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asjssl

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Mormons are cult?? All religions are a cult!!

Cult- noun 1. a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.

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chefdennis

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Just can't get over it can you amonger..and yes it was talked about before.....i bet you are really frosted by the back stab of Rand huh...**** traitor... LOL...:D
 

Monty

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Wise men advise against talking politics and religion, and here we are mixing both!

Romney's religion is not important to me .. his politics are.
 

xiggi

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I wish as more christains were of the same character as the Mormons I have met.

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xiggi

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Nope raised catholic in the town Joseph Smith and his brother (Hyram I think) were killed.

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LDB

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This here wild dangerous unpredictable insane Mormon cult we're all afeared of, is this the one that wants every last one of us dead? Is this the one that has put a bounty on every one of our heads? Is this the one that flies airplanes into buildings to kill thousands of us at one time? That's the one cult that needs to be watched and worried over and quashed as much as possible. That's the one to keep away from the White House and government in all it's forms. We don't want any cult member in the WH alright.
 

AMonger

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Mormons are cult?? All religions are a cult!!

Cult- noun 1. a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.

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As has been pointed out several times over the last couple years, the modern definition is the one in play here. It's much like the word sodomy; it has a much broader definition over time, but today,everyone knows what definition is in play when someone says "sodomite." Same with "cult."
 

Turtle

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Nobody is saying Mormons aren't a cult. They are. But they aren't any different than all other religions, regardless of how ancient or modern the definition.

"They're doing it wrong" is not a definition of cult.

In another thread I listed every known accepted definition of cult, both old and hippy dippy, and asked you which definition applied to Mormonism. You didn't answer. You did list a few reasons why they are a cult, but none of those fell under any definition of cult. So, I'd love to know what this "modern" definition of cult is, and how it applies to Mormonism and not to other religions.
 

AMonger

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Cults redefine.
Cults frequently have special revelation extra scriptures, usually from the founder our controllers that add to scripture.
Cults frequently start with this special revelation, with unverifiable claims.
Cults claim apostolic succession/priesthood with divine revelation, so they claim to be conduits receiving direct messages from God to their followers.
Cults use that for monetary gain, and use that and their status overall for monetary gain.

I posted an article a few days ago that backed up my claims of their being a cult.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Cults redefine.
Cults frequently have special revelation extra scriptures, usually from the founder our controllers that add to scripture.
Cults frequently start with this special revelation, with unverifiable claims.
Cults claim apostolic succession/priesthood with divine revelation, so they claim to be conduits receiving direct messages from God to their followers.
Cults use that for monetary gain, and use that and their status overall for monetary gain.

I posted an article a few days ago that backed up my claims of their being a cult.

That applies to other religions as well....
 

asjssl

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Cults redefine.
Cults frequently have special revelation extra scriptures, usually from the founder our controllers that add to scripture.
Cults frequently start with this special revelation, with unverifiable claims.
Cults claim apostolic succession/priesthood with divine revelation, so they claim to be conduits receiving direct messages from God to their followers.
Cults use that for monetary gain, and use that and their status overall for monetary gain.

I posted an article a few days ago that backed up my claims of their being a cult.

Again ALL Religions are cults!!

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witness23

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That applies to other religions as well....

Yep, but out of curiosity which religions do you think applies to any of the definitions Amonger gave? Also, I think its important that everyone understand that Amonger is talking about Religious Cults, which should be obvious to everyone, some would rather argue semantics. :rolleyes:

Do this for us, take Amongers list above and place the religion that you think applies to the list.

I'll help you out:

Cults redefine. (or if you wil, false religions redefine):

1. Cults frequently have special revelation extra scriptures, usually from the founder our controllers that add to scripture. Mormons

2. Cults frequently start with this special revelation, with unverifiable claims. Mormons

3. Cults claim apostolic succession/priesthood with divine revelation, so they claim to be conduits receiving direct messages from God to their followers. Mormons

4. Cults use that for monetary gain, and use that and their status overall for monetary gain. This one is debatable and in my opinion isn't the sole reason the mormon church exists.
 

Monty

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Who among you feel that Romney's religion is a reason to return a communist to the White House?

Or returning a man that has such a great record of managing the economy. (Btw, imho, NO ONE can manage it, it happens by the efforts of individuals.)

May I suggest listening to the replay of Mark Levin's first hour from yesterday?

Mark Levin .... click on the replay from June 11th
 

AMonger

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Who among you feel that Romney's religion is a reason to return a communist to the White House?
No, the best man for the job, the only President who will take the right steps that might save America, is Ron Paul. If he's not going to win, then it doesn't matter who wins because America is done. But even under normal circumstances, a cultist is unacceptable. A Mormon, even though they're nice people, is no more acceptable than a communist.
May I suggest listening to the replay of Mark Levin's first hour from yesterday?
I can't take him in that big of a dose. About 15 minutes of Levin is all I can stand. You know, he claims he's a constitutional lawyer and expert, and criticizes Ron Paul, but Doctor Paul would absolutely spank Levin in a debate.
 

witness23

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Here's my problem with mormonism, don't try to legitimize your religion by claiming to be Christians when you don't believe what is written in the Bible about Jesus and who he was and is.

Yes, they believe Jesus is our Lord and Saviour but why?

Link: What is Mormonism? What do Mormons believe?
If you click on the link it will reference scripture and if you place your cursor on the refrence it will show you the text.

Question: "What is Mormonism? What do Mormons believe?"

Answer: The Mormon religion (Mormonism), whose followers are known as Mormons and Latter Day Saints (LDS), was founded less than two hundred years ago by a man named Joseph Smith. He claimed to have received a personal visit from God the Father and Jesus Christ who told him that all churches and their creeds were an abomination. Joseph Smith then set out to begin a brand-new religion that claims to be the “only true church on earth.” The problem with Mormonism is that it contradicts, modifies, and expands on the Bible. Christians have no reason to believe that the Bible is not true and adequate. To truly believe in and trust God means to believe in His Word, and all Scripture is inspired by God, which means it comes from Him (2 Timothy 3:16).

Mormons believe that there are in fact four sources of divinely inspired words, not just one: 1) The Bible “as far as it is translated correctly.” Which verses are considered incorrectly translated is not always made clear. 2) The Book of Mormon, which was “translated” by Smith and published in 1830. Smith claimed it is the “most correct book” on earth and that a person can get closer to God by following its precepts “than by any other book.” 3) The Doctrine and Covenants, containing a collection of modern revelations regarding the “Church of Jesus Christ as it has been restored.” 4) The Pearl of the Great Price, which is considered by Mormons to “clarify” doctrines and teachings that were lost from the Bible and adds its own information about the earth's creation.

Mormons believe the following about God: He has not always been the Supreme Being of the universe, but attained that status through righteous living and persistent effort. They believe God the Father has a “body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s.” Though abandoned by modern Mormon leaders, Brigham Young taught that Adam actually was God and the father of Jesus Christ. In contrast, Christians know this about God: there is only one true God (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6-8), He always has existed and always will exist (Deuteronomy 33:27; Psalm 90:2; 1 Timothy 1:17), and He was not created but is the Creator (Genesis 1, Psalm 24:1; Isaiah 37:16). He is perfect, and no one else is equal to Him (Psalm 86:8; Isaiah 40:25). God the Father is not a man, nor was He ever (Numbers 23:19; 1 Samuel 15:29; Hosea 11:9). He is Spirit (John 4:24), and Spirit is not made of flesh and bone (Luke 24:39).

Mormons believe that there are different levels or kingdoms in the afterlife: the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial kingdom, the telestial kingdom, and outer darkness. Where mankind will end up depends on what they believe and do in this life. In contrast, the Bible tells us that after death, we go to heaven or hell based on whether or not we had faith in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. To be absent from our bodies means, as believers, we are with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:6-8). Unbelievers are sent to hell or the place of the dead (Luke 16:22-23). When Jesus comes the second time, we will receive new bodies (1 Corinthians 15:50-54). There will be a new heaven and new earth for believers (Revelation 21:1), and unbelievers will be thrown into an everlasting lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15). There is no second chance for redemption after death (Hebrews 9:27).

Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus’ incarnation was the result of a physical relationship between God the Father and Mary. Mormons believe Jesus is a god, but that any human can also become a god. Mormonism teaches that salvation can be earned by a combination of faith and good works. Contrary to this, Christians historically have taught that no one can achieve the status of God—only He is holy (1 Samuel 2:2). We can only be made holy in God's sight through faith in Him (1 Corinthians 1:2). Jesus is the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16), is the only one ever to have lived a sinless, blameless life, and now has the highest place of honor in heaven (Hebrews 7:26). Jesus and God are one in essence, Jesus being the only One existing before physical birth (John 1:1-8; 8:56). Jesus gave Himself to us as a sacrifice, God raised Him from the dead, and one day everyone will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (Philippians 2:6-11). Jesus tells us it is impossible to get to heaven by our own works and that only by faith in Him is it possible (Matthew 19:26). We all deserve eternal punishment for our sins, but God's infinite love and grace have allowed us a way out. “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23).

Clearly, there is only one way to receive salvation and that is to know God and His Son, Jesus (John 17:3). It is not done by works, but by faith (Romans 1:17; 3:28). We can receive this gift no matter who we are or what we have done (Romans 3:22). “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).

Although Mormons are usually friendly, loving, and kind people, they are deceived by a false religion that distorts the nature of God, the Person of Jesus Christ, and the means of salvation.
 

witness23

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But even under normal circumstances, a cultist is unacceptable. A Mormon, even though they're nice people, is no more acceptable than a communist.

Yeah but those that are willing to give up their convictions and settle for the "lesser of two evils" are willing to compromise their beliefs and justify it somehow.
 
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