No Go Zones: really?

Pilgrim · Jan 21, 2015

davekc said:
I think it depends. For world news I usually will check BBC and for political stuff, often times it is Cspan because there is no commentary. For real news I watch Fox.

Fox News Special Report offers the best summation of news in a one hour program.

davekc · Jan 21, 2015

Pilgrim said:
Fox News Special Report offers the best summation of news in a one hour program.

Even though it is somewhat slanted on political stuff, it is pretty good.

RLENT · Jan 21, 2015

davekc said:
Even though it is somewhat slanted on political stuff, it is pretty good.

It's what I watch @ 18:00 if I am front of the tube.

Of course - like you - I realize it is somewhat slanted.

Some folks think its' gospel however ...

witness23 · Jan 22, 2015

LDB said:
As opposed to the same questions toward MSNBC et al?

So predictable. I'm surprised you didn't mention Fox's income, or Fox's viewership compared to MSNBC. Because we all know how important that is when comparing "news" agencies. Pathetic

witness23 · Jan 22, 2015

aristotle said:
CNN is a joke.

Who's talking about CNN? The thread started about a Fox News report of Paris' "No Go Zones" which turns out to be a total BS story.

CNN cannot compete for viewership with Fox News. The Nielson ratings show CNN consistently gets badly beaten in ratings. In the 1980's and 90's, CNN had practically no competition.

Whoop, there it is. I spoke too soon in my above post. Don't you get sick of defending Fox News?

There are no unbiased news channels because there are no unbiased people. Not on television nor in any other media outlet. It is much better for a bias to be announced than to pretend any thinking person is without bias.

You're so busy defending Fox News you totally miss the point. Bias is one thing, lazy journalism and blatant propaganda is another.

muttly · Jan 22, 2015

Someone must have brought out the Fox News hater dog whistle. Lol

witness23 · Jan 22, 2015

Pilgrim said:
Fox News Special Report offers the best summation of news in a one hour program.

Now if Bret would stop having Fox News celebrities as guests, it would be even better.

Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer (Special Report, 1/14/15) claimed that certain terrorist groups "have the small elements in the small no-go zones in Europe, especially in France. And that is the new territory of Islamism." Although host Bret Baier informed Krauthammer that the French government rejected the term "no-go zone," Krauthammer dismissively replied, "That's what they say," insisting these areas are "ruled by either gangsters or by Sharia and clerics" due to the lack of police.

Link

witness23 · Jan 22, 2015

muttly said:
Someone must have brought out the Fox News hater dog whistle. Lol

Fox brought out that whistle themselves and blew it.

muttly · Jan 22, 2015

witness23 said:
Fox brought out that whistle themselves and blew it.

Lol.......

witness23 · Jan 22, 2015

They blew that whistle a LOT:

Hannity (1/8/15):

Hannity, "Are the police also searching in these areas that we call the no-go zones, where non-Muslims are usually not allowed, not even police and fire departments, usually? Are those the areas that they're searching right now?"

Hannity (1/9/15):

Jihad Watch director Robert Spencer on these supposed "no-go areas": "Essentially, the police have no authority, the French state has no authority, and Islamic law prevails. These places are incubators!"

Fox & Friends (1/10/15):

Journalist Nolan Peterson claimed he "witnessed young men wearing Osama Bin Laden T-shirts" in one of these zones. (He would later issue a partial apology, claiming he was only describing his 2005 trip to Paris.)

Hannity, 1/12/15:

Nigel Farage, "We've got no-go zones in most of the big French cities."

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R), 1/20/2015:

Even after Fox apologized for propagating the myth of "no-go-zones" Bobby Jindal repeated the myth in a speech AND in an interview with CNN.
During a speech in London, "some immigrants are seeking to colonize western countries, because setting up your own enclave and demanding recognition of a no-go zone are exactly that." In an interview with CNN correspondent Max Foster in London, Jindal says he's heard, "from folks here" that "there are neighborhoods where women don't feel comfortable going in without veils" and "where police are less likely to go." Foster challenged Jindal's assertion, noting that, "I've lived here a long time, I don't know of any no-go zones for non-Muslims." In response, Jindal said "the radical left absolutely wants to pretend like this problem's not here."

The radical left? Friggen' hilarious.

And now Jindal is throwing Fox's favorite foreign ambassador under the bus. lol

Fox News' Your World with Neil Cavuto (1/21/15):

Cavuto, "the term "no-go zones was wrong. I mean we reported the same, and we were wrong, we botched it, we apologized for it, you are not, I take it." Jindal won't apologize and says, "there are neighborhoods in the U.K. and in France that have been documented, very well documented, by Ambassador Bolton and others."

The O'reilly Factor (1/9/15):

“Now, tell me about the no-go zones. Ten percent of the French population is now Muslim and they cluster — a lot of them do — in neighborhoods and French police are afraid to go in those neighborhoods? That’s the no-go zone?” Then O'reilly shows this map:

Now O'reilly is saying, "I didn’t have anything to do’ with no-go zone thing."

I ask again, don't you get sick of these huckster's lying to you?

muttly · Jan 22, 2015

Cave: CNN's Anderson Cooper Admits to CNN's Muslim 'No Go Zone' Cover Up - Breitbart

skyraider · Jan 22, 2015

Ragman said:
She sure is!

This is totally uncalled for, totally,,so, you are allowed to post this 50 more times....

witness23 · Jan 22, 2015

muttly said:
Cave: CNN's Anderson Cooper Admits to CNN's Muslim 'No Go Zone' Cover Up - Breitbart

And your point is...........?

paullud · Jan 22, 2015

Why do people even feel the need to point out that Fox News commentators are biased? Complaining about calling themselves fair and balanced? That's their marketing because they are in business just like any other media outlet. If you want to get worked up over misleading the American public then start picketing Pizza Hut and Dominos for convincing people that what they sell is pizza.

muttly · Jan 22, 2015

No-Go Zones Do Exist in England

Turtle · Jan 22, 2015

People feel the need to keep pointing out that Fox News commentators are biased because the legions of Fox News faithful keep claiming they're not. They even go as far as to use both fair and balanced in their argument, because they actually believe Fox News is both. If Fox News was a tangible consumer item, the FTC would have fined them and forced them to stop the false and misleading advertising.

As for pizza, unless you have a special definition for it, Pizza Hut and Domino's both do, in fact, sell pizza.

LDB · Jan 22, 2015

The problem may be that every news organization is biased, Fox toward the right and pretty much all the rest toward the left. If a -10/10 scale were used Fox would fall in a 3-5 range because they are biased toward the right. MSNBC et al would fall in a -7 - -8 range. It's a hard pill to swallow for those who want to believe in everyone but Fox. Now where is that Papa John's phone number.

paullud · Jan 22, 2015

LDB said:
The problem may be that every news organization is biased, Fox toward the right and pretty much all the rest toward the left. If a -10/10 scale were used Fox would fall in a 3-5 range because they are biased toward the right. MSNBC et al would fall in a -7 - -8 range. It's a hard pill to swallow for those who want to believe in everyone but Fox. Now where is that Papa John's phone number.

It would be pretty much impossible to have a political story relayed to you without some sort of spin one way or the other.

witness23 · Jan 23, 2015

muttly said:
No-Go Zones Do Exist in England

No they don't actually, I know you really, really want to believe they do but they don't. If you keep going to websites like breitbart I can totally see why you still think "no-go zones" actually exist even though Fox apologized for saying they do exist.

The reason for breitbarts article saying there are "no-go zones" is because of the words from the Chief Inspector of Constabulary, Tom Winsor in which breitbart quoted. We will have to take breitbarts word for it, because when you click on the link they supplied, you only get the first paragraph of the interview because you have to subscribe to The Times.

Chief Inspector of Constabulary Tom Winsor confirmed why police officers do not respond in some neighborhoods:

There are some communities born under other skies who will not involve the police at all. I am reluctant to name the communities in question, but there are communities from other cultures who would prefer to police themselves. There are cities in the Midlands where the police never go because they are never called. They never hear of any trouble because the community deals with that on its own. It’s not that the police are afraid to go into these areas or don’t want to go into those areas. But if the police don’t get calls for help then, of course, they won’t know what’s going on.

*emphasis mine

I doubt the above quote from the Chief Inspector of Constabulary will prove that there are "no-go zones" because like someone put it perfectly a while back:

The problem is a basic failure to understand what is read, the meanings of words, and even of what he writes. The problem is compounded when his misunderstandings are explained to him, and he still doesn't understand that he doesn't understand.

muttly · Jan 23, 2015

witness23 said:
No they don't actually, I know you really, really want to believe they do but they don't. If you keep going to websites like breitbart I can totally see why you still think "no-go zones" actually exist even though Fox apologized for saying they do exist.

The reason for breitbarts article saying there are "no-go zones" is because of the words from the Chief Inspector of Constabulary, Tom Winsor in which breitbart quoted. We will have to take breitbarts word for it, because when you click on the link they supplied, you only get the first paragraph of the interview because you have to subscribe to The Times.

Chief Inspector of Constabulary Tom Winsor confirmed why police officers do not respond in some neighborhoods:
*emphasis mine

I doubt the above quote from the Chief Inspector of Constabulary will prove that there are "no-go zones" because like someone put it perfectly a while back: