On the mental disorder called liberalism

[AMonger]

P.J. O'Rourke is a dang genius. He knows how to cut through the fog to the crux of the matter. So how do we go about abolishing the political parties that give succor to liberals?

"Bill [Clinton] hates them [refugees] and fears them, especially the Cubans. Bill knows the Cubans are crazy. Only crazy people would flee from a country with free medical care, guaranteed employment for life, and first-rate gun control. The president and his sanctimonious twit of a wife have worked for decades to build a society like this, and here people are taking their lives in their hands to get away from it. ...

Let's face facts about our disgusting political opponents. We've been nice to the liberals for too long. They're thugs. The liberal dream is to control people, to oppress and exploit them for some "higher" goal. And how are the liberals ever going to be able to control people brave enough to sail to Florida in a rum carton? ...

A civilized society should no more tolerate the presence of a liberal than the presence of a member of the Ku Klux Klan. Indeed, it may be argued that liberalism is worse than the KKK, insofar as Klansman only hate some people while liberals hate them all."-- P. J. O'Rourke(1947- ) US humorist, journalist, & political commentatorSource: Age and Guile Beat Youth, Innocence, and a Bad Haircut (Atlantic Monthly Press 1995) p. 284-85

 

[cubansammich]

P.J. O'Rourke is a dang genius. He knows how to cut through the fog to the crux of the matter. So how do we go about abolishing the political parties that give succor to liberals?

"Bill [Clinton] hates them [refugees] and fears them, especially the Cubans. Bill knows the Cubans are crazy. Only crazy people would flee from a country with free medical care, guaranteed employment for life, and first-rate gun control. The president and his sanctimonious twit of a wife have worked for decades to build a society like this, and here people are taking their lives in their hands to get away from it. ...

Let's face facts about our disgusting political opponents. We've been nice to the liberals for too long. They're thugs. The liberal dream is to control people, to oppress and exploit them for some "higher" goal. And how are the liberals ever going to be able to control people brave enough to sail to Florida in a rum carton? ...

A civilized society should no more tolerate the presence of a liberal than the presence of a member of the Ku Klux Klan. Indeed, it may be argued that liberalism is worse than the KKK, insofar as Klansman only hate some people while liberals hate them all."-- P. J. O'Rourke(1947- ) US humorist, journalist, & political commentatorSource: Age and Guile Beat Youth, Innocence, and a Bad Haircut (Atlantic Monthly Press 1995) p. 284-85

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." Rick Santorum

Your man Rick knows the score.

 

[layoutshooter]

We have no liberals in our country, only conservatives and archconservatives, like Obama.

This Nation was found the the very liberal idea that the PEOPLE should control the government and that government should be small. It was found by radicals who believed in Mankinds ability to fend for themselves. ANOTHER idea that Obama the the archconservatives of today do not subscribe to. Today's archconservatives, who call themselves liberals, look at the People as pets who need cared for. They believe that only THEY would have control over the lives of the people. That is a very dangerous and evil way to think.

 

[cubansammich]

Let's face facts about our disgusting political opponents. We've been nice to the liberals for too long. They're thugs. The liberal dream is to control people, to oppress and exploit them for some "higher" goal. And how are the liberals ever going to be able to control people brave enough to sail to Florida in a rum carton?

Ah yes those controlling liberals. From this viewpoint I must surmise that you believe dictating who can and cannot marry or whether or not a pregnancy may be terminated is at the discretion of government, not the individuals. no oppression or exploitation for some higher goal there. It's merely freedom in action!

 

[Pilgrim]

There seem to be so many liberals who feel like freedom is their right to do or say whatever they want whenever they feel like it. Everyone else is supposed to go along with all this in the name of tolerance and compassion. However, this doesn't apply when Ann Coulter is invited to speak on a college campus or Rush Limbaugh voices his opinion on his radio show.

 

[AMonger]

Ah yes those controlling liberals. From this viewpoint I must surmise that you believe dictating who can and cannot marry or whether or not a pregnancy may be terminated is at the discretion of government, not the individuals. no oppression or exploitation for some higher goal there. It's merely freedom in action!

If that's your position, then you're endorsing the repeal of all laws, even for rape and murder.

 

[bobwg]

Ah yes those controlling liberals. From this viewpoint I must surmise that you believe dictating who can and cannot marry or whether or not a pregnancy may be terminated is at the discretion of government, not the individuals. no oppression or exploitation for some higher goal there. It's merely freedom in action!

I for one am against abortion except to save the life of mother, but I do not want a law to stop all abortions. I also dont want the GOvt paying for abortions or birth control

 

[Turtle]

They're thugs. The liberal dream is to control people, to oppress and exploit them for some "higher" goal.

The conservative dream is exactly the same. They say it's not, but the end result, nonetheless, is the control of people. Conservatives and liberals have the same goals, the only difference is the way they go about achieving them.

 

[AMonger]

I for one am against abortion except to save the life of mother, but I do not want a law to stop all abortions. I also dont want the GOvt paying for abortions or birth control

Then you're not against abortion.

 

[AMonger]

The conservative dream is exactly the same. They say it's not, but the end result, nonetheless, is the control of people. Conservatives and liberals have the same goals, the only difference is the way they go about achieving them.

Maybe you're onto something. Let's ditch both groups and be libertarians.

 

[aristotle]

The conservative dream is exactly the same. They say it's not, but the end result, nonetheless, is the control of people. Conservatives and liberals have the same goals, the only difference is the way they go about achieving them.

Can we agree that societies need government? To govern is to control. Government is the central controlling authority in our lives.

If it is widely agreed that government is necessary, the question becomes which philsophical approach to government should be dominant. In Western democracies, this struggle for dominance is fought between liberal-leaning citizens and conservative leaners. In absence of a better alternative, one or the other of these two main schools of thought will lead government action. We should be receptive to the possibility of a better idea. Anyone have a better idea that is practical enough to put forth?

 

[layoutshooter]

Can we agree that societies need government? To govern is to control. Government is the central controlling authority in our lives.

If it is widely agreed that government is necessary, the question becomes which philsophical approach to government should be dominant. In Western democracies, this struggle for dominance is fought between liberal-leaning citizens and conservative leaners. In absence of a better alternative, one or the other of these two main schools of thought will lead government action. We should be receptive to the possibility of a better idea. Anyone have a better idea that is practical enough to put forth?

Under the Constitution of the United State the PEOPLE control the government. The government is the SERVANT of the People. In EVERY case when the government is in control it becomes oppressive. The PEOPLE in the United State are the authority.

A central controlling authority is tyranny. The very idea is contrary to the principles that this Nation was founded on. That idea MUST be fought, just as it was in 1776.

To live under the thumb of a government is to be the slave of the same.

 

[Turtle]

Yes, the idea of a small, less controlling government that answers to the people, much like the government that was established by the Founding Fathers. A government that respects the personal liberties of the governed, a government that stays out of the way.

As Clint Eastwood apply noted following his "empty chair" skit, conservatives used to have the Libertarian values of small government, personal liberties and personal responsibility, but have long since moved from that base to a base of a large controlling government that subverts personal liberties, which by necessity requires less personal responsibility.

Conservatives and liberals alike are far more concerned with telling other people what to do, how to live, and what to think... and since they can't force their will onto society at large, they each want to use the courts and the government to do it for them. And each think their way is the right way, but they're both wrong.

No, I don't agree that a society needs to be governed, to be controlled, to be told what to do. That's not the government's job. That's society's job.

 

[aristotle]

I submit no modern society could exist without a functioning government. Try living in a world without government. No government is perfect, but is much preferrable to the law of the jungle. Every society I am aware of has some governing hierarchy in place. Every society, to my knowledge, has leadership in place. Moreover, I have no doubt every society has numerous complaints about its particular government and leadership. Man is a social animal. From ancient times, we come together to form small villages... and now great cities and nations. We come together to protect ourselves from those who would harm us. Human nature doesn't change.

 

[layoutshooter]

Governments world wide have murdered hundreds of millions of people in their quest to control. Uncontrolled government is evil, always has been, always will be. We see it here in this country now. The more the People either give up their control over the government or the government usurps the People's power, the more corrupt and oppressive it becomes.

It will soon, if not already, reach a point that when the People stand up and DEMAND their rights and their rightful power the the government WILL use what ever force they have to suppress the People. It is the nature of government that never changes.

 

[Turtle]

I submit no modern society could exist without a functioning government.

That's true. Every society, from a family unit to a small village to cities to countries all have some form of government leadership. The only variations on that theme is how repressive and power-hungry the governance is. The more power the governing have, the less liberties are to be found amongst the governed.

 

[21cExp]

The conservative dream is exactly the same. They say it's not, but the end result, nonetheless, is the control of people. Conservatives and liberals have the same goals, the only difference is the way they go about achieving them.

Yep...

 

[Humble2drive]

Yes, the idea of a small, less controlling government that answers to the people, much like the government that was established by the Founding Fathers. A government that respects the personal liberties of the governed, a government that stays out of the way.

Ahhh yes, hit the reset button.
Then how do you stop history from repeating itself???

 

[Turtle]

Ahhh yes, hit the reset button.
Then how do you stop history from repeating itself???

You don't. You can't.

 

[Pilgrim]

The political pendulum swings back and forth over the years, and hopefully reached the limit of its leftward swing in 2008 with the election of Barack Hussein Obama. However, Liberalism has infected the function of government and its influence on our society over the years, with the result being the deterioration of certain basic standards that made the American dream possible. The Heritage Foundation in their Morning Bell issue of Sept. 24th has listed several of these in an excellent article, and the GOP would do well to address these issues in not only the current campaign, but those of the future. Unless our society starts reversing the trends in these areas, our best days are behind us.

Statism: The modern administrative state entangles businesses in a suffocating web of regulations and laws. All of this red tape takes a toll on the economy, which in turn leads to fewer jobs being created. And fewer jobs means fewer opportunities for those most in need of jobs.

The Collapse of the Family: The decline of marriage, especially among the poor, has devastating, long-lasting consequences on children and their prospects for success. When it comes to the American Dream, the family is not a tangential social or religious issue; it is a crucial economic one that is deeply intertwined with mobility.

The Dependency Fostered by the Welfare State: Far from eradicating poverty, the welfare state traps people in poverty by discouraging work and undermining the family.

The Erosion of our Culture of Work: By legitimizing indolence and devaluing hard work, our culture decreases the likelihood that the poor, who are most in need of sound cultural indicators, will take advantage of the opportunities America continues to offer.

The Failures of Public Education: Our failing public schools deny countless children the rudimentary skills they need to move ahead in the life.

The Looming Fiscal Crisis: Unless we change course, continued massive government spending and the surging public debt will destroy the foundations of our economy and put the American Dream beyond the reach of our children and grandchildren.

Income Inequality or Lost Opportunity? What's Threatening the American Dream