The Constitution Dies - To Thunderous Applause

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
And barry and his minions look to step on the Constitution just a bit more each day, day in and day out.....

The Constitution Dies - To Thunderous Applause
Posted by Karl Denninger
Sunday, April 5. 2009 13:20

Gee, you folks who thought Obama was the be-all and end-all to "solve" violations of The Constitution under President Bush:

Will bill give Obama control of Internet?

A pair of bills introduced in the U.S. Senate would grant the White House sweeping new powers to access private online data, regulate the cybersecurity industry and even shut down Internet traffic during a declared "cyber emergency."

Senate bills No. 773 and 778, introduced by Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.V., are both part of what's being called the Cybersecurity Act of 2009, which would create a new Office of the National Cybersecurity Advisor, reportable directly to the president and charged with defending the country from cyber attack
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This sounds reasonable, at first blush.

But I've read the actual draft bill

(you can read it here http://cdt.org/security/CYBERSEC4.pdf )

that allegedly was proffered, and while most of the time what is published on WND is about as diametrically opposed politically to my views, this isn't one of those times.

On page 21 and 22 it is established not only certification of "security professionals" in the computer field but mandatory licensing for anyone performing compute security services not only to the government but also to any "critical infrastructure system or network."

This would immediately make part of what I do - selling spam-interdiction software to state and local public safety organizations such as police departments - unlawful unless I went through whatever "process" the government sets forth.

Got that? As a guy who has been writing spam filtering software for more than a decade, as the guy who first offered it to his ISP customers back in the 1990s as part of our service to every user, what I did in the 1990s would be made illegal (since we had literally thousands of accounts billed to a government agency of one form or another) and my provision and support of that software ("Spamblock-Sys") would be unlawful going forward unless I submitted to whatever licensing criteria the government set forth in the future.

Might I be willing to submit to that? Maybe. Will it dramatically increase the cost of that software? Absolutely. Who's going to pay for it? You are, in higher taxes.

Second, page 40 has some truly frightening implications, among them granting The Department of Commerce plenary authority to invade networks and access the data therein irrespective of Constitutional or legal restrictions against that action.

Finally, there is a provision within this draft allowing The President to order disconnection of any "critically important" infrastructure - but it does not define what that is, once again, granting effective plenary authority to The President to silence communications irrespective of Constitutional protections regarding Free Speech.

First Amendment?
What First Amendment?

The First Amendment is first for a reason - without Freedom of The Press, which happens to fundamentally include the right to freely communicate between ourselves, there is no means by which corruption and evil can be effectively exposed.

The Second Amendment is second for a reason - if The First Amendment falls, you're going to need The Second Amendment, and fast.

I wonder if we'll defend the Second Amendment as citizens of The United States if we won't defend The First!
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Hidden in the bowels of the UN is some group who wants to regulate the internet across the world.

I say vote them out.
 

chefdennis

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Gee Greg when you speak like that it appears that you believe in:

The royal institute of affairs

The Council of Foreign Relations

The Elders of Zion Theroy

The trilateral Commission

Henry Kissenger / NWO

Skull and Bones

Cecil Rhodes

The Bilerberg Group

The empire theroy and the EU & the USA

World Trade Org

Freemasonry

Illuminati

Maybe even REX 84.............

Oh and they are in no particular order, just as they came off my head...


:D
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Freightchaser wrote:

W was certainly a great defender of our Constitution, right?

"well welll welll, BUSH did it TOO!! So so so just forget it , barry can do it too!!!

LOL, when you all going to get it, bush is gone, YOU WON, now take responsiblity for your guy!! Yes too many presidents in both parties stepped on the Constitution when it benefited them...but barry as moved to destory the Constitution, Bill of Right, Declaration of Independence at break neck speed, in more areas then any president before him. He has said from his own writings in his books (well billayers writings really) that the Constitution was flawed and outdated and in need of an overhaul (to paraphase) and he has done his utmost to strample all over it faster then any president before him, and he osn't even tryong to hide it (that much i'll give him credit for) He has started his plan to dismantle our republic and replace it with his fascism ideas..............
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Going back to Lincoln, there has been no president who actually defended the constitution.

BUT for those who want to cry about Bush and the loss of rights, Bush didn't do a thing that Carter didn't do and the worst one of all was Wilson, who seems to be a lot like Obama - an elitist.
 

Turtle

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The bill, even the questionable parts, would be fine if it weren't for two things. One, it will be abused, absolutely. Two, there is a serious security problem with the Internet and its infrastructure, and it needs to be fixed, but when was the last time the government's involvement in the private sector actually improved something?

There are a lot of good things in the bill, including setting security standards for infrastructure and software, and in ensuring that people are certified to do the work, but the proposed overly broad powers and the wide-open definitions of what constitutes "critical systems" makes it very unlikely that this bill would get out committee in tact.

The bill actually expressly forbids the president from writing up an executive order or other determination to decide what is a critical system, but at the end of the bill it defines the critical infrastructure to be whatever the president determines it to be. Too funny.

The document that explains the bill is actually excellent (with one glaring exception that Washington can't seem to let go of), but the bill itself doesn't actually do what the document says it will. The bill goes too far.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Turtle wrote:

The bill goes too far.

And as you said, it will bw abused...And not just by this adminastration, although it will be used to their advantage long before another admin gets its hands in the mix, but barry and his minions just continue to violate the law and constitution and being overly vague and using board definitions is how they are doing business............
 

greg334

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Turtle,
I don't know if any government involvement would be a prudent thing at this point, the holes in the infrastructure have been known for a long time and so has been the risk of hacking from the outside of many of the systems. Companies don't want to spend the money securing their data and it would be a better run to make them accountable for personal data lost than to have another large money pit.

We already have seen that government involvement runs a muck when they try to legislate solutions. HIPAA is one example that was politically changed from the original intent, it now holds little in accountability and security because of the comprimises made to get everyone happy with it.
 

letzrockexpress

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Turtle,
We already have seen that government involvement runs a muck when they try to legislate solutions. HIPAA is one example that was politically changed from the original intent, it now holds little in accountability and security because of the comprimises made to get everyone happy with it.

You mean the same HIPAA that was originally introduced by Ted Kennedy to make health Insurance Portable? The legislation that was revised and revised by the then republican majority in Congress? That HIPAA?
 

Turtle

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We already have seen that government involvement runs a muck when they try to legislate solutions. HIPAA is one example that was politically changed from the original intent, it now holds little in accountability and security because of the comprimises made to get everyone happy with it.
That's the problem with trying to legislate solutions to the Internet. You have to legislate technologies very specifically, but by the time they're in place, they're obsolete. This Bill tries to account for that, in the defining of broad powers and even broader definitions of what is and is not critical, but the fact that things are so broad makes the temptation for abuse to easy to fall for.

There absolutely needs to be infrastrure standards in place, so as to protect commerce and (what has become) basic communications here and around the globe. The Internet is based on the infrastructure of Usenet, and Usenet was invented to carry perhaps one or two short text messages per day. It's been playing catch-up ever since that third unexpected message was sent. Everything that has been done since then to expand capability and security has all been right on top of something that wasn't designed to do what it's being asked to do.

Internet2 (formerly UCAID, headquartered in Ann Arbor, actually) addresses most of the problems head on, and does so wonderfully, but that's going to take time. It's already in place in some of the more critical and broadband intensive systems, but it will take a long time for it to go widespread.

In the meantime, Web 2.0 (which is way different from Internet2) should be allowed to continue on its path of patching the holes in the current infrastructure, leaving the government out of it.
 

greg334

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Turtle,
One of the issues that I see working with in a multinational company is that we can only do so much in respect of our security. The problem sits allowing other countries access to key data, where there is little security is used on the other end. India is a good example, the connection itself is secure but they lack access control at their end and this allows one opening to be used. We allow contracting companies access for our personal data, even have some doctors who virtually diagnose patients through the internet.

As for HIPAA, it wasn't the republicans who gutted the thing, it was the democrats who ignored the suggestions in committee by the insurance and medical companies. There were some compromises made on the floor of the congress but it came away with it being an ineffective piece of garbage.
 

Turtle

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The problem sits allowing other countries access to key data, where there is little security is used on the other end.
That's the biggest problem right there, where the emphasis of the bill and of too many people are on the end-to-end and server access security, but in large part, it is even more fundamental than that. It's in the basic peering infrastructure that determines routes for data packets, and thus what can constitute a "critical system". There are plenty of scenarios where any and all international traffic that touches North America can be considered as a "critical system", and thus the entire Internet domestically, every connection, would be at risk for being designated a "critical system".

Everything is based on what is called the Border Gateway Protocol (BGP), which is based on trust. It advertises correct routes, the best routes, and which routes are bad. All the "root servers" takes this information, propagate it, and then acts accordingly. An Internet OFF switch in the White House will not stop this kind of attack because, for all intents and purposes, the Internet will have already been shut down.

For example, about a year ago the government of Pakistan decreed that all traffic to Youtube must be blocked in Pakistan because Youtube contains evil blasphemous content. A Pakistani ISP, PieNet, then started redirecting and filtering routes to and from Youtube, in effect (and unintentionally) annoucing to other servers the best routes to Youtube. (It's a larger scale version of redirecting SPAM sites to 120.0.0.1 in your HOSTS file, or example.) Misinformation, which works on the local level, but has serious ramifications elsewhere. They rerouted all of Youtube's IPS's to a site they felt was more appropriate. Other root servers pick up on this and likewise redirect their routes, worldwide, because the root servers have been told the best route to Youtube is through Pakistan.

The initial impact was that Youtube disappeared from the Net for about an hour, followed quickly by Pakistan's Internet access crawling to a speedy halt as they were now handling all traffic for one of the busiest sites in the world. Traffic that is good for one popular site must therefor be good for others, and soon millions of other unrelated sites had their routes be redirected through Pakistan.

PCCW, the telecom that carries most of Pakistan's traffic, was finally forced to shut off Pakistan from the net for several hours while it filtered out the malicious routes. In the meantime, nearly all traffic worldwide for Youtube, as well as a rapidly growing number of non-Youtube sites, was trying to be forced through Pakistan, and Pakistan was simply dropping the packets. The Internet was literally on a Superhighway to nowhere.

The Internet was within hours of collapsing under its own weight, and would have been down for at least 24 hours before everything was back up and running normally. (IIRC, there was also problems with some people accessing EO at that time for a bit, as well as many other sites around the world. The net was just acting "weird" for a lot of people.)

And that was due to an accident. And it was on just one BGP server with an AS number (autonomous system number that identifies the routes to other EIGRP routers). Imagine a coordinated attack on a few dozen AS servers. None would have to be within the United States for it to happen. An Internet kill switch in the White House would have no effect, as it would be designed with security in mind, to thwart an attack on a critical system, like a hack into the banking system or something.

This "vulnerability" has been known since the inception of the third Usenet server, and it was put there on purpose. It's how the Internet works to self-regulate the flow of traffic. When servers and routers become overloaded and malfunction or fail due to hardware issues, the routing of traffic to to better routes is automatic. But it's all based on trust of the BGP. Unless or until the fundamental infrastructure of the Internet is rewritten from scratch, nothing will change, and no amount of Band-Aid legislation will fix it.

Here's a good illustration of just a single EIGRP server (the BCIX route server) and how propagation occurs. The illustration shows just the tiniest piece of the net, a microscopic snapshot of the Web, a single route server. Keep in mind that there are thousands of these servers, all of them interconnected, all answering to each other at the speed of light (or really close to it), and each one of these servers deal with thousands of ISP routers and end user networks, literally billions of IP addresses worth of traffic, all needing to be routed, all accepting marching orders from the EIGRP servers using the Gateway Border Protocol.
 

Turtle

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And here you have it...

Electricity Grid in U.S. Penetrated By Spies - WSJ.com

The week before a review is due looking into whether or not they should increase the flow from the money pump, "current and former national-security officials" have come forward to draw alarming attention to a network of spies in the power grid. How conveeeeenient.
 
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