Sign of the times

layoutshooter

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Just got our tax assessment on our house in S.E. Michigan. The assessed value DROPPED by $7800. Who knows just how much the real value has gone down. It is so great to know that I have wasted all this time and money just to go further in the hole. Bet I don't get a "bail out". OH NO, I just have to bail out big business and bums. Oh what a fool I have been for believing in self-reliance and hard work.
 

chefdennis

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Well since you are a man of your word, i am sure if you haven't already you will continue to make your payments and pay it off even as the value goes down...more and more people aren't doing that, when they find they are in a position that is like yours, they are simply mailing the keys to the bank and walking away....
 

layoutshooter

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Yep, I still adhere to my beliefs. It is amazing, what a waste of a life. Work my butt off supporting bums and malcontents and now, as I am getting older, all I have worked for is gone. The bums, malcontents and politicians have it all. And King Putz the 1st wants me to pay for MORE garbage for lazy people who won't pay for their own lives.
 

Poorboy

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Well since you are a man of your word, i am sure if you haven't already you will continue to make your payments and pay it off even as the value goes down...more and more people aren't doing that, when they find they are in a position that is like yours, they are simply mailing the keys to the bank and walking away....

So far I know of (2) people in my Neighborhood who Have done that and I have "Heard" of a Couple more who are Giving it some Serious Thought! Wonder what would Happen if Everyone just walked away? What would it do to the Banking System and The Feds?
 

layoutshooter

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In reality? If everyone stuck it to the banks and the government they would be getting what they deserve. Man, if we stopped paying taxes bums, lazy people and malcontents would have to work and pay their own way or die. Either of those choices works for me.
 

Poorboy

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In reality? If everyone stuck it to the banks and the government they would be getting what they deserve. Man, if we stopped paying taxes bums, lazy people and malcontents would have to work and pay their own way or die. Either of those choices works for me.

I was Just Refering to the Housing Market, But Stopping the Taxes or Food Trough for these People Sound good too!
 

greg334

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Layout, I am not directing this to you at all but I am so F******* sick and tired of the crying and BS over this.

BFD housing values went down, they are not investment vehicles like stocks or bond but they are shelter and living isn't free.

This is the fifth or sixth time that housing values went down by a large percentage and the government didn't step in and help those other 5 times, so why now?

The real issue for many of us who are trying to deal with banks and see no end to some of this crap is the fact that if I took an unconventional mortgage, then I would get help. But because I did things right, I can't take advantage of anything short of foreclosure if I wanted to refinance. It is a screwed up system because of the options given to people, and as it was pointed out the other day so many idiots and dumb people have been sold on the idea of owning a home while they are incapable of actually "owning" a home that the home's value is lost within the first few years. Maybe we need to go back to the 1950's on banking and mortgage laws where people had to prove they were capable of just more than paying an interest only loan.
 

layoutshooter

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Layout, I am not directing this to you at all but I am so F******* sick and tired of the crying and BS over this.

BFD housing values went down, they are not investment vehicles like stocks or bond but they are shelter and living isn't free.

This is the fifth or sixth time that housing values went down by a large percentage and the government didn't step in and help those other 5 times, so why now?

The real issue for many of us who are trying to deal with banks and see no end to some of this crap is the fact that if I took an unconventional mortgage, then I would get help. But because I did things right, I can't take advantage of anything short of foreclosure if I wanted to refinance. It is a screwed up system because of the options given to people, and as it was pointed out the other day so many idiots and dumb people have been sold on the idea of owning a home while they are incapable of actually "owning" a home that the home's value is lost within the first few years. Maybe we need to go back to the 1950's on banking and mortgage laws where people had to prove they were capable of just more than paying an interest only loan.

I know Greg, but, why am I supporting AIG, GM, and Welfare bums? I COULD be using that money to cover MY loses. My wife and I are FAR more important to me than they are. My responsibility is to mine and ours not to others. I earn the money, it should be mine to use.

You and I both know that this housing problem was engineered by the government to cause this. You and I both are being ripped off.
 

greg334

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Yea I know I am being ripped off, you don't have to deal with Wayne county and the added hidden taxes to support Detroit.

FairTax By the way, become a fan of it.

See the real issue here is not the value of the house but the access to those who never should own a home. It sounds cruel in many ways but people have their priorities really screwed up and never should have been allowed to own a home in the first place - we are now paying for it and it will get much much worst in the next year.

I am surprised though, that we haven't had a melt down yet. No one seems to figure out what's going on here with our economy and I myself have been really worried about 2011. Maybe it is the calm before the election storm?
 

layoutshooter

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We bought this house on my income alone, did not include my wife's. We got it under market and paid ahead on it. Now we are upside down. I understand markets etc. I don't believe that we are in a free market any longer. I believe that is why we are in this mess and those of us who earn our living are the ones taking it in the shorts.

I too am worried about a real meltdown. I think we are headed for it.
 

letzrockexpress

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Nothing is an investment unless you plan to sell it or benefit from it in some way. Maslow defined the first level of motivation to be Food, Water and shelter. Your home provides you shelter. You benefitted and still are benefitting from it. Somewhere along the line it became customary and widely accepted that a home is a good investment, meaning if you purchase your home, not only will you have a place to live, but you will accrew equity. For many years this worked out for people as the economy grew. The cold hard truth is, as most financial investments are, that they are a gamble. The reality is that if you want to make money in Real Estate, use the wise old philosophy of "buy low, sell high". Otherwise accept the volatilty of the market, sell your house and put the money in the bank..You'll likely be farther ahead.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Thanks to the banks and Aig real estate values were way over priced....

Those crooks did more to this country then just the market...

The building boom because people who shouldn't have been able to buy could created more jobs in construction inflating those numbers, Construction material makers had a boom to keep up, Household good also seen a boom everything from wood to drywall to paint and landscaping....all because of a false and illegal mortgage market....
Now the whole country is in shambles because of them...
 

chefdennis

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Letzrock wrote:

The cold hard truth is, as most financial investments are, that they are a gamble.

That is a very true statement...just as retirement and pension funds are a "investment and a gamble"....when you allow your employer to fund your retirement along with any money you add to it, you are allowing them to "Gamble" with your retirement...as the old song goes, " Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose...goodtime charlies got the blues!!" and alot of union people and regular Joes that worked all their lives foguring they had a pension to retire to are facing the hard reality of have nothing or considerably less then they figured....It was a investment and a "GAMBLE".......
 

chefdennis

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The fed gov forced most banks to make loans that people should have never been able to get...Acorn and barry and his "community organizers" force the race issue and the Fed (FANNIE & FREDDIE) mandated that the banks make loans that inflated prices and included money for the down payment in most cases!! They were loaning 110-125% of the appraised value...and those appraisals were inflated to begin with!!!

The Fed started this and forced the banks to abide with the threats of regulation and audit and any other heavy handed tools the fed could threaten them with......Then the banks found ways to make money by selling the "bundles" on the secondary market...that part is all on the bankers...but you have to go to the FED for the start of the problem.....
 

layoutshooter

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Nothing is an investment unless you plan to sell it or benefit from it in some way. Maslow defined the first level of motivation to be Food, Water and shelter. Your home provides you shelter. You benefitted and still are benefitting from it. Somewhere along the line it became customary and widely accepted that a home is a good investment, meaning if you purchase your home, not only will you have a place to live, but you will accrew equity. For many years this worked out for people as the economy grew. The cold hard truth is, as most financial investments are, that they are a gamble. The reality is that if you want to make money in Real Estate, use the wise old philosophy of "buy low, sell high". Otherwise accept the volatilty of the market, sell your house and put the money in the bank..You'll likely be farther ahead.


I DID buy low. I bought a house that appraised at $165,00 for $115,000. I had paid it down in 6 years to 100. Now, even if I could sell it, I would be lucky to get 60.

This is due to stupidity at Fredie and Fanny. The Feds have NO business in the housing market. Then forcing the banks to sell sub-prime in certain areas made it worse and it finally just collapsed.

I want bailed out. I have been bailing out big business and welfare bums my entire life. I used to get soooo mad when a welfare ranger would by steak on food stamps and I could barely afford hamburger. The hell with them.

I don't need lectured on markets. I know how they should work. They cannot any longer do to the Feds mucking them up What I do need is to be able to keep what I earn and stop paying for everyone else. As I told my piece of garbage congressman in SC when I lived there, "keep your hands OUT of MY pockets. Everything that resides there is mine!! NO ONE has a RIGHT to what I earn and only my wife can enjoy the rest!!!" THAT REALLY cracked up that meeting!! It sort of ended then. I would tell King Putz the 1st the same thing.
 

chefdennis

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No bush tried to reel in Fannie and Freddie and their practices and he was over ruled at least twice...this goes back to Johnson and his "great society"....thats where you will find the start of all of this B/S....the liberal welfare handout programs...The "entitlement programs" that the dems keep pushing so that they can have "just that much more control" over the people that live for their "share" that they feel they are entitled to....You know the advent of the "community organizers and they "fight for their share"..."stick it to the man"..."make the rich pay, they can afford it"...then add clinton and his " make over of the "welfare system"......and you have what we have today.....the start of the USA becoming a 3rd world banana republic......
 

chefdennis

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I am no fan of bushs domestic finanical policies or his spending, but you need to take a look at how the dems blocked his attempts to put more regulations on fannie and freddie...mccain used that as a election issue...the U tube vids show the hearings that the dems and the banking queen and sheila jackson fighting tooth and nail to keep the head of fannie safe and saying how fannie and freddie were doing just fine and there was nothing worng with them.....hell barrys buddies made millions while running fannie and freddie and including "dead fish rahm"......no bush made the attempts and the dems fought him each time.....
 

layoutshooter

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It is the CONGRESS!!!! They are responsible for domestic policy. This congress is more of a disgrace than any that I can remember. This president is a joke. Change my butt.
 
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