"Show Me Something Concrete....

chefdennis · Mar 22, 2009

In another thread Letzrockexpress used those words to kind of say that he needed to be shown what to do in these troubled times that we find our nation in. Well I have no idea if he is Ex-military, ex LE, ex firemen or national guard or has been or is in any branch of our countries military. Now that is not a shot at him or anyone, not everyone served and that doesn't mean a thing. But if any of you are in any of the positions I mentioned, you understand the oath we took,

To DEFEND the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC, so help me God.

for alot of us we don't think that oath ever expired, it certainly didn't just stop being true when we left whatever branch of service we were in.

So when you say "show me something concrete" maybe just making the oath a bit more relevant today is a good start...join with those that are organizing the silly "Tea Parties", band together with like minded people that some in our government think are domestic terrorist because they are Dems or Republicans oe they don't agree with our government....it starts my getting involved. my pet project it the 2A foundation, and I do what I can with them. find something that works for you.

The link i have put below was sent to me by a friend, maybe it is that Concrete something" that will help move some of us off center and then take a position and get active, get involved. If nothing else there is a bunch of good reading for old soldiers and young cadets, firemen and LEO's, command officers and enlisted men and women...but one thing they all have on common is the oath, and they see the need to be ready to live up to it even today with the current occupant of the White House being their issue..........

Thank you, enjoy:

Oath Keepers

greg334 · Mar 22, 2009

Why are the police taking oaths to the Constitution when they are not a federal agent and can not enforce most of the federal laws?

The same with Firefighters, they are not law enforcement at all, or are they?

There is a thing about this when I was in one of my poli sci classes and I don't remember the details of it but there is a clear distinction between the state and the federal government.

I think that Robert E. Lee said it clearly when he was asked to fight for the north "I shall never bear arms against the Union, but it may be necessary for me to carry a musket in the defense of my native state, Virginia, in which case I shall not prove recreant to my duty."

The oath to the state is rightfully above the oath to the Constitution for state employees, right?

chefdennis · Mar 22, 2009

Greg I think you are right as to the LEO and the firemen, in that their oath is to the State Constitution and not the US Constitution. I know that a fireman friend of mine in Colo. has a wallet can with their oath on it and on one side it staes something about a "firemen in peace time but a soldier when the need arises" or something to that extent....

But more then anything I think the site is about people coming together and knwoing there are other like minded people in this country. Hell there is a ROTC cadet on the site and a minor in some highschool military cadet program....again, I think it is about making the point of their belief in and willingness to defend our Constitution ans the fact that more and more people are getting quickly fed up with the political crap and the trashing of our Constitution and Bill of Rights.......The start of a movement that feels the need to be heard.........The key is, is anyone listening?!?!?

OntarioVanMan · Mar 23, 2009

I think there is a segment of the population that thinks the Constitution should be more flexible,pliable as one would say...They want government involvement, be it right or wrong.

And the there is the old guard that are not flexible, defenders of the faith...like most that post here....those that want the politics to go back 150 or so years when things started to go astray from the constitution....
Wasn't it Jeffereson that said the constitution wouldn't last? or a revolt every once and awhile...??

layoutshooter · Mar 23, 2009

Oath keeping is a way of life for me and should be for everyone. It was Jefferson that said that OVM. A man of honor keep his oath. I can not see ANYTHING that would ever force me to break my oath to Protect and Defend the Constitution. What a real shame that our so-called elected officials don't see it that way, BUT, most of the are NOT men of honor. Layoutshooter

OntarioVanMan · Mar 23, 2009

I agree about keeping an oath...
BUT it looks like some of the "New American" thinkers want to change the essence of the Constitution....to fit the "New America" being created by this admin.

greg334 · Mar 23, 2009

There is a difference between all three.

The immigrant is taking an oath to his/her new country, it is part of the process that has been established through diplomatic agreements.

The person who goes into civil service, the military and other federal obligations takes the oath to the constitution because they work for the federal government, not the state government and still it does not preclude their oath to their states.

The system is to work like this;

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The Federal Government.

chefdennis · Mar 23, 2009

Greg wrote:

The system is to work like this;

God

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People

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States

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The Federal Government.

Yeap, thats how it is suppose to be, but somewhere long ago it got all turned around and the people became to complacient and let the Fed become too big. Then the started turning to the State and Fed for what they were entitled to. Now we have a fed that thinks it needs to run the whole show and to hell with what anyone else thinks or says. Barry has none more in about 60 days to walk all over our Constitution and Bill of Rights then any president before him. And yes other presidents have contributed to this mess, but Barry has after surpassed them in a shorter time frame and he looks to do much more before he is stopped............Jefferson said that the founders gave us a constitutionally controlled Republic, it was up to us to keep it, we have done a pizz poor job, and its time that we make very effort to get it back............

letzrockexpress · Mar 23, 2009

greg334 said:
There is a thing about this when I was in one of my poli sci classes and I don't remember the details of it but there is a clear distinction between the state and the federal government.

I think that Robert E. Lee said it clearly when he was asked to fight for the north "I shall never bear arms against the Union, but it may be necessary for me to carry a musket in the defense of my native state, Virginia, in which case I shall not prove recreant to my duty."

That is why at the beginning of the Civil War, The original rebels were known as the Northern Virginia Regiment.

Chef,
I certainly respect your oath. I stated in an earlier post that I believe a man is only as good as his word. I think you misunderstood what I meant by show me something concrete.I was refering to not just b**tching about someting but doing something constructive to solve a problem or make a difference. Simply spewing or cutting and pasting what somebody else said or boasting about how much ammo you carry around isn't going to change anything.

chefdennis · Mar 23, 2009

Letzrock, 1st this thread wasn't put up directed at you persay, just that it offered something "Concrete" that some could get behind, it was not a shot at you in anyway. What you said is often said by alot of people that are frustrated about what is happening, but don't see away to get involved.

I totally agree, B*t#hing for the sake of b#t*hing doesn't do much. But has I have said in more then a few post, "no one knows" what another does to contribute." I have said in the past that the 2A Foundation is my pet project. In the past on one then one forum i have given a 1 yr membership away to that group once a month. Once a month I will give a membership away (i'll pay for it myself) to the 2A Foundation to anyone here that wants to become active and will work for the cause....the only qualifier is that if at all possible, you renew it when it expires and you contribute a real effort to help the fight to keep 2A one of the foundations of our country...

If anyone is interested, post here and I'll PM you....

As for cutting and pasting news articles, I do that for the news that they provide simply to share and make others aware of somethings they might not be aware of....(someone posted on HB 45 today, I posted an article on that months ago and there was some chat on it then, but it was posted again (and thats good) so even while i posted about it here, some didn't see it then) I am a news freak, I spend hours a day on the web reading news articles from all over the world. You can get more accurate info about what is going on in our homeland in the foreign press alot of times then you can get here in our MSM, so i post and i will continue to post articles as I find them...

As to "boosting" about how much ammo i carry, sorry, its not meant to boost, its also to inform, my making others aware that being ready when the time comes is something we all need to do and as the current ammo shortage shows, it was and still is a good plan, put in place by smarter people then me.. Oh and carrying a firearm in my CV while being in service would be against the policy of the company I lease with............and besides, 10,000 rounds of ammo takes up a bit of room, not something you are going to put under the seat........

Again, this thread was not put up as a shot at you in anyway, just as info for those that might want and be interested in something "Concrete" to get behind.........