Got that one by me Rocket. Do I take it you think that OUR King will ruin everything, or, what?
I'm not sure what you mean by fairly young nation but we have the second oldest constitution in the world behind Switzerland...I didn't relate this to europe but scandinavia. Don't matter though. The US is a fairly young country in the history of the world. But never mind that.
Your current govt is headed towards granting all those illegals some form of amnesty and/or citizenship. If that happens, that 10 million (number open to dispute, depends on what number you think is right) will vote for the ones giving them rights. Further they'll all need some form of health care support. Hence another large voting block for the public option.
It isn't super bad? The welfare rolls in your cold and annoying ,though mineral rich country are staggering! The social programs Canada offers with it's nipple mentality has created nothing less than a bunch of lazy system suckers. According to the Frasure Institute, The welfare percentage for single parent households in 2007 was 55.8%! for unattached men it was 38.3 % and unattached women was 46.9%!! That's not crazy, that is insane! Add to that only about 20% of Candians bother to get educated beyond high school..I guess when you can suckle off the system , why bother?So we know this is happening, but from a perspective of being in a country where the public option was exercised years ago it really isn't super bad. No it ain't perfect. But then again what govt run anything is perfect?
BTW the drug prices are for all even those new under patent protection not just generics. Now I'm sure we can go through a big list of prices and we'll find some higher and lower on both sides of the border, but overall we enjoy a bit lower pricing.
I know accepting something this huge the govt is forcing on everyone is a big pill and probably a lot more public debate was warranted and such. But we are aware the biggest opponents are the drug and insurance companies as they see a loss of business and a possible mandating of pricing (good possibility of this). The medical industry is also against this again due to the more than likely price fixing.
While many do not want this there are more and more Americans finding themselves on the short end of the stick with their current insurance coverage for one reason or another. Many corporations are finding the medical coverage getting too expensive and opting for lower priced plans (same price less coverage?) leaving their employees with less coverage than previous years. Is this good or bad? For you the end user this is bad. For us o/o we have some avenues to explore with joining associations etc through which we can exercise that membership to our advantage for getting some sort of a deal. But for many this is not an option.
Rob
WOW Rocket!! I agree with everything you wrote in that last post!! This has been happening more and more lately!! It my be a trend!! In reality we often say the same thing just in different ways, like good cop, bad cop.
I tend to be MORE than a bit blunt. Some times it is called RANTING. So be it. Let's make one thing clear, I am NOT opposed to a minor reform to health care. It MUST be based on reality, not fear tactics. It MUST include TORT REFORM or it is NOT reform. I MUST include little or NO government money. Government is corrupt by nature and wasteful by choice.
The idea is to make it less oppressive for people to provide for their OWN care. That can be done with just a FEW minor changes to mainly STATE laws. The Federal Government has little authority to dictate ANYTHING.
The bills being considered will destroy our freedoms. Mark my word, they will use this so called "health care reform" to outlaw many things and to control your everyday actions. All in the name "saving health care dollars".
I have a BCBS policy that costs quite a bit and has huge deductibles however if I needed a transplant or had cancer it would save me a lot. It does basically nothing for day to day or moderate illness. I am against the entire plan, not just the public option.
I am against the government reaching into your pocket to pay for anything for me.
I am against the government reaching into my pocket to pay for anything for you.
Any benefits to one individual from another individual should be voluntary through contributions to churches and other similar organizations that are more honest and more capable than government ever has been or ever will be.
I am against the government running any program dealing with anything since they are the most inept and most corrupt of anyone as well as being overloaded with lawyers. Look at how close to 100% the damocrats are to being lawyers.
Ummm ... Right ...
OK it may pass through the process of reconciliation with the house bill but it is a long way from being passed and then there is a serious question of constitutionality, there is a serious question of who's right it is to regulate health care contracts between the patient and the provider(s), which also means how are they going to handle the Roe v. wade question of privacy, seeing that part of the bill also regulates health care based on life style, age and other factors that are not within the realm of public's right to know - hence the government's right to know.
If this does pass, then there is a serious question for those abortion rights people that there is an overturning of Roe v. Wade due to the need for a goverment option or any federal regulations within the frame work of any reform. In other words this can nullify Roe v. Wade if it is forced on us.
Then we get Rob's point of view, which I understand where he is coming from completely. But there is a slight correction that needs to be made, our country is older than France and Germany. Their goverments ceased to exist a while ago and they went from monarcies to a near democracy (well france is supposed to be a republic but who knows what they was, I think they had 120 governments since their revolution).