Saddam Executed!

[greg334]

Saddam is dead, it took long enough but the US did not execute him, the Iraqi people did.

What bothers me is the fact that the lawyers for Saddam brought his case to the US, what an abuse of our consistution and insulting to the american people. To have a foreigner who has been tried and convicted under the laws of his country to even think of bringing his appeal to our shores shows the contempt of the world towards us and our laws.

I also think that the EU and Vatican should keep their mouth shut. For years the EU has been chasing war criminals and allowing israel to execute them, and the vatican looked the other way when those poor guy got executed at Nuremberg . The eu also thinks that Iraq signed some of the treaties that are in place to 'esure' human rights - the same treities I must add that have been in place for South Africa, Russia and Bosnia/Serbia.

Well the people of Iraq are happy!

 

[OntarioVanMan]

I don't get the legalese of all this but it doesn't really matter.

I guess since Saddam was in U.S. custody (like the ones held in Cuba) which he was turned over to the Iraqi government AFTER the trial. Gave his lawyers the right to appeal to the U.S courts.

Too bad it wasn't the Sunni's that excuted him instead of the es. This is going to erupt into another round of civil war and our troops will never get out of there.

 

[cheri1122]

As bad as Saddam was, I still say there is an inherent flaw in the logic of demonstrating the evil of killing people, by killing the guilty party.

 

[RichM]

When you kill the guilty party that party can no longer kill.

 

[highway star]

Yes, what Rich said. Talk about a poster boy for the death penalty...

 

[cheri1122]

Good point, Rich - so how come we don't castrate convicted rapists? Particularly the serial variety - talk about "poster boys"!

 

[RichM]

Castration would be fine with me. Years ago I worked with a Pakastani guy named Ed Aheeb. Nice guy,one day I asked him"do they really cut off hands and ears of criminals over there"? He replied "They do that plus more,you could drop your wallet in the street and go back 3 days later and it would still be there as people would be afraid to take it".

 

[Jayman]

During my military career, I was tasked to do a 3 month deployment to Saudi Arabia. (Not long after 9-11) Not many of us were allowed to leave PSAB (Prince Sultan Air Base) during the time we was there for obvious reasons. For those who had to go into Rhyiad on business, they were told to stay away from big public gatherings. When they did public executions or cut hands off...they liked to get westerners up front too see what it was like.

 

[cheri1122]

The biggest drawback to such harsh punishment, is the difficulty that arises when the guilty party is later proven to have been innocent, which happens with alarming frequency, even here in America - I'd bet it happens a LOT more in countries that aren't so mindful of civil rights. Even so, if it worked, (and I don't recall reading that Pakistan is crime free), I'd probably endorse it - except for the death penalty. Killing someone to demonstrate the wrong of killing someone will never make sense, to me.
I heard, many years ago, that the Supreme Court ruled that it's 'cruel & unusual punishment' to force prison inmates to work for their keep, and I could never make sense of that one, either.

 

[greg334]

Well for those who don’t think that executing someone is justified, I welcome you to take a trip to me to see Africa and Bosnia. If you never seen to a war zone or where mass killing takes place, hey you will know that this is the only recourse for crimes like this.

As for domestic executions, well I am all for that too. The problem of accountability is an issue, everyone cries for the 20 something kid who killed an entire family because he will get the needle and that is considered cruel but it isn’t – to take his life to equalize the lose of innocent life is justified and the state (country, state or what ever) has an obligation to make sure he pays for his crime. Locking him up, allowing him better food than a lot of people get, better medical care than most of us and to get educated while being 'punished' just ******* on the victims more.

Now the point I was trying to make with the objection of our courts being used for anything to affect a country that is not ours is a very bad thing for all of us. It does not matter if he was in our custody; he is on Iraqi soil and by all conventions it is not our place to be involved, which does not justify our courts involvement with an issue that has a path to follow for him. Their laws, their religion sets the guidelines and if we involved ourselves outside of keeping him safe and cozy for the hanging, we would be committing a crime against Islam.

And the last thing is that he, like many others got what they deserved. His family took part in all of this and they too should meet the same fate. The victims, the real victims are happy, the government of Iraq is happy and so should the entire world.

Oh by the way, the largest Arab population outside of the middle east, which is less than 8 miles away from me had parties going on today because of the hanging.

 

[LDB]

The death penalty isn't to show that it's wrong to kill, it's to properly punish an individual and perhaps deter at least some others of following suit. Unfortunately we don't have swift and certain punishment any longer and far too few executions compared to the number that should be executed. The three strike rule should be that the third felony conviction automatically receives a sentence of capital punishment. Nobody undeserving gets convicted of three felonies.

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[Jayman]

"Nobody undeserving gets convicted of three felonies."

Good point, Leo.

My question is this. If you dont use capitol punishment...what do you do to punish, deter, and generaly remove the sorts that commit such huge crimes against humanity?

Education is good, but you cant in my opinion play the pacifist role with such crimes. You can (as we do) implement programs that help disadvantaged people move ahead. But, to a large degree its up to the person to better themselves. So..what do you do?

 

[lanier1]

Good grief... Disadvantaged people??? Who exactly falls into that category? If you ask me its middleaged white males...

 

[nightcreacher]

public execution,televise it,if these murderers can see how you look hanging,they may have a second thought before they commit the crime.
I'm for castoration,cutting off fingers hands,talk about reality tv,now that would be better than Jerry Springer.

 

[letzrockexpress]

how about sodomy, ya know like deliverence style!!!make em' squeel!!!
s-q-u-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-elll!!!!!

 

[Tennesseahawk]

I have a solution for young criminals, especially gang members; but I think the stocks are considered cruel and unusual. I could see a set of stocks outside the Wayne County building in Detroit, right next to the Star of Detroit(the statue they put the Wings jersey on). Line up convicted gang members and let them sit in full view of the public (and their gang friends). Talk about being "dissed"!

"If I claim to be a wise man, it surely means that I don't know." - Kansas

 

[arkjarhead]

they have a cool video of sodamn insane gettin strung up on youtube.com they show his body drop and everything. that's the thing you must remember when it comes to killin. well in my own personal experience in the past i thought of it like this. all you are doing is killing thier body. you can't kill a man's soul. but everytime i've done that dirty deed for those greedy politicians in dc a piece of me did with those men i killed. sometimes i cry for thier families.Not saddams but the men those muslim clerics have brainwashed to hate us. i feel bad for those kids even though alot of them hate me for what i had to do at the time and i can't blame them. the bad thing about the death penalty is someone has to take thier life and it's not the judge who sentenced them. when you do the dark task of taking someones life even though it was always justified it bothers you. most people can't understand it. it hurts my heart sometimes to think of what i've done, and frankly i have no one to talk to about it. because i feel like a wimp for feeling bad about taking lives. so badly my wife doesn't even know i've killed. she asked me and i told her i worked in a mail room in kuwait. then i go to the truck stop and here guys bragging about doing it and they most likely haven't. i left half of my heart and soul on the streets of bagdad and fallujah. and i can never get it back. i wish someone could understand. but i still haven't found that person.

 

[Aviator]

Well, its you or them. I doubt seriously had the shoe been on the other foot, they would be sitting around the hootch feeling bad they killed the infidel.

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