from?
  • Who do you want to take it back for?
  • For what purpose do you want to take it back?
  • Do you not already have a country? If not, how did you lose it in the first place?
 
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More like patriots or citizens taking their country back.
Call them what you wish. I have the same questions:

  • Who do they want to take it back from?
  • Who do they want to take it back for?
  • For what purpose do you they want to take it back?
  • Do they not already have a country? If not, how did they lose it in the first place?
 

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I guess the thing that puzzles me the most about the idea of taking your country back is the underlying notion that you lost it in the first place.

I have never identified myself as a Democrat or Republican, but I have always identified as a citizen of the United States. Legally, because I was born in the USA, I'm a citizen. My citizenship is not something I earned. It's an accident of birth. It's a gift and a privilege.

I have never once feared losing my citizenship. I have never once feared losing my country. I have given years of my life (military service) to serve my country. I have always felt free to become involved in our nation's political processes and I have dedicated several full-time years to that as well.

It is especially confusing to me to see expediters talking about taking their country back. They too are citizens by birth are they not? As expediter entrepreneurs, they are embracing their freedoms more than many people do. By virtue of traveling in all states for years and years, expediters have a better sense of the country than most people do. And by virtue of earning a living on roads the government provides, in trucks made by others, powered by fuel they did not refine, and engaging in commerce made possible by the laws and monetary system that exist; expediters know better than most the supply chains and systems that make all this possible.

Every day, expediters contribute to and benefit from the system we call America. We are intimately connected to and part of everything that makes our country great. Yet some expediters talk about their country as if it is lost to them, as if it belongs to someone else, as if the greatness they help produce and benefit from every day is somehow lost to them.

If you believe you need to take your country back, I'd love to hear more about how you came to believe you lost it in the first place. That view seems like voluntary poverty to me. That's not voluntary poverty like a monk or priest takes on for virtuous reasons. It's a voluntary poverty that serves no good purpose, and leaves you feeling misery, resentment, and other emotions that reduce the quality and length of your life.

The truth is, you are richly blessed to be a self-employed expediter. You participate fully in the opportunities America offers. You are free to better yourself at every turn. You are free to travel, pursue business opportunities, express yourself and vote at will.

If you believe you need to take your country back, at what point did you lose it? At what point did your country become yours no more? How is it that, even as you fully participate in everything that makes America America, you feel America is lost to you.
 
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If you want to Federally Faceplant why then Mollie's your girl.

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Remind us all again:

Who was it the guy wearing the "Camp Auschwitz" shirt was there to support ?
Please remind us what percentage of the 10’s of thousands of people there that day wore that shirt?
 

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Please remind us what percentage of the 10’s of thousands of people there that day wore that shirt?

Let me see if I have this correct:

You're now saying there were "10’s of thousands of people" there that day at the riot ?
 

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Let me see if I have this correct:

You're now saying there were "10’s of thousands of people" there that day at the riot ?
No not just at the capitol. Total from the speech as well. What percentage wore that shirt? I’ll wait.
 
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More like patriots or citizens taking their country back.

Call them what you wish. I have the same questions:

  • Who do they want to take it back from?
  • Who do they want to take it back for?
  • For what purpose do you they want to take it back?
  • Do they not already have a country? If not, how did they lose it in the first place?
First of all, the country hasn't been taken, but in the minds of many conservatives it's slipping away. Books have been written about the above bullet points, but here are a few simple answers that can be offered for consideration:
  • They want to take control back from socialist Democrat politicians and liberal media moguls. Consider crime, drugs, our pathetic public schools, misguided economic policies (inflation, jobs), our open southern borders where hoards of criminals and tons of Chinese-made fentanyl pour across unencumbered every day. Much of this is silenced or ignored by the mainstream media and social media moguls who operate as de facto publishers of carefully controlled information. And let's not forget the degenerative woke social norms that are starting to infect our culture: eg, how many sexes are there now?
  • Themselves their children and future generations, obviously.
  • Here's a blinding glimpse of the obvious - to improve and restore the quality of life that makes the USA unique.
  • Yes, we already have a country and the rest of the world wants to come here, uninvited and unencumbered. However, we're not the world's homeless shelter.
The patriots and citizens to whom LDB referred will have their say at their ballot boxes in nine months. We'll see how that turns out.
 

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No not just at the capitol. Total from the speech as well. What percentage wore that shirt?

Impossible to know.

Regardless, we know that the simple fact of not wearing that shirt doesn't preclude folks from being violent insurrectionists and domestic terrorists who wanted to commit harm to our elected officials.

I’ll wait.

And probably for a very, very long time.

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Impossible to know.

Regardless, we know that the simple fact of not wearing that shirt doesn't preclude folks from being violent insurrectionists and domestic terrorists who wanted to commit harm to our elected officials.



And probably for a very, very long time.

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Then why did you bring it up like it’s a thing? Got it. Sounds like you got covered both ways.
 

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Then why did you bring it up like it’s a thing? Got it.

It's simply an indication of the types of supporters your Orange Boy attracts ... along with the other avowed racists, religious bigots, nationalist white supremacists, domestic terrorists, assorted incels, and other poorly educated riffraff.

You attempted to red herring the conversation and deflect by asking how many of his supporter wore such a shirt.

It's irrelevant.

Sounds like you got covered both ways.

In spades ...

:tearsofjoy:
 
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It's simply an indication of the types of supporters your Orange Boy attracts ... along with the other avowed racists, religious bigots, nationalist white supremacists, domestic terrorists, assorted incels, and other poorly educated riffraff.

You attempted to red herring the conversation and deflect by asking how many of his supporter wore such a shirt.

It's irrelevant.



In spades ...

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By one t shirt. Lol
Mollie was right.
 
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