Looks like Israel is out in left field now.

Turtle

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This has got nothing to do with Obama. Israel brought this on their self.
 

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You're half right.


Better than normal then. How would you go about stopping arms, munitions etc from getting into Gaza? How would you go about stopping those 3000 missiles a year fired into Israel? Not the the government of Israel is one of my favorites, they are far from it, but how would you go about it?
 

Turtle

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Better than normal then. How would you go about stopping arms, munitions etc from getting into Gaza? How would you go about stopping those 3000 missiles a year fired into Israel? Not the the government of Israel is one of my favorites, they are far from it, but how would you go about it?
You're asking the way wrong person, because I would let Israel do whatever they want to do and would meddle in the affairs of Israel only to the same extent that I would allow the government of Israel meddle in our affairs.
 

layoutshooter

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You're asking the way wrong person, because I would let Israel do whatever they want to do and would meddle in the affairs of Israel only to the same extent that I would allow the government of Israel meddle in our affairs.

I see, would you do that world wide?
 

Turtle

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I see, would you do that world wide?
Well, how many other countries, and which ones, do you think should be able to meddle in our affairs? My answer is zero. The Golden Rules dictates that if you don't want it done to you, then don't do it to someone else, 'cause Karma is a bіtch. So, yes, worldwide.

If someone does something that starts effecting our security interests, then it's a de facto meddling in our affairs and that would have to be addressed, but other than that, they're a different country and can do whatever they want.
 

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Well, how many other countries, and which ones, do you think should be able to meddle in our affairs? My answer is zero. The Golden Rules dictates that if you don't want it done to you, then don't do it to someone else, 'cause Karma is a bіtch. So, yes, worldwide.

If someone does something that starts effecting our security interests, then it's a de facto meddling in our affairs and that would have to be addressed, but other than that, they're a different country and can do whatever they want.

SO, if Iran decides to nuke Israel, you would just let them? Just asking. Sounds a lot like you prefer some sort of limited isolationism, do you think that would work? What do you mean by "our security interests"? What is your definition of that?
 

layoutshooter

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Like why is Hamas a terrorist group to us?...because we back Israel? They are definitely a threat to Israel...and IF they control a country...doesn't that make them an enemy NOT terrorist....thought terrorist was a group operating within a country/countries..

Germany and Japan were our enemy...now with the new what seems definition they'd be labelled to-day a terrorist country..

Because they are the kind of scuz that would pull a 9/11 if they could. What do YOU consider a security threat to the U.S.? What is your defenition of that?
 

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Did you not ask that question of Turtle as well....??

Just because someone hates us, they are a risk? Heck the Amer. Indian hates us...

Yep, I asked Turtle, he has not had a chance to answer I guess. What is YOUR idea of a threat to our security?
 

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Right at this minute...I have no clue...well I might if my brain wasn't scrambled from just waking from nap and I am hungry...let me think on that.;)

YOU? Have to think about food? I thought that came natural to you!!! :p Besides, I thought your brain was always scrambled!! :D
 

Turtle

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SO, if Iran decides to nuke Israel, you would just let them? Just asking. Sounds a lot like you prefer some sort of limited isolationism, do you think that would work? What do you mean by "our security interests"? What is your definition of that?
My definition of "our security interests" is the same as yours, anything that threatens the safety and security of the United States, and the liberty of its citizens. I don't mean monetary interests of US corporations that operate on a multinational basis, either. Especially not that, actually.

If Iran decided to nuke Israel, would I let them? Well, one, Israel has their own nukes, they don't need me to protect Israel. But I would let Iran know that if they detonated a nuclear bomb that in any way might effect the safety and security of the United States, including any possible domino effect of them nuking Israel, that the entire country of Iran would be turned to glass in a brilliant flash. Karma works both ways.

Limited isolationism? In a way, yeah. I mean, it's like if you came over to my house, uninvited no less, and started telling me that I'm washing my dishes all wrong, that I should soak them first before I wash them. I don't think so. But that's exactly what we're doing to other countries, and we wouldn't stand for it from any other country, not for a second. Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. If you don't think it's right for other countries to stick their nose in our business, then how can it be right for us to stick our noses in theirs?

Ever seen a big dog trying to just lay there and sleep, but it keeps getting pestered by a puppy or a cat or something? We need to be the big dog, where we acknowledge the pesterer but raise our head and give it a "I'm not bothering your, but you're bothering me, so go back to minding your own business, or else" look. We swat at it a few times to further give them the message, and if they keep on then we rise up and give it really forceful "Hey! Stop it!" bark. If that doesn't get the message through, we chomp down, shake our heads in a powerful no, no, no, then toss it aside and lay back down. Anyone who sees that (including my niece) will not likely mess with us any time soon. :D It works with dogs, it works with people, it works with countries.
 

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OK, Turtle, I get where you are coming from. I too believe in that "Big Dog" thing. That is what I think we are missing with Obama in charge. He comes across as weak and is doing all he can to weaken the military and intell services. At least from my point of view. Weakness does not inspire fear or respect, just contempt.

What about North Korea? Assume for this argument that I am right about their working and training for a possible EMP attack on the United States. (I think I can prove that one) Would you launch a preemptive strike to remove that threat? Would you wait till that attack occurs to do something, assuming that you could after an EMP attack. I also believe that they are working with Iran on this. What would you do if you had solid evidence that they too were working on this? I believe that this is a VERY real threat, so do many in the military and a growing number of congressmen as well. What say you?
 
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