President O'Biden

danthewolf00

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Are we talking about the same Trump who denied the virus in the first place? Called it a “Democrat hoax”? Said it would go away in no time? Refused to wear a mask? Caused a lot of sickness at his
“Spreader events”?


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You had a better chance of dieing of covid-19 in a Democrat run state than Republican and hyrocorquine the drug all the Democrats said would be bad for you because trump said it would help you.....yea I would rather have trump in office than that fool Biden.
Joe Biden while vice president told Ukraine to fire a prosecutor or lose a billion in aid money.
You had Hillary Clinton as secretary of state sell uranium one to Russia.....
You hate trump so much because they tell you to....but you never look at what your Democrat leadership does.
 
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You had a better chance of dieing of covid-19 in a Democrat run state than Republican and hyrocorquine the drug all the Democrats said would be bad for you because trump said it would help you.....yea I would rather have trump in office than that fool Biden.
Joe Biden while vice president told Ukraine to fire a prosecutor or lose a billion in aid money.
You had Hillary Clinton as secretary of state sell uranium one to Russia.....
You hate trump so much because they tell you to....but you never look at what your Democrat leadership does.
How many lives would have been saved had the Democrat controlled "news" complex and other political allies of the Dems not erroneously discredited hydroxychloroquine? It could have been widely used and helped infected people overcome the illness. But Trump hyped it so they had to be against it.
Doing so cost hundreds of thousands of lives at least.
 
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FWIW, the county I live in has been using high doses of hydroxychloroquine (and zinc) from the onset of people testing positive, and the hospitalizations and mortality rate is less than half of the rest of the state. Most of the doctors in the rest of the state started using it back last year. And it shows a significant difference.
 

RLENT

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How many lives would have been saved had the Democrat controlled "news" complex and other political allies of the Dems not erroneously discredited hydroxychloroquine? It could have been widely used and helped infected people overcome the illness.

No, it couldn't - largely because of inadequate supply initially - but then it was shown to be largely ineffective in terms of outcomes.

It is used to treat a number of auto-immune diseases (like lupus) and when Trump irresponsibly commented on it's potential use for COVID (based on anecdotal reports), huge numbers of idiots rushing to their doctor to get a 'script created such demand that the people that actually needed it - who had a disease that it was approved to treat - had trouble getting their prescriptions filled.

One of the idiots, an Arizona man - that listened to The Orange Idiot - ended up dying ... from a version of chloroquine used as a parasite treatment for aquarium fish that he and his wife took. That's real jenius ... with a capital J.

The drug has potentially significant, and possibly life-threatening, side effects, hence the withdrawal of the Emergency Use Authorization.

But Trump hyped it so they had to be against it.

Nope.

It's a matter of the science:

Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine during the COVID-19 pandemic

Doing so cost hundreds of thousands of lives at least.

Highly unlikely.
 
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No, it couldn't - largely because of inadequate supply initially - but then it was shown to be largely ineffective in terms of outcomes.
There was not an inadequate supply, initially or otherwise. There might have been, had it been determined that hydroxychloroquine were to be the primary therapeutic for covid, but that didn't happen. Hydroxychloroquine is cheap and easy to make, so ramping up production to meet demand was never an issue.

As for being shown to be largely ineffective, when used without zinc or with patients already on a respirator, it's not effective at all. But when used in high doses, along with zinc, and given early on after a positive test, it's shown to be very effective in reducing hospital admissions, need for respirators, and deaths.
It is used to treat a number of auto-immune diseases (like lupus) and when Trump irresponsibly commented on it's potential use for COVID (based on anecdotal reports), huge numbers of idiots rushing to their doctor to get a 'script created such demand that the people that actually needed it - who had a disease that it was approved to treat - had trouble getting their prescriptions filled.
For one, if it was based on anecdotal evidence, then commenting on its potential use for covid would not be irresponsible. Two, the supply and demand problem lasted about 2 weeks. 4 of the 8 hydroxychloroquine suppliers had adequate supply, and the 4 that didn't was able to ramp up supply to meet the demand.
One of the idiots, an Arizona man - that listened to The Orange Idiot - ended up dying ... from a version of chloroquine used as a parasite treatment for aquarium fish that he and his wife took. That's real jenius ... with a capital J.
That's Fake News. The Arizona man was unknowingly fed chloroquine phosphate poured into his soda by his wife. His wife initially said that she did it after listening to Trump, but it turns out she's an anti-Trump Democrat with a history of vitriol against Trump in particular and Republicans in general. Homicide detectives are still investigating.
The drug has potentially significant, and possibly life-threatening, side effects, hence the withdrawal of the Emergency Use Authorization.
"Hence" isn't the reason for withdrawal of the EUA. The known side effects was a factor, but not the primary factor. The EUA was specifically for use in hospitalized patients with advanced covid symptoms and based on the data they had at the time that hydroxychloroquine didn't have much of an effect on those patients, they removed the EUA.
 
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Those pesky facts.
And brain-dead easy to get at, too.

But some people prefer the Fake News to the facts. Some people still believe Russia paid the Taliban a bounty on US soldiers. Some people still believe that Trump called white supremacists in Charlottesville "fine people." Some people believe Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election. Some people even believe, to this day, that Trump always gets 2 scoops of ice cream and all of his guests are only allowed one scoop.
 

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Ohhh that cop that shot the lady in the Capitol building is being charged with murder.
More nonsense....


 

danthewolf00

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Both left wing news.....yea and both links are from April 14th.
where as I saw on the news today that he is being charged with murder.
 
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Ragman

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Both left wing news....

.yea and both links are from April 14th.
where as I saw on the news today that he is being charged with murder.
Care to share your source.
 
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Not likely to ever happen. No political courage to do the right thing.
 

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Not likely to ever happen. No political courage to do the right thing.
I dont know if its right or wrong, but the allegation was made he's being charged. I've seen nor heard anything about it.

According to who?
 
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I dont know if its right or wrong, but the allegation was made he's being charged. I've seen nor heard anything about it.

According to who?
Maybe being sued. If they would let the family know, after 7 months, the name of the person that caused her death.
 
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