Obama, Liar or Ignoramus???

[LDB]

"We will create 5 million new jobs" based on his claim regarding "going green" and "saving the planet". Now, is he that stupid that he doesn't know and nobody bothered to tell him these 5 million new jobs will come at the expense of about 12-14 million lost jobs or is he just a liar?

Yes, they will be "new" jobs in that they didn't exist before but what good does it do to create one job when it means losing more than 2 other jobs? Wouldn't we be better off keeping the 12-14 million current jobs and foregoing the 5 million "new" jobs? That means 7-9 million more people employed.

Koolaiders and apologists get busy defending the undefendable. The Fearless Leader isn't calling as Boris and Natasha are on the job but your foolish leader needs your help.

 

[FIS53]

I think the idea is that not quite that many will lose their jobs and the 5 million new will offset the 6-7 million lost. Thereby really having only a net loss of 2-3 million of which many will be able to gain part time employment as the demand from these new high paying jobs will create demand in the services industry which has short peak hours of business.

Further the new high paid workers will be able to have their spouse stay at home and thereby reduce the numbers of actual unemployed as they will no longer need a job and not be looking.

Now remember this is achieved through the fact that during this recession, cars cost less, houses cost less and of course a host of other things will also have price reductions (transport costs are down remember your paycheck?).

Now for a reality check, I think he has forgotten the fact that after the recovery goes into full gear, taxation will rise to cover the debt and help cover the overrun costs of all these municipal, state and federal projects employing all these over paid construction workers.
Rob

 

[Moot]

I think the idea is that not quite that many will lose their jobs and the 5 million new will offset the 6-7 million lost.

Makes sense to me even though I have some difficulty grasping the new math.

 

[Poorboy]

"We will create 5 million new jobs" based on his claim regarding "going green" and "saving the planet". Now, is he that stupid that he doesn't know and nobody bothered to tell him these 5 million new jobs will come at the expense of about 12-14 million lost jobs or is he just a liar?

Yes, they will be "new" jobs in that they didn't exist before but what good does it do to create one job when it means losing more than 2 other jobs? Wouldn't we be better off keeping the 12-14 million current jobs and foregoing the 5 million "new" jobs? That means 7-9 million more people employed.

Koolaiders and apologists get busy defending the undefendable. The Fearless Leader isn't calling as Boris and Natasha are on the job but your foolish leader needs your help.

He Is and Always Will Be "BOTH"

 

[LDB]

The most accurate assessment is by a Spaniard whose name I can't recall. His exhaustive research, including actual results from European nations, shows a loss of 2.3-2.4 jobs for each "new" job created. That means a net loss of 6-7 million jobs. Their wishful/hopeful thinking that spouses will stay at home etc. not withstanding it is a prime example of the man's failing.

 

[greg334]

Sorry but I still can't get a real job. If there were all these jobs being created, then where are they?

Like the road construction jobs that are created, the work is created not the openings because many projects are planned to use the workforce that is already in place within a company, not to wait for people to be hired and then trained to do the job.

As for green jobs, everything that is being talked about is already here, manufacturing, installation, repair - these jobs already exist and have thousands of people doing the work. Some media outlets have been talking about Solar Panel installers, solar panel installation is nothing new, a good roofing company can hire an electrician and that is all they need. A company that puts up communications towers can put up wind generators, nothing more is needed there.

Today the EPA has deemed COP2 as a hazard to human life, amazing that they can do that without real scientific evidence. Now Obama is moving ahead with Cap and Trade and many of us will be without work. CO2 by the way is needed for life.

 

[chefdennis]

Yeap Ohio's govenor is out in front on the job recreation deal with the Stimlus....he wants to use $57 million of the money ohio is getting towards "highway studies", but the construction won't be for a decade or so.......but hey at least they are keeping engineers and architects busy..........

Ohio wants $57M in stimulus for highway studies - Yahoo! Malaysia News

But hey, if and when the roads get built, they will employ construction companies with people that are already employed...

Oh, they are going to soend some money in Toledo and the Seaport...they are going to remove and install a few new cranes that are used to load and unload lake freighters.......think they will use inexperienced, untrained nonskilled labor to do that job??? I don't think so either.....no new jobs...just work for companies and employees that all ready exist.....lol and it ain't even new work, its been in the planning and the financing was in place, they are just going to use the barry handout now.....

 

[DougTravels]

Another Trolling thread MR. Kettle

 

[Yesteryear]

Yes, they will be "new" jobs in that they didn't exist before but what good does it do to create one job when it means losing more than 2 other jobs? Wouldn't we be better off keeping the 12-14 million current jobs and foregoing the 5 million "new" jobs? That means 7-9 million more people employed.
QUOTE]

That would make to much sense! Plus our "savior" then could not lay claim to the 5 million created jobs!

 

[flattop40]

So he will have a net loss of 2 million jobs. And thats a good thing? If I remember correctly his exact words were 4-5 million jobs created or PRESERVED. How can you track "SAVED" jobs. Its all political speak.

What happened to the good ol' days of Reagan who created 20 million jobs over his 8 years. They say Reaganomics won't work in a global economy. That is true if the powers that be have other goals in mind.